Father Leaves Baby Locked in Car for 8 Hours (No Arrest)

[MrScorpio]

I'll clue you in, he looked nothing like this:



http://www.blacknews.com/news/shanesha-taylor-mom-arrested-left-kids-car-job-interview101.html#.U0LhsVy-YjI

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. Well ...

there ARE important differences in the two cases ...

He merely absent-mindedly forgot his kid; whereas, she was homeless and left her kid in the car to attend a job interview.

Besides, he did it in Seatle (WA); whereas, she did it in Chandler (AZ).

And, finally ... well ... you know!

[NOLALady]

3. +1000

[Heidi]

11. Parenting Poorly While White.

That this is not offensive shows how little we as a culture care for our non-white children.

[Baitball Blogger]

2. Our justice system is more color-blind

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than blind.

Yeah, that's what I meant to say.

[LittleBlue]

4. That's crazy

8 hours? He should definitely be charged

[Boom Sound 416]

5. So one case should justify the other?

[TBF]

6. I think you're missing

the point.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. Pointing out disparities in White/Black treatment under the law ...

is now, "Playing the Race Card?"

Please don't let the next words typed by you be:

It's all Sharpton and Jackson's fault ... If they weren't running around stir up things, racism would go away.

Thank you in advance.

[Boom Sound 416]

16. Is that what happened with these two cases

Is that why they are connected? Are they connected?

And if so are they the standard barer for the this country?

[CreekDog]

66. you like that term "race card"

would you like us to not talk about racism? or just when you say it's ok?

[azurnoir]

14. simple fact the woman left her kids in the only home they had

as they were living in the car at the time this happened, but I guess the fact that she tried to do what was nessacry to change that is more offensive to some than that they were reduced to this in the first place

[Boom Sound 416]

21. All seriousness aside

Just because home is where you hang your hat, doesn't exempt you.

But I do truly feel for the woman. She made a mistake. She got arrested. It sucks.

Hopefully some blessing will come from this.

[stg81]

28. she didn't make a mistake

she was forced into a desperate situation

[Hip_Flask]

22. If I offered you $30,000 (entry level salary) to bake your kids at 100+ degrees for an hour or so...

... would you do it? Are there some circumstances where you might consider it ethical to do so?

It's the exact same thing. Her homelessness has nothing to do with it and is certainly not an excuse or an explantion.

[azurnoir]

24. apparently your not getting it they were living in the car the kids would have been there

anyway, what the woman was attempting to do was change that circumstance

[Hip_Flask]

27. I get it exactly...

She decided that the benefits ($$ and increased standard of living) was worth the cost (two children cooked at 100+ degrees for an hour or so.)

apparently your not getting it they were living in the car the kids would have been there anyway

So, are you saying it's ok to leave the, in the car because that's where they would have been anyhow?

[stg81]

29. so it's 100 degrees in Washington state in March?????!!!!!

you need a geography refresher

try 50 degrees, overcast with light showers

[Hip_Flask]

46. I was referring to the woman in Scottsdale...

... Arizona


Try to keep up...

[azurnoir]

51. it seems you have more problem with the woman interviewing for a job than that they lived in the car

I have more problem with the fact that the car was their only home

[Hip_Flask]

56. My problem is that she...

cooked her children for money

One was more important...

[azurnoir]

58. so if she had been in the car with them it would have been okay

wow just wow but hey there are places where could go far with claiming a homeless Black women was cooking her kids for money oddly I never felt DU was one of them

[Hip_Flask]

59. I never thought this was a place...

... That would excuse child abuse for financial betterment.

It's not a nebulous claim but a statement of fact about well documented events.

[azurnoir]

63. wow again just wow in reality it seems you're condemning this woman for being homeless

no matter how you wish to cloak that, otherwise your comments make very little sense

she was not being paid to leave her kids there, she had no other choice

[azurnoir]

52. This happened in Scottsdale Az on 3/20/14 the high tempature that day was 83°

not 100° your claiming

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/scottsdale-az/85251/march-weather/331798

[tammywammy]

53. Per the police report

The interior of the car was 100, it was parked in the direct sunlight, hot air was blowing inside (the blower was on, but not the air conditioning), and the car was unlocked and the keys in the ignition.

