Oh man, this is gonna be big! Saw it on Wingnut friend's FB page

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

OUT...OF....CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!! Unreal!!!!!!

America's Freedom Fighters
BLM Rangers Brought in From Out of State for Nevada Ranch ‘Emergency’!

Armed Rangers were brought in from out of state by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to assist in security surrounding the Bundy Ranch, according to the family.
A heated confrontation on Wednesday resulted in Cliven Bundy’s son Ammon being tasered by BLM officials and a 57-year-old protester being shoved to the ground.

Stetsy Bundy Cox, Cliven’s daughter, told the Washington Free Beacon that some of the rangers had Oregon and California license plates.

“You know, some of these guys don’t even know why they’re here,” she said. “A few people have talked to them and they got called in here on an emergency feed and they didn’t know what it was for, it just said they had to be here.”

“They’re almost like a hired gun,” Cox said. “Because what they’re supposed to do is they each have a road, and are told to stay on that road, and they’re supposed to keep people off that road, whatever means possible. That’s their job. They don’t even know how many cows have been gathered.”

The BLM did not respond to requests for comment by press time.

Cox said she spoke with an out-of-state Ranger who was ashamed of his job.

“I actually went and talked to one, he was in the back, nobody was even talking to him. He didn’t say much,” she said. “He had a huge big gun on him, but he didn’t really even touch his gun.”

“I asked him, ‘What are you doing? Do you know what you’re doing? You’re stealing an old man’s cattle, his livelihood. He’s a poor man that doesn’t have anything,’” she said. “And I said, ‘You’re pushing baby cows’—I watched a baby cow not want to move and a helicopter swoop down and honk at him till he had to move.”

Cox said the Ranger said, “No, no, we don’t want that.”

“But I saw it,” she said.

“‘Well, well,’ and he goes, ‘I don’t even want to be here. Do you think my grandfather’s proud of me? You think I like this? You think this is fun for me?’”

“Then what are you doing here?” Cox asked him.

“He said, ‘It’s my job.’”

As of Wednesday, 352 cattle have been removed from the public land ranched by the Bundy family for more than a century. An estimated 200 armed officialshave surrounded the ranch, the culmination of a dispute dating 20 years over “grazing fees” and the protection of the “desert tortoise.”

In a statement Wednesday evening, the BLM and the National Park Service said safety “remains the number one priority for the operation.”

“In recent days, some peaceful protests have crossed into illegal activity, including blocking vehicles associated with the gather, impeding cattle movement, and making direct and overt threats to government employees,” the agencies said. “These isolated actions that have jeopardized the safety of individuals have been responded to with appropriate law enforcement actions.”

“Today, a BLM truck driven by a non-law enforcement civilian employee assisting with gather operations was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck’s exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle,” they said. “A police dog was also kicked. Law enforcement officers attempting to protect the civilian federal employee from the attack were also threatened and assaulted. After multiple requests and ample verbal warnings, law enforcement officers deployed tasers on a protestor.”

The Bundy family posted a statement online that the Wednesday confrontation began after members of the family were taking pictures on an unmarked road of “helicopters running Bundy cattle to death.”

“When we saw the BLM start to surround them we knew they needed our help so we didn’t have a repeat of what happened to Dave Bundy,” they said, referencing their other son’s arrest on Sunday. “We didn’t go there to start a fight we went to stand for our rights, video what was happening and protect those boys and gentlemen.”

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/04/11/blm-rangers-brought-in-from-out-of-state-for-nevada-ranch-emergency/

[WhiteTara]

1. Good. The desert needs a rest from the profits of one man.

Cattle are very destructive and once they are gone for a few years, the desert will have its own blossoming.

And btw Rangers, Thanks for acting in the defense of the common good over the profits of one man.

[FSogol]

2. Seriously. He's been using govt lands w/o paying the ridiculously low fee for 20 years.

Put his ass in jail.

[WhiteTara]

3. Take the cattle for back payments.

edited to add:
And then send the meat to the food banks to feed the poor.

[MO_Moderate]

4. "It's my job"

Same thing the officers in NY and Oakland said.

