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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:41 AM Apr 2014

#BREAKING: All victims expected to survive school stabbing

NOT GUNS.

Patients were sent to Forbes Regional Hospital, Allegheny General Hospital and University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Presbyterian. Four of the victims were airlifted to area hospitals, Seven patients are suffering from life-threatening injuries, although they are expected to survive their injuries.


http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Multiple-People-Injured-in-High-School-Stabbing-254519961.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_PHBrand

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#BREAKING: All victims expected to survive school stabbing (Original Post) kpete Apr 2014 OP
That's great news! Jim__ Apr 2014 #1
The mental injuries these kids suffer will be long lasting oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #2
No guns = no death BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #3
That is not at all a given dickthegrouch Apr 2014 #9
Firepower matters. backscatter712 Apr 2014 #10
Probably not that many...but very likely SOME. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #14
Except of course, that is not true. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #11
+1 Go Vols Apr 2014 #17
how do you know that no guns might not = bombs? KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19
So by your logic BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #20
It's actually not funny. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #24
Good news! MoonRiver Apr 2014 #4
Someone brought a knife to a mass shooting ? eppur_se_muova Apr 2014 #5
Sure beats having 20 kids laid out in a morgue Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #6
Yes. There is no argument guns can cause a lot more death a lot faster. treestar Apr 2014 #7
Absolutely. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #15
how can it be barbtries Apr 2014 #8
Their guns are more important than our kids. Heidi Apr 2014 #13
yeah. barbtries Apr 2014 #16
+1. They'll deny it, but it's the truth. (nt) Paladin Apr 2014 #18
Nobody is stopping anyone from non-gun control measures to stop gun violence. beevul Apr 2014 #22
If a gun had been involved, things would have been worse... perdita9 Apr 2014 #12
That's great news! Sissyk Apr 2014 #21
A bit of good news to accompany the tragedy n/t etherealtruth Apr 2014 #23
 

oneofthe99

(712 posts)
2. The mental injuries these kids suffer will be long lasting
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:47 AM
Apr 2014

I hope the school and state has the proper counseling in place to address this.

Great news though that no lives were lost during the attack.

dickthegrouch

(3,184 posts)
9. That is not at all a given
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:16 PM
Apr 2014

The preferred method of murder in the UK is stabbing since guns are so hard to obtain.

There is no correlation between lethality or lack thereof between guns and knives. The only thing going for the victim when a knife is used is that assailant is in closer proximity and risks getting hurt themselves.

I would make it my goal to get assailant blood on me for the authorities to perform every test known to identify said miscreant if I were attacked. Even if it takes 30 years for my attacker to resurface, that's 30 years they've had to be looking over their shoulder and waiting for the inevitable.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
10. Firepower matters.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:27 PM
Apr 2014

Yes I know, Thank You Captain Obvious, but it's easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a knife.

So far (could change later), it's zero fatalities.

If the psycho had a gun, chances are good there would be over a dozen fatalities.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
14. Probably not that many...but very likely SOME.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 03:05 PM
Apr 2014

About one in five victims of deliberately-inflicted gunshot wounds dies (excluding suicides, for obvious reasons). That would make for 4 or 5 deaths, depending on what the number of people stabbed turns out to be (and assuming all else stayed the same, which is unlikely). Definitely a lot smaller chance of fatal wounds with a knife, since the kid is unlikely to have been trained with knives* and he had to get within arm's reach.

It's a lot harder to kill with a knife than with a gun, not because guns are necessarily more inherently lethal, but because you have to get close and you have to know what you're doing. Guns require skill, too...but are far, far easier to become at least marginally competent with.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Except of course, that is not true.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:38 PM
Apr 2014

There have been mass stabbings/slashing that resulted in multiple fatalities. We are fortunate that is not the case today.

Guns are a force multiplier, no doubt about that. But try not to dance too much in the blood of these victims over a political point, that is not an absolute as you offered it.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
20. So by your logic
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 04:10 PM
Apr 2014

We should do nothing about the rampant gun violence in this country because someone might use a bomb instead?

OMG BOMBZ!!!!!!!!!!!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
24. It's actually not funny.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:46 PM
Apr 2014

Highest body count from a school attack in the US was via a bomb, not guns.

That said, I agree insofar as it is not a reason to not regulate guns. There are LOTS of good reasons to regulate guns. Just like there are reasons to regulate dynamite, which, one might fairly assume to have a correlation to the lack of use of dynamite in school bombings since that aforementioned attack.

eppur_se_muova

(36,290 posts)
5. Someone brought a knife to a mass shooting ?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:15 PM
Apr 2014

That's not doing it right. Damn those restrictive gun laws !

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Sure beats having 20 kids laid out in a morgue
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:20 PM
Apr 2014

which would probably be the case had a gun been used.

This was an absolutely horrible thing, but it shows just how much worse these crimes are when a gun is involved.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
15. Absolutely.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 03:07 PM
Apr 2014

Guns aren't necessarily more innately lethal than knives, at least in terms of the wounds they can make. But guns have range, and guns are much easier to learn to use effectively. So glad this kid had only a knife (and I assume no training on how to fight with one).

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
8. how can it be
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:33 PM
Apr 2014

that the NRA and their flock continue to ignore reality, and they run the country?
it makes me sad.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
22. Nobody is stopping anyone from non-gun control measures to stop gun violence.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 04:32 PM
Apr 2014

Nobody is stopping anyone from non-gun control measures to stop gun violence.

You guys just aren't interested in them.

The only people that think that "guns are more important than our kids" are the people that see only one versus the other.

And that isn't the pro-gun folks, its the "more gun control" folks.

It is an irrefutable truth.

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
12. If a gun had been involved, things would have been worse...
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:14 PM
Apr 2014

...For one thing, the NRA would be fundraising off the tragedy

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