In 83 degree weather in direct sunlight the interior of a vehicle will certainly reach 100 degree easily, especially since they said the children were in the car for 30 minutes before someone noticed and called the police.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/childrenandcars/pages/unattend-hotcars.htm

When the outside temperature is 83° F, even with the window rolled down 2 inches, the temperature inside the car can reach 109° F in only 15 minutes.

[Hip_Flask]

55. Thanks...

Saved me the trouble...

[azurnoir]

57. so you too have less problem with the fact the car was this families only home

but will freely condemn the mother for attempting to get a job and change the families circumstances

it would have been 100° in that car regardless of the mothers presence

[tammywammy]

60. I like that you assume things I've never said.

It's amusing when people do that.

What I'm correcting is the thought that "well, it's only 83 outside". 83 is still deadly.

[azurnoir]

62. Then exactly what was your point?

oh wait you just adding information

[CreekDog]

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[TBF]

17. Oh I see - she's in a different

state so that's ok. It would have nothing at all to do with the color of her skin. Not to mention the fact that she left the kids alone for much less time. But that's different because she's in a different state? Really?


To trivialize discrimination by calling it "playing the race card" is despicable AFAIC.

[Boom Sound 416]

20. Being from Florida

It's pretty ingrained to is you don't leave ANYTHING in the car. Ever.

Having spent a fair amount of time in az, I can half say it's pretty ingrained there too.

Did I get this wrong. The other guy was in Washington state? Different culture. I think I also said it wasn't a mitigating circumstance.

On edit: I talking about climate

[TBF]

44. In Texas too -

yet people do it. Every year I see a story or two like this (or pets in sweltering cars), and inevitably a toddler or two wander out and drown in suburban swimming pools. Accidents happen.

As a parent I have some sympathy for folks just being busy and forgetting - it really could happen to any of us on a bad day.

But it should be a situation where we think "how can we help these people". Especially someone going to a job interview. I would think even a republican would be in favor of someone getting job??

If she is thrown in jail than we are paying for her incarceration & for her child to be put in the foster care system. I'd much rather pay for a few hours of babysitting and get that poor woman a job so she can support herself. She was trying to do the right thing.

[Hip_Flask]

7. They're both terrible...

It doesn't have to be one or the other...

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. True ...

But one was immediately punished; whereas, the other was not ... I think that's the point of the OP.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. Thankfully, all of the children are OK.

I can almost sympathize with the mother who left her kids so she should go to a job interview, but it's still something she should not have done. However, I do not understand how anyone can just absentmindedly "forget" that they have a baby in the car with them. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. They should both be charged.

[Nye Bevan]

9. Well, this mom was arrested and jailed for doing that.

A Florida mom left her two toddlers in her freezing cold car for two hours so she could get drunk at a bar, police said.

Cheryn Scaggs, 30, allegedly abandoned her kids — ages 1 and 4 — so she could "drink heavily" at the Shotz sports bar in DeBary between midnight and 2 a.m. on Monday.

Bar staff realized the children were asleep in the vehicle, which had been left in the parking lot, after she asked for help in getting home. They called the cops, who arrested Scaggs and contacted her brother James Cox to come and pick up the girls.

She is currently jailed on $10,000 bond

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/drunk-mom-left-kids-freezing-car-cops-article-1.1280703

Sorry to screw up the narrative that you have going, but not everything is about race.

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. So ...

leaving her kids in car for two hours so she could get drunk at a bar, is equal to a homeless woman leaving her kid in a car to attend a job interview?

Wow!

[gollygee]

23. It's completely parallel!

Right?

/sarcasm

I don't know what to think, if that was posted to prove the disparity wasn't racially motivated. Now I'm left with, "If you're white, in order to get arrested for leaving your kids in the car, it has to be after midnight at a bar while you're getting drunk."

[LisaL]

68. Yes, it is.

It doesn't matter why the kids are left in the car if the caregiver knowingly leaves them in a car.
Kids could die just the same.

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Yeah, Okay. eom.

[TBF]

19. Let's try an actual comparison -

show us a white male who has been jailed for the same crime. I'm sure you can find one.