[leftyohiolib]

18. it's the current version of "i vas only following my orders"

that being said why are his cows on public land?

[MO_Moderate]

27. Don't know. I don't have all the info

I've seen where it was his family's land until they took it when the dumb tortoise showed up, and I've seen where people say it was always leased.
Either way, I don't think these 'martial law' tactics are the best way to handle these situations.

[leftyohiolib]

36. THIS IS WHY MARTIAL LAW TATICS ARE BEING USED

Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Descend On Nevada To Help Rancher Defy Court Order

[MO_Moderate]

37. You've got it backwards

The militias didn't start caring until AFTER the martial law tactics were used.

[leftyohiolib]

38. it's because of this reaction by the local redneckery that martial law tactics ARE being used

the militias would have done that anyway-so the feds send in a large force to fend off this kind of thing rather than let a small contingency get overrun by a local mob.

[MO_Moderate]

39. local redneckery? local mob?

First, the lack of concern for the rights of our fellow Americans is sad. Basing this lack of concern on their race and politics is even sadder.
Second, it was a small number of protestors, not some local mob. Things have escalated because the authorities were not happy with the way things were going.
Third, since when do we agree with intimidation and abuse as a reaction because somebody in the future would have done that anyway?

[eShirl]

42. What rights are those? Specifically.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

50. Apparently the right to defy court orders for 15 years.

Which everyone has. It's amendment #29

[siligut]

59. The rights of the religious extremists to defy the federal government, of course.

The Bundy saga follows a familiar plot, so I did a little more digging in order to clarify which anti-government group is involved.
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The dispute between Bundy and the federal government dates to 1993, when land managers cited concern for the federally protected tortoise and capped his herd at 150 animals on a 250-square-mile rangeland allotment. Officials later revoked Bundy’s grazing rights completely.
Cannon said Bundy racked up more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees over the years while disregarding several court orders to remove his animals.
Bundy estimates the unpaid fees total about $300,000. He notes that his Mormon family’s 19th century melon farm and ranch operation in surrounding areas predates creation of the BLM in 1946.
Since the cattle roundup began Saturday, there has been one arrest.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/04/10/us-sen-heller-joins-critics-of-federal-cattle-roundup

It appears that Bundy believes his ancestral inheritance includes not only land his family claimed but the surrounding area as well.

If you follow the above link, please note that U.S. Sen. Heller is also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormons must view Harry Reid as a traitor for actually doing his job as a U.S. Senator, in this case.

Just a few obvious Mormon tactics in use here: calling-in support/militia members from other states, seeking public support for their cause with web pages and well-edited videos, claiming the government action is really just a personal grudge and that the government is overstepping its bounds, and other general skewing of information, if not just plain lies.

Here is the folksy little video, complete with folksy music, Carol Bundy narrates. Go to Youtube and read the comments to discover that Harry Reid and Eric Holder are behind this 'grudge' to steal Bundy's land.

[TroglodyteScholar]

80. Thank you

[MohRokTah]

83. They STOLE the soundtrack

Soundtrack was stolen from They Call Me Trinity and Trinity is Still My Name.

[upaloopa]

5. I've heard two sides of this story.

I heard that the rancher owes for grazing cattle on public land.
If so why not negotiate why kill and endanger the cattle. It they needed to be moved it should be done on horseback with the safety of the cattle in mind.
We say not to go to war first but to talk. That is what I think should be done here.
I lived in open range cattle country five years ago. We had a small ranch. The cattlemen operated under rules that were really tradition. I don't think there were actual written laws maybe there was. But they had been ranching there for over a hundred years after moving the indigenous people to reservations or outright murdering them. It is a long story I won't go in to here but I think this BLM roundup is being handled all wrong.

[FSogol]

7. I'll tell the BLM to relocate his herd to your property.

They can graze in your yard for free for the next 20 years while he enriches himself at the expense of the environment and your property.

[upaloopa]

10. Your reply doesn't even reflect what I said.

I think you are so full of hate you think I sided with the rancher. I said negotiate and move the cattle with horses that is all I said.
Get a clue!

