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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat was the first computer you ever used (not owned) ?
The thread on owning computers got me thinking of this. Mine was probably an IBM mainframe in 1978 that used punch cards. Didn't they all use punch cards back then ? Or did some mainframes just take data by typing it in ?Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,126 posts)Punch cards.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I was afraid of breaking it.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)lpbk2713
(42,774 posts)Early 1980's, maybe late 70's.
Galileo126
(2,016 posts)It was the next-gen of the IBM 360...but it still used the punch cards. I think it was 1978, and I was programming in BASIC, COBOL, and Pascal.
(Laugh - he said "COBOL".)
steve2470
(37,457 posts)2nd career, eh ?
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msu2ba
(340 posts)I took a Fortran programming course at Michigan State in 1970. We submitted our programs on punch-cards and received our output once a day. If you made a mistake, you didn't find out till the next day. The closest we got to the computers, which had their own building, was seeing them behind their glass walls in a thick-floored (to hold the wiring), air-conditioned room.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and lab the next day.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)When I started elementary school in September 1986 they had fancy IIe in the computer labs.
My dad is a technology early adopter.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Oregon trail and number crunchers, my faves. I started school in 86 too. I don't remember punch cards.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I have a feeling I'll regret it (it'll suck up my "planned" studying time).
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)TlalocW
(15,394 posts)Starting in second grade with educational games. Oregon Trail a year later. Some LOGO programming in 4th. Lots of Carmen Sandiego. Appleworks freshman year. Turbo Pascal... On IIGS at that point. Still remember when you wanted to run your code you hit Escape then Q-U-E-R for Quit, Update, compilE (weird), Run.
TlalocW
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I remember summer computer camp doing Lego for Logo stuff. Hooking Legos up to the computer was the best!
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Wow wow wow
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to the other side of the world, where it would be read and a response would be sent almost as quickly as the recipient, Arthur C Clarke, could read and type his answer 'They call it electronic mail'. I was fairly certain I was being pranked, but as it turned out there was such a thing as electronic mail, Arthur was not in the next room but in Sri Lanka, and although it was years before I sent another email, I was fairly early to the sport....I'm very proud that Arthur was my first email to and from.
SharonAnn
(13,781 posts)Still have the Programmers Card with all the basic language instructions, assembler level programming for the most part.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Galileo126
(2,016 posts)I owned a Timex-Sinclair (with the 64K RAM expansion, and the electrostatic printer!) I drove all the way to Nashua, NH (from southern RI) just to buy one in 1981.
Also, I once owned a Trash-80 Model 4P (TRS-80 4P. "P" for portable). It was a 40 lb computer with a handle. Sure, that made it portable. Just add a handle!
Memories.....like the corners of my mind....
kentauros
(29,414 posts)including a link to a CAD system on which I first learned CADD (in 1987) and it wasn't AutoCAD!
Graphics Computer System by Bausch & Lomb
And I believe we used 8" floppies. About six years earlier, I worked at a newspaper in the graphics department on a phototypesetting machine that used 12" floppies. And in looking at Wikipedia, I have found a pic of one that looked like the pair we used, because I remember that puke-green color:
The image is labeled "Berthold photosetting units tps 6300 and tpu 6308" but I can't remember if that's the same brand or not.
Here are the other museum sites
Computer History Museum
Old-Computers.com - The Museum
steve2470
(37,457 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)I'm afraid if I peruse them any more this evening, I'll get lost
Timez Squarez
(262 posts)Tape machines, punch card teletypes, readers, 8" floppies..
I used to love spending time playing with the punch card teletypes...
I still miss my dad... i just wish he didn't die so soon...
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I guess keep reminiscing with the help of those sites
I'm not a computer geek; I've just had to use some of the technology over the years, whether in school (CAD, and computer graphics on another mainframe-type computer) or in work. Yet, it has been fun and exciting at times, getting to play with the equipment like no one else
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I worked as a repair tech at TI.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)and used this setup (switches and probes).
There was a punchcard testing unit as well, but no pics exist. It never worked well and sat in the corner of my shop space collecting dust.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)My first grade teacher bought one the year they came out. He had it connected to a VoxBox and it called out roll every morning. Every day he'd pick a "Star Student" (best behaved, best homework grades, etc), and that kid would get to tap the spacebar the next morning to rotate the program through everyones names. Back in 1980, it was unheard of for a six year old to even touch a computer, so it was a coveted job. EVERYONE wanted to push the button on the shiny new talking machine!