[Comrade Grumpy]

26. It does happen. Here you go:

http://www.wave3.com/story/18852296/father-arrested-for-leaving-kids-in-car-speaks-to-wave-3-from-behind-bars

I have to say, though, it was a bit more difficult than I thought. I had to get through several black and brown guys busted for it before I found a white guy. And the white guy looks young and poor.

[TBF]

42. And even w/this guy -

the story says he left the kids with his girl friend & then she left them to use the restroom.

Not that what they did was great, but when he left the car there was an adult with the 2 children.

I wish as a society we would put energy into things like providing child care for folks who are poor so they can go to a job interview rather than locking them up. You'd think if we really wanted to lift people up we would provide these kinds of services.

[Politicalboi]

12. These parents lack emotion

I would be shitting my pants and crying my eyes out that my kid was alive. In Ca about 20 years ago a similar story, but with a worse ending. A father who usually never takes the baby to child care forgot about the baby that summer morning. The mother went to pick the baby up, but it wasn't there. They called the father at work, and then they found the dead baby who had been sitting in the car for 8 hours on a hot sunny day. Even the mother here doesn't seem to be emotional. I hope CPS is looking into these "adults".

[davidpdx]

31. I've always said there are certain people who should choose not to be parents

Not all people are fit or capable of raising kids for different reasons. Granted the choice is theirs, I'm just saying that some should put more thought into it before having children.

Personally for me it's not the lack of responsibility, but it is a question of whether I would be a good parent overall. I've always been inclined to answer no.

[Politicalboi]

37. I think I would have been a good parent

Even though I never had or wanted any. I like nieces and nephews. They visit on weekends, and you get to spoil them, and then say good-bye till next time. LOL! The father I wrote about I believe didn't get arrested either, but that was in the 90's. His wife put the baby in the car, and told him earlier to take the baby to childcare, and he just forgot.

[davidpdx]

69. I feel the same way

I have a niece and a nephew. My niece is already in her second year of college. My nephew is only about 2, so I still have plenty of time to spoil him. I live in South Korea and the older people are so health conscience. So I keep telling them I'm going to take him out for a hamburger when he's old enough, get him hooked on Coke-cola, bring him back a t-shirt with an American flag. I only see him a few times a year as my wife's sister lives a south of us. I enjoy chasing him around the room, but once he starts getting grumpy and tired all bets are off.

[riderinthestorm]

39. Yup, those parents who forget their children for hours til they're discovered dead in the car?

They NEVER get charged.

This woman?

Busted.

Could the cops have shown ANY mercy here? Like they do with those parents who kill their own kids by FORGETTING them??!!

[tammywammy]

41. Parents do get charged though.

Living in the DFW area, every summer I hear news stories of people that left children in a hot car. Frequently they do get charged.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=parent+charged+after+leaving+child+in+hot+car&gbv=2&oq=parent+charged+after+leaving+child+in+hot+car&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3...484.6732.0.6810.49.13.0.28.0.0.374.2075.2-4j3.7.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..43.6.1825.T38p3WD79Xo

[riderinthestorm]

43. Thanks for the link. Just scanning that page only 2 sets of those parents were charged

out of the 5 or so stories on the front page.

So I'm definitely wrong

However, from scanning those stories its interesting that clearly the cops have leeway and don't charge everyone. It just underscores the point in the OP. I guess it just makes me mad this woman was charged when the cops might have shown some mercy.

Sucks all around.

[tammywammy]

47. Honestly, I think it's because one was in Washington and the other Arizona

The vehicle in Arizona was already 100 degrees inside - parked in direct sunlight and the car was blowing hot air inside. In Washington, I doubt that the interior of the vehicle was that hot.

Living here, you hear all summer long about how dangerous it is to leave children or pets inside a car.

[mnhtnbb]

25. That poor baby didn't even have on any socks--and just a hoodie.

If they don't file charges against the dad, it will be unbelievable.
It had to be very cold in that car in a Seattle garage.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. More food for thought here:

http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2010-Feature-Writing

Very thought-provoking article about how and why people forget about their kids in cars.

[hedgehog]

32. Thank you for posting this article.

[LuckyLib]

45. Best piece I have ever read on this issue. This is what

good journalism does. Makes you think. Thanks for posting this.

[lumberjack_jeff]

33. Low expectations.

He definitely needs to be charged. He's no less culpable and responsible for shitty parenting as any mom.