[FSogol]

16. I have zero hate. You said to negotiate with the rancher.

What do you think all of the court cases with this rancher have been about? He is ignoring laws he doesn't want to obey to enrich himself. This has been going on for 20 years!

[upaloopa]

20. Moving the cattle by helicopter is wrong

Bringing in armed rangers is wrong.
Negotiate let the rancher pay up or move the cattle on horse back. There are hundreds of people who own horses who gladly volunteer to move cows. It is really lots of fun .
You need to understand that way of life to get the correct outcome. A bunch of people from the city using force just isn't right.

[FSogol]

21. The rancher already refused to pay up or move the cattle despite court orders.

Bringing in Federal agents and moving cattle is the last resort, not the first resort. It is occurring after 20 years of problems. 20 years!

As for your second point, I doubt it is much fun for the environment and endangered turtles.

[upaloopa]

24. It isn't the last resort.

You can move the cattle a better way. In spite of your justfied stand it isn't really smart.

[The Magistrate]

25. Indeed, Sir: At This Point Enforcement Is the Only Option Remaining

[malaise]

41. You are way too patient

[ancianita]

85. What do you call not responding to BLM's communications to move off the land for 15 years?

Do you call this negotiating? I don't think you can pin this lack of talk on the BLM. They tried for 15 years. It's the rancher here who refused to talk. Now he's getting pushed around. He brought this upon himself.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

22. Do you know how often helicopters are used to herd cattle?

ALL. THE. TIME.

[FSogol]

26. Gene Autry and Roy Rogers never used a helicopter!

[Lasher]

40. Oh yeah, what about Sky King?

OK, the Songbird was a twin engine Cessna but that's close enough. Neener.

[Lint Head]

65. Also, if one were to watch Gene's movies in total, he would be on the side of the law.

[upaloopa]

28. Yes I do

It isn't good. It scares the cattle and some die by being trampled or exhaustion.
I doubt it matters to you.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

29. Why did you say: "I doubt it matters to you." What indication have I

ever given to deserve such an insult - and from someone I have (until now) respected?

I have lived in Texas cattle country nearly all my life. Stating what I know to be true is NOT an endorsement of the practice.

*******

[upaloopa]

30. Ok my mistake I apologize.

It seems the replys to this OP and the one yesterday are not very well thought out. Like the cattlemen are a bunch of people deserving of none of our sympathy yet on the other hand they all want their steaks.

[NutmegYankee]

47. Rural people and farmers are often maligned on DU

I even remember one DUer made the statement that rural people have lower IQs. My own thoughts are that many people who choose to live in the countryside do so because they are introverts. Much of DU is urban/suburban and it is widely recognized that many rural districts vote republican. What upsets me is the vote can often be 60-40, which still means that 40% of the vote is blue. And yet that is completely ignored.

As for the rancher who is the topic of this discussion, he was given plenty of notice and chances to come to an equitable agreement. He chose to remain obstinate. Given that the government has to protect the ecology of their lands (our lands) and this rancher never paid any fee for use of the land to fund maintenance, the government has had to crack down hard. If persuasion and courts don't do it, eventually the billy club is the last option.

[ancianita]

87. This is not what's going on here. We're talking about one case.If cattlemen respect the law they pay

their grazing rights bills. Period. I hope you're not trying to say that Bundy is a representative example of how cattlemen don't respect paying their grazing rights bills, that there should be national sympathy for those who've not paid $1.5 million in back land rents. Seriously?

It sounds as if you're concocting a big victim narrative around this man who has turned out to be a squatter in spite of 15 years of the government's proven patience with him.

[eShirl]

43. "after moving the indigenous people to reservations or outright murdering them"

interesting!

I admit, I haven't been following this story, so I have some catching up to do.

[TransitJohn]

52. After 20 years of talking, what do you want the BLM to do? eom

n/t

[intaglio]

60. The rancher himself reckons he owes $300,000

And the order to remove his cattle has been in place for nearly 20 years.

He has been given more than enough rope ...

[hedgehog]

6. It's not his land, it's OUR land!

[Archae]

8. Far-right nutcase website with dubious "sources."

Their "religion" section is full of far-right "Christian" propaganda.