It was only a few years later that I got my own first computer. It was another Tandy TRS-80 that my mom picked up secondhand at an estate sale.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)My boss at the time was a professor at Cal Tech. He was a genius programmer. The TRS 80 came with extended basic. He taught me some very basic programming stuff.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Would run overnight on some big assed IBM. If there was one little mistake, you started all over. Couple years later, they went from cards to a teletype that shook like crazy when you got it cooking. Went to work for state government, and it was back to those frigging cards.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)In 1979, I attended a summer camp at Emory and Henry College. A nice CIS major showed me how to load up a text-based adventure game. (The details escape me now.)
Most of the rest of the week, I spent in the lab.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Each student was allowed one hour daily, and since we were connecting
via leased telephone circuit (late 1970s) the connection often failed during
Florida's rainy season.
DiverDave
(4,892 posts)we had boxes of punch cards.
gulliver
(13,205 posts)Wonderful machine. 101 Basic Computer Games by David Ahl sitting next to the teletype.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)when I was 5 years old. It was running under Microsoft Windows but dont remember the exact version, as well as the computer's mark. I also remember a printer who was very large....and sooooo noisy.... LOL!!!!!
sakabatou
(42,202 posts)Too young young to remember the rest
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Dunno the designation, but it had a card-reader and line-printer, and we ran Fortran on it.
Owned was a PC/XT/DOS machine around 1986.
TexasTowelie
(112,660 posts)No punch cards, but we built a word processing program using BASIC and ASCII coding during my first year in college for an intro to computer science class. I also wrote some FORTRAN programs for the descriptive statistics class I was taking in my first year.
IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)It used long, accordion-folded strips of punched paper tape as input. Circa 1961, this was.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)catbyte
(34,534 posts)It was at a furniture manufacturing place in norhern Michigan the summer of 1973. Wow, how times have changed, lol!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Used for calculating geometric data; a collected series of theodolite positions/angles.
We appreciated the Pet for carrying out these long calculations ... They were painful when carried out by hand ...
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I saw a demo of a 3d style maze game on one, was much better looking than the one on my trash 80 (deathmaze 5000 I think).
sammytko
(2,480 posts)this was 78-82 time frame.
Then I used a Z-100!
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)So it would be a plain jane Texas Instrument one from the early/mid '70s.
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)They cost a fortune back then.
Iggo
(47,591 posts)7734.40
(tee-hee!)
hadn't thought of that in years.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)And I was an intern at an air traffic control center, 1973, and learned how to keypunch.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)calculations.
Iggo
(47,591 posts)I don't remember if we used punchcards or if we filled in the bubbles with a pencil.
We'd fill out our cards (in BASIC?) in class and then I think once a week or once a month we'd take them to USC and run them to see if the printouts came out as predicted.
It was way boss.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Was at my dad's work. It played chess and Adventure (Go North!). Dad was an electronics engineer and was working on a brake testing system for GM (I think it was them, one of the big car companies). Also used and HP punchcard system at school. Was in the physics lab - the teacher was also our chess coach and let us play around with it.
It wasn't long after that we got a trs-80 model 1, 16k ram, cassette drive (z80). I programmed basic and assembly on it.
First game I wrote was a star trek one. Also wrote a chess program (slow as heck on a trash 80).
Funny thing - all my friends used to thing I was weird for playing D&D and having a computer at home. They couldn't see the need for one, etc.
Now they all play graphic based adventure games and have computers.
Mr.Bill
(24,365 posts)The hard drive was a cassette tape. Black and white screen. I used it at work to estimate printing jobs. It worked very well for that purpose. Also spent many hours playing backgammon with it.
Boreal
(725 posts)And it was the Avis Rent a Car "Wizard". We typed in the info and also received it from other locations via print out. Daily business reports and other info was also generated.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)next one was a Prime mainframe then a IBM 360/135 when I started working. Did the conversion from punch card to disk files when moved the JCL over o a disk file..
Denzil_DC
(7,288 posts)I was a temp and it was a plumb job we temps vied for - you got to sit in a quiet dimly lit room with a gigantic-for-the-time wall-mounted screen, entering account numbers for a gazillion paid bills on a keyboard (advanced stuff, this) into the database (rather than filling in time destuffing envelopes of checks, deciphering scrawled handwriting, filing, or sitting on the envelope shaker and busting it).
It felt like being a cog at NASA. And if the checksum didn't compute at the end of each run, you got to do it all over again.
Marshall III
(69 posts)daleo
(21,317 posts)We were taught how to run punch cards once, but then went on to AJ510 terminals. It was a university course.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)Which would qualify as a computer. Next one used was a huge "portable," prior to 286s, black screen, green type.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts).... connected to a bank. The bank had created a partition on their mainframe for us.
Think a bank would do that today?
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)punched, yellow paper tape, hooked up to God-knows-what and where. About 1969.
