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UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:04 AM Apr 2014

I would ask Ted NUGENT and the other gunLOONS what militia they represent but they probably have one

The gunLOONS are itching for bloodshed, it’s just a matter of when and where.

Really, they are anarchists, freedom for them to do whatever they want. This BUNDY scofflaw owns 160 acres in the desert & has to feed his cattle on public lands for them to survive, now doesn’t pay rent and penalties, but makes profit when he sells his welfare-fed cattle.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-usa-ranchers-nevada-idUSBREA3B03Q20140413?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews
[font size=5]Nevada ranching family claims victory as government releases cattle[/font]

.... A number of Bundy's supporters, who included militia members from California, Idaho and other states, dressed in camouflage and carried rifles and sidearms. During the stand-off, some chanted "open that gate" and "free the people."

A man who identified himself as Scott, 43, said he had traveled from Idaho along with two fellow militia members to support Bundy.

"If we don't show up everywhere, there is no reason to show up anywhere," said the man, dressed in camouflage pants and a black flak jacket crouched behind a concrete highway barrier, holding an AR-15 rifle. "I'm ready to pull the trigger if fired upon," Scott said.

LONG-SIMMERING ANGER

The dispute between Bundy and federal land managers began in 1993 when he stopped paying monthly fees of about $1.35 per cow-calf pair to graze public lands that are also home to imperiled animals such as the Mojave Desert tortoise. The government also claims Bundy has ignored cancellation of his grazing leases and defied federal court orders to remove his cattle.

"We won the battle," said Ammon Bundy, one of the rancher's sons.

The bureau said Cliven Bundy still owes taxpayers more than $1 million, which includes both grazing fees and penalties, and that it would work to resolve the matter administratively and through the court system. ....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?hpid=z6
[font size=5]Justice Stevens: The five extra words that can fix the Second Amendment[/font]
John Paul Stevens served as an associate justice of the Supreme Court from 1975 to 2010. This essay is excerpted from his new book, “Six Amendments: How and Why We Should Change the Constitution.”

.... For more than 200 years following the adoption of that amendment, federal judges uniformly understood that the right protected by that text was limited in two ways: First, it applied only to keeping and bearing arms for military purposes, and second, while it limited the power of the federal government, it did not impose any limit whatsoever on the power of states or local governments to regulate the ownership or use of firearms. Thus, in United States v. Miller, decided in 1939, the court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that sort of weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated Militia.” ....

In recent years two profoundly important changes in the law have occurred. In 2008, by a vote of 5 to 4, the Supreme Court decided in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects a civilian’s right to keep a handgun in his home for purposes of self-defense. And in 2010, by another vote of 5 to 4, the court decided in McDonald v. Chicago that the due process clause of the 14th Amendment limits the power of the city of Chicago to outlaw the possession of handguns by private citizens. I dissented in both of those cases and remain convinced that both decisions misinterpreted the law and were profoundly unwise. Public policies concerning gun control should be decided by the voters’ elected representatives, not by federal judges. ....

Organizations such as the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and mounted a vigorous campaign claiming that federal regulation of the use of firearms severely curtailed Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Five years after his retirement, during a 1991 appearance on “The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour,” Burger himself remarked that the Second Amendment “has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word ‘fraud,’ on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

As a result of the rulings in Heller and McDonald, the Second Amendment, which was adopted to protect the states from federal interference with their power to ensure that their militias were “well regulated,” has given federal judges the ultimate power to determine the validity of state regulations of both civilian and militia-related uses of arms. That anomalous result can be avoided by adding five words to the text of the Second Amendment to make it unambiguously conform to the original intent of its draftsmen. As so amended, it would read:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.” ....

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I would ask Ted NUGENT and the other gunLOONS what militia they represent but they probably have one (Original Post) UTUSN Apr 2014 OP
That is my biggest concern related to arming up of Americans, mostly right wing bigots. Hoyt Apr 2014 #1
They've always been armed RobertEarl Apr 2014 #2
To right wing haters, it's proof their way is right. I would not be surprised to see gun and ammo Hoyt Apr 2014 #3
Not one cow died!! RobertEarl Apr 2014 #4
I'm a cow lover, so I hope they haven't been abused. Hoyt Apr 2014 #5
Living out there is abuse RobertEarl Apr 2014 #7
haha "not one cow died" because they said "free the people" - meat sales will go up too!1 UTUSN Apr 2014 #6
Price of dead cow is already higher RobertEarl Apr 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Yavapai Apr 2014 #9
did you read the STEVENS link? nt UTUSN Apr 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Yavapai Apr 2014 #11
where were these militia guys onethatcares Apr 2014 #12
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. They've always been armed
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:19 AM
Apr 2014

They are really not much of a threat. Except to their kids. And neighbors.

And now that Obama has cooled things off, they can feel much better knowing that Obama is not going to take their guns away or shoot 'em up.

It's just a bunch of stinking cows. Not much of a victory for the gunslingers. But it is a huge victory for the Obama camp that proved we are not warmongers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. To right wing haters, it's proof their way is right. I would not be surprised to see gun and ammo
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:33 AM
Apr 2014

sales increase in celebration.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Not one cow died!!
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:42 AM
Apr 2014

It's all good. Obama is looking good.

If you want, you can show support for Bundy by buying steak again.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. Living out there is abuse
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:56 AM
Apr 2014

Abuse of the land and the cows.

Eating steak will show support for the Bundy's.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
8. Price of dead cow is already higher
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:58 AM
Apr 2014

The cattlemen would just love to sell you more of their dead cows. That is one way to support Bundy; buy mo' beef!

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onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
12. where were these militia guys
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 05:08 AM
Apr 2014

during OWS? or OWS Oakland?

Didn't the first amendment mean the same thing then or what?

fucking nutcases. Now excuse me while I let my chickens into the park across the way.

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