[jwirr]

9. What a bunch of lies the protesters and the Bundy family are telling to justify steeling public land

that belongs to all of us. No one is killing cattle - they are moving them. The supposedly "poor old man" has 900 cattle on our land that he and his family have rented for dirt cheap. Now he does not want to pay for at it all and he has not obeyed environmental laws which any farmer will tell you are important on fragile lands. The rangers who have been brought in are costing the taxpayers a fortune because this greedy old man wants to steel our land. The BLM should send him a bill. It is time for him to get his cows and their calves off public land - land that belongs to all of us.

[Keefer]

13. Cattle ARE being killed

This also has to do with protecting the desert tortoise.

[jwirr]

14. Environment.

[FSogol]

19. Hamburgers

[snappyturtle]

88. The BLM could give two hoots about the turtles. It is closing the

Desert Turtle Conservation Center for lack of funds (milking land developers and builders,now gone due to housing downturn) and instead paying out three million dollars to evict Bundy. ???? Really.Of course, the BLM has an adopt a turtle program...one (male) per family....we don't want them mating!

http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo.html

Desert Tortoise Conservation Center
The Desert Tortoise Conservation Center was established in 1990 to receive wild tortoises in harm’s way from development. The Center has taken in unwanted pets tortoises since 1996 in the Las Vegas area. The Center is scheduled to close in December 2014 due to funding issues. All healthy tortoises at the Center will be relocated to sites that will support the recovery of the species. Healthy tortoises will not be euthanized.

Interested in adopting a desert tortoise?

[OilemFirchen]

11. Helicopters have horns?

Anyway:

You’re stealing an old man’s cattle, his livelihood. He’s a poor man that doesn’t have anything...

---

As of Wednesday, 352 cattle have been removed...

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

12. My friend is a gun nut and several of her friends are holding guns...

in their profile pictures, both men and women.

She won't accept that Obama has expanded gun rights because, you know, because there's one thing he wants to do: take their guns. My guess is next time the BLM comes around, the militia will be waiting for them on Little Bighorn.


qualifier: when I say friend, I mean someone I "met" online on a sports forum during the Bush Adm when Republicans her age didn't follow politics.

[JoePhilly]

34. So they don't want to register their guns because then the government knows they have them ...

... and then in their profile pictures, they show off the same guns they say don't want the government to know about.

Genius!!!!



For fun, as seriously as you can, ask them if they are against registering their guns. When they say yes, make sure to ask why. They'll tell you they don't want to be on a government list of gun owners and the government could use it to come round them up, and take their guns.

And that's when you point out the various pictures that they've posted on public websites, showing off the same guns.

Then, enjoy their exploding heads.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

35. bookmarked for the perfect opportunity

[rustydog]

15. Yep, true blue-blooded GOOBERS coming to the defense of a Goober

who refused to pay his rent on the land his cattle were grazing on.

Apparently, Goobers hate welfare recipients, and low-life food stamp recipients...but it is ok for a fellow Goober to refuse to pay a really small nominal fee (rent) to use taxpayer-owned land to graze upon. He is refusing to pay rent on OUR land. and he is pissed because he is being evicted for not paying rent!

And his Goober, gun-toting friends don't see the hypocrisy. Shit they can't spell it, how would they recognize it?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

17. OMG that's perfect. I'm going to borrow some of that when I reply

replied:
Now there's a Welfare Queen! Using tax-payer owned property and not paying a nominal rent fee. No wonder you're outraged; you are intolerant of Welfare Queens!!!

Let's see how long it takes for her to notice, then delete it

[SoCalDem]

23. "... public land ranched by the Bundy family for more than a century..."

public land says most of what needs to be said..

If you are allowed to use public land, you must abide by the public rules. If you do not OWN the land, your "rights" are limited.

This family had a great streak of luck for a century and their luck has apparently run out..