Skink
(10,122 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Because microcomputers in Japan were not powerful enough at the time to perform the complex tasks involved in designing and programming Space Invaders, Nishikado had to design his own custom hardware and development tools for the game.[5][9] He created the arcade board using new microprocessors from the United States.[7] The game uses an Intel 8080 central processing unit, and features raster graphics on a CRT monitor and monaural sound hosted by a combination of analogue circuitry and a Texas Instruments SN76477 sound chip.[10][11][12]
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)when I worked as a travel agent. Primitive by today's standards, but they tapped into an extensive data base and got the job done.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)because I had such trouble with math. I have no earthly idea what that computer was.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)The high school had a summer computer course for kids and my dad signed me up. All I really remember about it was playing the Lemonade game.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)I only remember playing a Star Trek strategy game that was something like Battleship.
No CRT, the results of your attack was printed out in a grid for each move via dot matrix printer.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)My friend's dad was one of the first to get a personal computer in our subdivision. It was one with floppy disks. In the 80's before most people didn't have or even heard of the internet. We just played air combat games on it.
IcyPeas
(21,940 posts)I worked in an accounting firm back in the late 70s and we started with IBM MagCard's then we got an upgrade to these fantastic WANGs
[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
I thought it was the coolest technology!!
marlakay
(11,534 posts)Then got job working with 286 at hotel where I was bookkeeper. They had a special hotel software just for them. Started there in 1988.
Nothing online...all offline software.
I didn't own my own until 95 a pentium 1 compac. Was too broke back then...
Buns_of_Fire
(17,213 posts)And TWO -- count 'em -- TWO removable hard disk drives that held FIVE! MILLION! BYTES! EACH!
One of the night operators once dropped one of the disk assemblies (every client had their own disk -- this was a service bureau) and bent a few of the platters. Bless his heart, he straightened out the bends and then loaded the disk.
I was told that the grinding and growling and pieces of the heads flying all over the place were a wondrous sight to behold.
MineralMan
(146,350 posts)applegrove
(118,900 posts)moondust
(20,025 posts)Student job tracking medical records on a big university hospital mainframe information system.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)And I know I've seen at least one cabinet online where the geek had turned it into a wetbar
It's just the right size for that, too:
So, I think I had a class in Business as an elective and we had to program in COBOL, with punch-cards, circa 1979. We also had to learn how to change the tapes on the drive utilized by the VAX. I did notice that they had a punch-tape machine in their computer room, but it didn't seem to be in use.
temporary311
(955 posts)My grandparents got it when I was a kiddo.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)can't remember the specifics
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)PDJane
(10,103 posts)Didn't see the cards; just punched the programme in, let it run through, got the paper day later, and usually had to go back to find the one tiny error that screwed up. For instance, was supposed to put a line of numbers down the centre of the page for some reason. Ended up with 100 pages....with one number perfectly centred in the middle of the page. Was the only one who made that mistake that year, but was told it was made at least once a semester.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)The first computer I ever used was a Univac something-or-other, when I was in the USAF. I did inventory for supplies and equipment that were no longer needed by various units. It was 1978-79. The computer itself was in some building I never saw.
This is where I first heard the term "GIGO", garbage in, garbage out. I thought it was such a neat phrase I wrote it on a little strip of paper and taped it above the keyboard. Then I had to explain it to everyone else, because they had no idea what it meant.
A couple of years later, I was taking computer programming classes at a community college, and had the joyful experience of inputting data on punch cards. Woo! Totally failed Fortran programming, and didn't do much better with Cobol, so I switched to accounting. One class was Microcomputer Accounting, and we used some new-fangled thing called an Apple.
Good times. Good times.
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)A friend's Dad had one.
http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html
GreenPartyVoter
(72,386 posts)being really impressed with these things:
There was a bank of them on the wall, sort of like the ones in the back of the pic. They might have been blue?
The only thing I remember about using the computer was the monitor was the green screen type, and I played a zombie game where my O had to run away from the Ys? Man, it must have been even earlier than '84. So hard to remember! LOL
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)It was the family computer, and may have originally run on Windows 3.1.....but all I can remember is Win 95, though.
Timez Squarez
(262 posts)My dad brought it home after I got sick with chicken pox when I was 7.
It was a family computer but I used it a lot. My dad owned a data processing company in the early 80s. Tried to sell it to his partner, got ripped off, and just started a variety of business and we have been together for over 12 years as a partners in a computer consulting business until his death last week. I still miss him dearly.
I didn't really want to respond to this thread because it brings so much memories of me and my dad. I'm crying right now.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I know all DU'ers have empathy for you in your grieving.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Damn, I'm old!
2naSalit
(86,920 posts)Belonged to a friend and several of us used to play "starlanes" and "pong" on it when we visited... monchrome screen.
