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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 08:47 PM Apr 2014

Is Racism Playing a Role in the Religious Right's Hostility to Neil deGrasse Tyson?

Is a bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods? Ya think?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/02/1289208/-Is-Racism-Playing-a-Role-in-the-Religious-Right-s-Hostility-to-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson

Neil deGrasse Tyson's willingness to clearly and plainly state on his TV show Cosmos that creationism is a myth has (predictably) upset Christian fundamentalists.

Moreover, in an era where conservatism is typified by anti-intellectualism, the howls of protest that Neil deGrasse Tyson would be dismissive of the fantastical and facile thinking which often hides under the false cover of "balance" and "fairness" in American political discourse, is another source of umbrage and raw offense for the Christian Right.

The hostility towards Neil deGrasse Tyson is more than a function of simple anger or rancor towards the scientific facts he deftly and calmly presents on Cosmos.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is not an empty vessel. Neil deGrasse Tyson is also not a blank slate devoid of identity or form. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a black man. His gender and his race occupy a specific location and context in American society.

As such, Neil deGrasse Tyson is not racially unmarked.

Blackness, masculinity, and being gendered as "male", channel a rich and complicated history of fear, loathing, desire, violence, fascination, disgust, envy, strength, labor, and violence (both as a subject and object), in the American racial imagination.

Neil deGrasse Tyson, as a black public intellectual and scientist, is located within that history

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Is Racism Playing a Role in the Religious Right's Hostility to Neil deGrasse Tyson? (Original Post) eridani Apr 2014 OP
No. Seeking Serenity Apr 2014 #1
They didn't like Carl Sagan either Calista241 Apr 2014 #2
Probably. Nt newfie11 Apr 2014 #3
Yes..very much so HipChick Apr 2014 #4
Religion Has Been Used For Millennium To Put People Down... So Yeah... WillyT Apr 2014 #5
i'm sure they don't like him because he is black but they are opposed to science in most cases JI7 Apr 2014 #6
I doubt it very much. Their problem with him is he violated one of their sacred beliefs. Autumn Apr 2014 #7
There's no doubt in my mind that it does indeed play a factor. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #8
Duh pscot Apr 2014 #9
I imagine they don't like him for a number of reasons gollygee Apr 2014 #10
+1 LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #15
Of course.... Bigmack Apr 2014 #11
Reading my mind again Bigmack. Enough that he's a handsome black man but damn, he had monmouth3 Apr 2014 #20
I would venture that their hatred for and fear of pangaia Apr 2014 #12
No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #13
The conservative religious right are anti-intellectual religious fanatics opposed to Agnosticsherbet Apr 2014 #14
No, it's rationalism vs. stupidity. Initech Apr 2014 #16
Not solely based on his race etherealtruth Apr 2014 #17
It's no different than Obama. He's Democrat and Black. That's more than they can take. Hoyt Apr 2014 #18
Two separate things. Iggo Apr 2014 #19
I would say yes. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #21
Their rejection of the science is unrelated to racism, but the *heat* tblue37 Apr 2014 #22
UNREC brooklynite Apr 2014 #23
I doubt it. 99Forever Apr 2014 #24

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
7. I doubt it very much. Their problem with him is he violated one of their sacred beliefs.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 08:58 PM
Apr 2014

That's what they can't handle. Their myth of creationism is a belief that must be true or it invalidates their entire faith.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
11. Of course....
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:11 PM
Apr 2014

... I'm just waiting for one of the RW critics to use the word "uppity".

Nothing worse - in their eyes - than an educated, erudite, popular black man.

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
20. Reading my mind again Bigmack. Enough that he's a handsome black man but damn, he had
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:22 AM
Apr 2014

to be so smart and popular. Must be killin' them...LOL..

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
12. I would venture that their hatred for and fear of
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:14 PM
Apr 2014

what he is saying is so strong, they have forgotten that he even is black.

On Edit.. Is Dr Tyson ..black?
Oh my. So he is. I hadn't even noticed.

I DID, however, notice is cool thumbs....

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
13. No
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:16 PM
Apr 2014

They are reality challenged. Most of them don't even know Bible wasn't compiled as one book until the Council of Nicea under Roman Emperor Constantine.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
14. The conservative religious right are anti-intellectual religious fanatics opposed to
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:20 PM
Apr 2014

anything that runs counter to biblical literalism. Race hasn't anything to do with that.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
16. No, it's rationalism vs. stupidity.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:28 PM
Apr 2014

On DirecTV there are 16, repeat 16 religious channels and all of them represent Christianity and Chrishtian denominations. Cosmos is one hour a night. Let us have that without infecting it with anti evolution nonsense!

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
17. Not solely based on his race
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:49 PM
Apr 2014

.... the right wing nut jobs ARE racist scum ... but they also are the folk that have brought us 'creationism' .... and other idiocy.


Neil deGrasse Tyson is the black man pointing out that they are imbeciles

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. It's no different than Obama. He's Democrat and Black. That's more than they can take.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:58 PM
Apr 2014

Hatred Overload.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
19. Two separate things.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:51 AM
Apr 2014

They'd hate his blackness no matter what he did for a living, even if they'd never heard of him before. So sure, yeah, they hate him because he's black. That's their default position.

On the other hand, there's the Cosmos thing. That's got everything doing with the emperor having no clothes. They don't like when you point that out. Doesn't matter if you're black, white, or green. You tell 'em their fairy tales are bullshit, they get a little cranky.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
21. I would say yes.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:36 AM
Apr 2014

And it's not just racism - it's the fact that he is brilliant as well. The racist elements of the religious right cannot accept that this supposedly in their eyes "inferior" man is smarter than 10 of them combined . Combine that with the devastating crushing of creationism and the constant reminders that the church has held science back and the religious right is howling louder than Georgia after Sherman's March.

Music to my ears!

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
22. Their rejection of the science is unrelated to racism, but the *heat*
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:43 AM
Apr 2014

of their reaction is probably very much influenced by fury over hearing their "absolute truths" rejected by what they must consider to be an "uppity" black man.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
23. UNREC
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:45 AM
Apr 2014

The OP and the supporting article offer no evidence of Black animus, other that vague speculation that conservatives naturally hate Blacks, so it must be the case here.

We KNOW they're opposed to COSMOS because of its scientific facts; why waste time trying to find an unnecessary and unsupported alternative hypothesis?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
24. I doubt it.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:47 AM
Apr 2014

Not that racism might not add to the hate, but what "good christians" hate more than anything, is facts that show their BS for what it is.

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