Not charging this guy is a manifestation of benevolent sexism. e.g. "You can hardly punish the guy for being an absentminded doofus."

[Comrade Grumpy]

34. Why do we want to make everything a crime, anyway?

Was there criminal intent in either of these cases? Sometimes people forget, sometimes people have reasons.

I get creeped out by the punisher impulse so evident in our country and even on this board.

[Nye Bevan]

35. Man arrested for leaving two boys, 2 and 4, alone in hot car

HOUSTON—A Cypress man was arrested after he left two small boys alone in a car during dangerous heat conditions Thursday afternoon, according to court documents.

Janusz Tadeusz Frankowski, 59, was charged with abandoning a child.

Witnesses called police after spotting two boys, ages 4 and 2, alone in the car outside of a Dollar Tree store in the 26000 block of the Northwest Freeway around 1:40 p.m.

Police said the car had no air conditioning running and temperatures were extremely high.

When Frankowski walked out of the store, police were waiting.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Man-arrested-for-leaving-two-boys-2-and-4-alone-in-hot-car-219960381.html

[oldandhappy]

36. I need to stop reading this stuff or I need to go to law school.

Nasty.

[Indydem]

38. As the father of a 20 month old who often is silent back there.

I am eternally vigilant making sure that I never leave him anywhere like this on accident.

But accidents do happen, especially when routines change or things are out of the ordinary.

There but for the grace of God go I.

How about a little compassion instead of so much hate?

[Orrex]

40. If he'd parked 900 miles off the coast of Mexico, they'd have sent a Destroyer to the rescue.

Next time.

Next time.

[REP]

64. And praised him for being so adventurous and living life

[exboyfil]

48. A man in Indiana left his daughter

in the car to cook to death. He got 20 years probation.

http://www.wbiw.com/state/archive/2013/11/father-sentenced-to-20-years-probation-in-death-of-his-infant.php

Nice quote:

The Greenfield Daily Reporter reports Crane found that sending Stryzinski to jail would serve no purpose. Crane says there's no worse punishment than what Stryzinski already is experiencing.

The girl was left alone in an SUV for two hours in July 2012 while the temperature inside reached 119.

So being a fool so self absorbed in your life gets you a pass where as a desperate woman is held to a much higher standard. She should have just said she forgot the kids were in the car.

[exboyfil]

49. Here is another one in Indiana

Sentenced to 3 years but served two days for leaving her child to cook in a hot car. The child survived but was injured.

Rescuers broke into an SUV outside a Fishers store to pull out a 19-month-old, with temperatures reaching 105 degrees outside, she would go into seizures. Her mother, Meg Trueblood, left her in the closed up car for an hour while she shopped. The child survived.

Eleven months later the case is closed and she plead guilty but mentally ill to criminal recklessness with serious bodily injury.

She got the maximum sentence - three years - but only served two days behind bars. Is that enough penalty to deter future child in car cases?

http://www.wthr.com/story/22536612/sentences-about-balance-in-cases-of-kids-left-in-hot-cars

[exboyfil]

50. 2001 case in Iowa

A hospital CEO found not guilty in a bench trial for forgetting her kid who died.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92943

[Nye Bevan]

54. Police: Hot day, kids left in car; Derry woman charged

DERRY — A Derry mother is facing charges after police said she left two toddlers inside a sweltering vehicle outside Walmart Tuesday afternoon.

“The current temperature was in the mid-90s and the vehicle was parked in the unshaded parking lot with its windows open less than one inch,” Capt. Vernon Thomas said. “Officers noted that the children appeared to be in distress due to the temperature in the vehicle. They were crying, sweating, and had a red color to their faces.”

According to witnesses, Marie Dennis’ children had been in the vehicle for about 20 minutes.

Dennis, 33, of 42 Pond Road, was arraigned in Derry District Court Wednesday morning on two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of endangering the welfare of a child, and resisting arrest.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130627/NEWS03/130629321/0/NEWS07

[Inkfreak]

61. I'm just glad I don't have kids. I constantly leave shit behind. (nt)

[LisaL]

67. She knew she was leaving kids in the car.

While the guy claims he didn't realize it.
So that makes a difference.
Not everything is about race.