But a few years later I went to publishing arts school and used some other desk top thing that used 7" floppy disks, we used it for graphics lessons. I won a few ribbons in a regional technical arts competition with a free hand drawing using "Dr. Halo" program (I think the actual computer was some Compac something or other, can't even recall what it looked like. Simultaneously I was becoming a master on the Compugraphic machine that used 12" font floppies.
(ours was black and a bit newer)
I still remember having to enter half a screen full of code before entering in the text for a business card, but what came out at the end was a nice, clean nearly finished version of what the whole image was that I could trim and paste onto the board to make a negative of so I could burn a plate to put on the press. I really liked doing that, and measuring in points and picas... still have my steel typesetter's gauge.
Man, that was a while back!
OutNow
(870 posts)Got a job in 1970 running "the mainframe" on 3rd shift. Midnight to 8am. They made us wear a tie and no jeans so we'd look professional. Look professional for who? My boss would sneak in early once in a while at 7am to see if he could catch us without our tie on. What a rat bastard he was.
We ran OSMFT/HASP that could run 3 or 4 batch programs at a time and had gigantic 1403N1 printers that would print invoices all night long. I then had to take the boxes of printed invoices down to the basement where they had a decollator to pull the carbon paper out and a burster to separate the invoices from one long continuous form into individual pages.
This was before virtual memory so anything that had to be sorted and manipulated was done via mag tapes. Those sorts would run for hours.
In those days you could get a computer operations job with a high school diploma. The pay wasn't great but it was the proverbial "foot in the door".
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...while a sophomore in high school, Idaho Falls, ID. I attended IF High, which had no computer facilities, but the more recently built Skyline High had a PDP-8. I went there with friends a few times to play around with the machine.
As a freshman at the University of Chicago in 1970 we had an assignment to do some simple computerized data analysis as part of the second quarter Physics class. That was probably on some IBM mainframe.
In the summer of 1974, before beginning grad school in mathematics at Stanford, I got a summer job at Ford Aerospace. They needed someone to implement a minimum path routing algorithm for a cable harness in the GOES satellites the company was building. There were five or so staff programmers and they had a book describing the recursive minimum path algorithm that needed to be implemented. None of the programmers understood the algorithm, so couldn't figure out how to implement it. My job interview consisted of explaining recursion to the befuddled programmers. I got the job. My first day at work I entered the code, via teletype, to implement the algorithm and test it on a Honeywell 6000 series machine. Although I am certain someone explained it to me, I didn't remember to SAVE my work, so I did it over again the next day. The rest of that summer I played around with the resulting punched card deck to tune and verify the results. Eventually the satellites were built (and launched) employing HCRAMP (Harness Cable Routing And Mass Properties) software.
Continuing the job the next summer, Atlas Shrugged, and the projects changed to developing applications on Intel 8008 and 8080, and [link: software |Zilog Z-80] microprocessors. Weird.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)BASIC for programming, cassette recorder for storage.
In college, 1985-89:
VAX 11/780, multiple languages, 60-100 terminals between the labs and professors' offices.
DEC PDP 11, 10-20 terminals in the lab.
Networked Unix workstations.
PCs and Macs in labs for writing papers.
I have held punch cards in my hands, but never used them. I know folks (my parents' age) who have used them.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Heidi
(58,237 posts)this, as a newsroom intern, in 1980:
quaker bill
(8,225 posts)Don't know the specs, was never in the same room with it. Just put the stack of cards in the reader and hoped for a result....
Broken_Hero
(59,305 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,381 posts)Data entry was keystroke on a dumb terminal, but storage medium was papertape. Same concept as the punch cards, but rolls of tape with holes in it instead of boxes of cards.
The computer was the mainframe at a local university when we were the first to have a tie in to them.
Then i went to that same college for undergrad and used it there for a class. (Just computer science 101 or something like that.)
I don't recall what model it was but it was definitely an IBM.
I know you didn't say this, but i did have a Commodore 64 as the first one i actually owned.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I was working on a summer project at Fort Belvoir in a bunker redesigned to hold science labs. This was in 1987.
I was looking at data to try to determine if the reflectivity from objects(albedo) could determine what they were. I had the temerity to ask if camouflage might not make this moot. They were not happy with me.
I had a disk of data from an Austrailian scientist. It kept crashing at one point as it was run through a series of equations. I finally reached her on the phone and she said well yes they had had that problem too. We never figured out the problem.
That was when I realized what 'hot mess' and government waste really meant.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)2K RAM with an available 16K RAM pack. Cassette recorder to save programs. And if you bumped it or pressed too hard on the keypad or something it would wipe everything
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)but I've never known a world without the internet.
OneBlueDotBama
(1,385 posts)two 5 inch floppies and a slave drive with 2 8 inch floppies