[upaloopa]

31. If you are interested in humane treatment of cattle

google Temple Grandin

[Wellstone ruled]

32. This think has been brewing for years.

This is typical of the local mindset. Government bad,free Government grazing good. My Great Grandfather Ranched this area therefore it is mine. After all this is the state of Deseret as claimed by Brother Brigham in 1847. These TeaBillie Birchers are so out of touch. Used to hike this area,just gave up after running into some of these family bumpkins,talk about backassward. They are running on stupid. BTW,this whole area is a eco disaster. Most of the Native plants are gone and they aren't coming back. Cattle browse on the Mesquite Bush and other invasive species that haven't any control. It's going to take decades for this area to recover if at all. All or most of the native grass that the Desert Tortoise needs to survive has been ruined by grazing cattle.

The BLM folks in that area are just trying to preserve something for the future. All of Rethug folks do their best to defund any reclamation projects the BLM tries to do.

[2naSalit]

33. Media bias exposed...

Cattle trespass operation made dangerous by media coverage

Right wing outcry brings milita. Violence?

It’s difficult to find news stories that stick to the issue of the 21 years Cliven Bundy has been in violation of the laws governing American public lands. The lone rancher trying to save his cattle from the “govmnt” is just too good a theme. Then too, they don’t have to investigate the issue. Just report what Mr. Bundy says and give it more play than those enforcing the law. Ignore those happy to see the cattle go from these hot desert lands. It is easy to cover a story this way.

None seem to have investigated Bundy’s claim that all the other ranchers in the county are out of business — that he is the last — or that those that did quit, truly did so because of government regulations. None have investigated his claim that his family has been grazing area since the 1870s, or the matter of his alleged water rights. None have looked at his total ranch operation. He appears often in the news with an old truck, but some say he has aircraft.

----SNIP-----

There seems to be no media interest in the tortoises, which many wrongly call “turtles.” They discount them. None have investigated what the cattle have done of other desert wildlife, the outdoor recreation, or the Lake Mead National Recreation area on which the cattle often tread.

Bundy has leveraged his allotment closing buyout money into a no grazing fee, no property tax, 19th century open range operation about five times the original size. Without investigation, this is being ignored and the subject changed.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/04/11/cattle-trespass-operation-made-dangerous-by-media-coverage/

[Lasher]

67. It's easy to sell people what they already want to believe.

But here is truth from the BLM website:

2014 Impoundment

Cattle have been in illegal trespass on Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service public lands in Southern Nevada for more than two decades. This is unfair to the thousands of other ranchers who graze in compliance with federal laws and regulations throughout the west. We have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. We are now moving forward with our partners to impound the unauthorized livestock.

Only a small portion of the northern and eastern part of the park may be temporarily closed. If additional closures are needed for public safety, they will be for a very limited time. We're making every effort to minimize the impacts so not to interfere with the public's enjoyment of the park.

http://www.nps.gov/lake/parknews/2014impoundment.htm

Interesting links there, but probably not much that's sensational enough to sell a bunch of newspapers. For that we need the creative journalism you appropriately bemoan.

[2naSalit]

90. Sad but true.

I have had an eye on this case since it began 21 years ago, I was wondering if this would ever become an actual action or if the feds would try to wait for this clown to keel over and cease to exist and then go get rid of the cattle. Guess it's the former. Glad I am a good day's drive away from that mess. And I mean mess only because of the shit-stirring by the media.

It really is a matter of doing the people's business but the RWNJ cabal isn't having any of that. They want a civil war by golly and here's their perfect opportunity to start one, and that governor in NV is only helping stir the shit, asshole that he is.

[DiverDave]

44. What rights?

He stole from us and our decedents, he has thumbed his nose at laws.
"You’re stealing an old man’s cattle, his livelihood. He’s a poor man that doesn’t have anything"

Oh, cry me a river, poor man my ass.

Last question(s): why not treat them like Occupy? where are the beat downs? where are the tasings, the mass arrests?
The god damned pepper spray in the face?

I say send in nypd, they'll clean it up...

I hope I don't need the sarcasm thing

[onethatcares]

46. can you photoshop

the cop pepperspraying cattle? I would but don't know how

[DiverDave]

48. The CATTLE??

It aint their fault.

Huh, now I think of it, THEY are the masterminds! They wandered onto federal property.
It isn't the ranchers fault they didn't do what he told them...

Classic.

[eShirl]

49. we stole it from the Native Americans fair and square!

[Bandit]

58. The French stole it and we purchased it from the French.

[Wounded Bear]

62. Actually, in this case I believe it was the Spanish...

followed by the Mexicans. Then us.

[Desert805]

72. The French claimed it

We bought the claim, then we "settled" it kinda.

[politicat]

92. That territory was acquired via the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 from Mexico.

There were multiple things going on (various wars, land claims) but one of the reasons for the specific purchase to include what became the Utah Territory was to bring the Deseret colony under some effective control, since having a theocratic kingdom (that was going through its own fairly bloody Reformation) with a history of armed combat and counterfeiting on the western or northern border was about as attractive then as now.

Neither Mexico nor the US really wanted to take on the task, but the US was slightly better equipped to do so (the crossing from St Louis to SLC is tough, as anyone who has driven across I80 can attest, but it's an infinitely easier crossing than from Mexico City to SLC. The south to north route has both a distinct lack of water and navigable water ways. The east to west has somewhat more surface water, several more or less navigable rivers, and while the Continential Divide is no picnic, it's slightly less spectacularly fatal than running out of water in the Mojave.) Some of the subtext of the writings around that treaty make it sound like the diplomatic negotiations considered the colony to be more concession than prize, or "fine, you can have Colorado and California for $15M, but you have to take the desert and the Mormons, too."

[treestar]

68. It's not the city

A crowd in the city and these wide open spaces will have very different results.

[DiverDave]

91. Oh, I guess I do need the sarcasm thing

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

45. I gave them some perspective last night...

Last edited Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Want to see what a police state REALLY looks like? And this will be good for y'all to see what you'll be up against when you decide to go "full militia" on the state. I was in the middle of this NATO summit protest in Chicago in 2012. None of us were armed. But this is what the city of Chicago unleashed on us.

Perspective is everything.








https://www.google.com/search?q=2012+nato+summit+police+chicago&tbm=isch&cad=h

[TroglodyteScholar]

84. Perspective indeed! n/t

[beachbum bob]

51. bundy is a selfish SOB who is willing to risk lioves

hate to see it come down to this but the law is the law. This property is NOT his and if he doesn't want to pay the fees, GTFO it. Confiscation of the cattle his Bundy's doing and if you are willing to do the crime best be willing to pay the dime.

rightwingers are taking up a call of arms...nice....about time they get a little govt love.

[antiquie]

53. Note when he quit paying his fees.

Clinton took office.

[Paladin]

54. Appearances are everything.

Conservatives never tire of ranting about welfare cheats, food stamp recipients, and other assorted "takers," when they're located in urban areas and they have dark complexions. But if it's an old white guy with a cowboy hat, a guy who looks like he stepped out of a John Ford western, a guy who's decided to skip 20 years of requisite grazing fees on federal acreage because freedom, well hey---time to break out the assault rifles. It must be the righteous thing to do, because Sean Hannity, Matt Drudge and Charlie Daniels say so.

[MohRokTah]

55. A rightwing friend of mine posted that garbage on FB

I commented that Bundy was a major welfare king who has lived off the government teet for more than two decades and linked the court case.

My friend deleted the post.

[mercuryblues]

63. the

same thing here.

[LynnTTT]

56. Liars abound

So the daughter in law, all alone, went up to a BLM ranger and had this conversation with no one else around. And we are supposed to believe her. A BLM ranger came from another state and he doesn't know anything about the situation?
Bundy is making threats and has brought up the possibility of violence. And he's got a few followers who show up with guns and making vague threats.
It is possible it will turn violent. But it won't be the fault of the BLM.

[sofa king]

57. I feel the need to point out...

...That the main reason why that land is still federal is because when the U.S. tried to give it to the states in 1932, the states complained that the land was overgrazed and would be a financial burden to them.

Therefore we the people paid to keep that grazing land available and free to the ranchers, who in turn environmentally wrecked it through continued overgrazing.

That effectively selected out state and local entities from owning or being permitted to manage the land--because they fucked it up in the first place, refused to pay for fucking it up, and pinned the bill for it on you and me.

Therefore in 1976, the US declared that all public land is kept in perpetual trust for the people by the US federal government. Because nobody else took care of that land, ever, from the moment the US stole it from the Indians.

Well now it's our fucking land. We paid for it multiple times over, paid to refurbish it more than once, and will pay again once these yahoos have wrecked it again and moved on to some other place where they can parasitically milk the government. They can wave their rifles and shout about "freedom," but what this is really about is their right to rip the rest of us off by fucking up our public land.

[ancianita]

89. Great post!! Thanks! That entitled, twisted coot and his brush country thug posse can fuck off!

[moparlunatic]

61. Right or wrong

the whole "First amendment" area they set up kinda gives me the heebee geebees.
[link:|

[Historic NY]

64. It was under the last administration.

[Arugula Latte]

79. *

*Does not apply if you're protesting a war or Wall St.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. What a vile website you link to. By line 'Clark Kent' and lots of smearing of Democrats

It looks to me like a Mormon religious thing. Is it?
Here is the other page I looked at on your website, it lauds Free Republican and attacks Harry Reid.....
http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/category/politics/

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

69. If Fox News wasn't bad enough...

these people live in an alternate reality. Everything she posts is beyond the pale but these are their TRUSTED sources.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

70. Is it true that Rory Reid is teaming with a Chinese company to build a solar power plant in Nevada?

And, my next question is, if so, why not an American company?

[MohRokTah]

76. No, it's not true.

Deal's Dead.

And it wasn't happening on the federal land Bundy steals for grazing when talks of a deal were ongoing, but was going to happen on the complete other side of Vegas.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

78. Cool, thanks. But Rory Reid is now on my shitlist. BTW, welcome to DU =). nt

[Orrex]

71. A RW friend has been posting daily calls for prayer for the rancher and militia-men

I've realized, to my horror, that RW'ers really do believe that the federal government is coming for their guns and land and God.

I confess that, until now, part of me thought that this was simply the Progressive caricature of RW extremism, but I see now that the caricature didn't go nearly far enough.

When I joked that voter suppression is a more important fight for me than some rich dude who wants to steal public resources, the first thing they said was "you mean like the Black Panthers scaring away white voters?"

The Black Panthers?!? Seriously?!? What decade are they living in?


Bunch o' freaks, far worse than I'd ever really imagined.

[warrprayer]

73. The Old Time Cattle Barons

from what I have read, were total bastards who employed hired guns to run settlers off their land to which they had legal claim - land that, as in this case, was used by the ranchers for grazing. Entire families were sometimes killed. Tom Horn was one such hired gun, believe he was convicted of murdering a young boy, member of a settlers family with a rifle at long range - his trademark.

[pinboy3niner]

74. BREAKING NEWS: Major development in Bunkerville cattle battle

Posted in LBN by Keefer:

Source: KLAS TV

LAS VEGAS -- A major development is percolating in the showdown at the Bundy ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada -- a possible deal is in the works. It's an 8 News Now exclusive.

The I-Team has learned that a tentative deal has been brokered by Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie to de-escalate the tense standoff between rancher Cliven Bundy and his supporters and the Bureau of Land Management.

Sources tell the I-Team that Sheriff Gillespie has negotiated a potential agreement in which the BLM would halt its roundup of Bundy's cattle and withdraw its employees from the Gold Butte area.

The BLM wants to proceed with the sale of the cattle already gathered during the roundup but is reportedly willing to share the revenue from the sale with Bundy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014778681

[maddezmom]

75. Good news

But I don't see it ending here with all the RW nutters out there on the intertubes.

[MohRokTah]

77. Negotiating with terrorists is not good. eom

[warrprayer]

81. thanks Pinboy

Better than bloodshed.

[Rex]

82. Wow, some crazy shit.

“I actually went and talked to one, he was in the back, nobody was even talking to him. He didn’t say much,” she said. “He had a huge big gun on him, but he didn’t really even touch his gun.”

His GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN! Poor guy just trying to make a living with his cattle...but bad man for making a living with your GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN!!!

Huge, super powerful all knowing ass kicking GUN!!!



"MOVE YOUR ASS BABY COW OR I BLOW IT OFF!"

[Nine]

86. But he's only a poor, old man!

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