MRAs in a nutshell. KNOW with whom you're dealing with...

[MrScorpio]

Stoned, young, white, male, right-wing, non-religious, paranoid, self-entitled assholes.




https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cxP5G8eJQ73208wEuUNfJG8cCj5WaLoUAV3YeGnQaRo/viewanalytics

[edgineered]

1. The outcome was to be expected,

if you look at the demographics. Where do you find that many very conservative of such a young age?

[Jamaal510]

48. Also,

how many women are really going to want to be apart of a mens' rights group, anyway? Frankly, I'm surprised there were any women at all.

[edgineered]

53. I'm happy to believe the ones

who had the courage to go there went in attempting to bring the voice of reason, and possibly diminish the gap. On the other hand, maybe they were the 13 year old group thinking that age makes boys into men.

[etherealtruth]

2. "Stoned, young, white, male, right-wing, non-religious, paranoid, self-entitled assholes"

Without doubt.

Not even a surprise that the only issue of concern is an issue that could directly impact them.

[Schema Thing]

3. This is in no way scientific, is it?

almost exclusively 17-20 yo? c'mon.



This would be an interesting poll to create, in a non-bullshit fashion.

[seabeyond]

8. it would be interesting if that lump number follows the increased age groups.

saying, in a couple years, we see a significant increase in the next age group and the 17-20 stays about the same.


that this mentality is relatively new, really effecting our young men.

i can see that insight needed.

[Schema Thing]

9. yeah, but I'm suspecting that this is just some random internet poll

with a very specific sampling.


IOW, not even a little bit accurate.

[seabeyond]

11. Probably. That is mostly what we get in studies now a days.

It would also be interesting to see if the petering out of the numbers hold stating maturity is the answer

[FSogol]

42. Nah, those idiots will have some real life experiences and even meet some living, breathing women

as they get older. One day they're realize how childish their opinions were.

[awoke_in_2003]

16. And almost all atheist/no religion

I call bullshit. Religion is one of the biggest drivers of mysogany.

[seabeyond]

21. not true, i do not believe. the atheism themselves has a pretty big issue with misogyny.

that being said, the popular evo psych today is a science, that has taken the place of religion supporting the patriarchy thru dominance and control. that is being taught in our universities.

and i absolutely agree religion is a huge culprit in misogyny. so not make less that point.

[redqueen]

26. Yep. The Amazing Atheist is extremely popular.

He has lots of atheist, misogynist, MRA fans.

[awoke_in_2003]

31. I am not saying there aren't asshole atheists...

but religions, especially the fundie ones, go out of their way to tell women they are second class citizens, and to shut up, get in the kitchen, and submit to the will of their husbands.

[seabeyond]

34. yes. that is why i did not want to make light. and porn, goes out of its way to

degrade, humiliate, submit, abuse, control, dominate the woman.

i can not say that religion has a greater hold in the u.s. than porn. can you? and both are doing the same.

the answer for the non religious and confirmation for the religious is evo psych that does the same that religion does. no difference. all ugly.

it is a mans issue, not a religion or party issue. is our point. and we women are not gonna pretend otherwise, or we are not doing our job. we would be slacking. or coddling cause others do not want to hear it especially on this board.

NOW... i have to qualify. cause NONE of this is to you, personally.

[awoke_in_2003]

43. Living in Texas...

I can only go from my experience. Down here, porn and religion seem to hold equal sway. While both are bad, only one wants to deny reproductive rights, equal pay, etc, to women.

[Jamaal510]

50. You should just see

some of the AmazingAtheist's videos on YouTube. I used the think he was alright, but his anti-feminist videos kinda raised a red flag for me, plus I think he even had a video about impeaching Obama...

[seabeyond]

52. wow. thanks. i have seen some of it. there was a big old to do about a yr ago.

not sure what popular atheist. see how much i do not know. but i have heard enough to know it is an issue even with atheists.

[maddezmom]

27. Agree

Fundie Conservatives lead the charge against women's rights and a ton of them are and working in gov't or places of worship. As for their ages....spans all groups.

[distantearlywarning]

38. I believe it.

A lot of the MRA types are into evo-psych - they use it to justify all the pick-up artist crap and whatnot.

[awoke_in_2003]

44. I haven't had much experience with MRAs

because I try not to associate with assholes. All I know of them is what I read here, and what I have seen has not been good. I will look up evo-psych- that is a new one to me.

[NuclearDem]

58. Plenty of atheists are misogynists.

I couldn't possibly hold any lower an opinion of the self-entitled, smartest-guy-in-the-room shits that think getting bullied in high school or not getting dates grants them the right to treat women like shit.

It's to be expected out of fundamentalists.

[YoungDemCA]

75. If you think religious people have a monopoly on misogyny/sexism, racism...

..or any other form of bigotry and irrational social prejudice, you haven't been paying attention.

[awoke_in_2003]

78. No, I don't think they have a monopoly on it...

what I am saying is that in a country where 70% claim to be christian, 99% of the respondants in this poll said they were atheist/not religious. Statistically it doesn't make sense.

[shenmue]

4. Thank you for posting

That's what I thought.

[Whisp]

5. surprised at the age range. Sound like young gun nutbar Libertarians. n/t

[seabeyond]

7. my niece was telling me last night, how she expected the men her age, 20, to be like her,

more liberal ect... and wowsers, she says. they are not. they are THIS, lol.

[awoke_in_2003]

45. I live in Texas, so can only share my view...

down here, being "born again" is cool. Hell, you can't watch a football game without 30 instances of people praising god for some catch they made. Sorry, drifted there. I have told this story before, but will tell it again. About 5 or 6 years ago I took a US Government course at the local community college. The class was pretty equally split male/female. Me and another dude were old timers, around 40. After we got through the Roe v Wade decision, the professor asked how many supported it. Me and the other old guy were the only ones. I was floored. Not one young woman in that class supported her right to make a medical decision with her doctor in privacy? One did start to speak up about god's word, but she got shut down pretty quick. The professor let her know this was a classroom and not church.

[seabeyond]

47. wowser. wow. i am in texas too. we do get a lot of that. my son though,

would talk to me about it with his classes. i do not think that class would be split so drastically. that was not that long ago for you.

[awoke_in_2003]

65. No, it wasn't...

and it really shocked me. My grandmother's both entered the work force during WWII, and proved they could do any job a man could do. After the war, they worked along side their husbands until the day they died. They were strong women who took no one's crap, yet always made me feel loved. My mother was the same type of woman. She was strong, and always found a way to help those who needed it. The submissive woman is something I do not understand. The thought of my wife subjegating herself to me has zero appeal. Oh, we fight and fuss sometimes, but I wouldn't want a Stepford wife. We are equals, and all good partnerships should be that way.

[seabeyond]

6. religion, 94% none. evo psych, the new religion of science. my point, lol lol. omg,

my niece is gonna shit from the conversation we had just last night about this and men. 88% 17-20 in age. and they are strong conservative STONERS lol lol.

omg.... men are largely more disadvantaged than women

very interesting. thank you so much scorp. very interesting.

[JJChambers]

12. Don't run to your niece yet

The poll was of reddit, not a scientific study. It would be no different than coming to HoF and asking similar questions. The results will be unreliable.

[seabeyond]

13. thanks. actually, that answer a lot. and if on reddit, she probably already saw it and why she is

hearing so many guys this age saying it. not to mention, that reddit is geared more to that age anyway, lol

thanks for the info

[MrScorpio]

15. That forum has 88,388 readers

It's not exactly an outlier.

[seabeyond]

18. thanks... lol. sometimes the info and process comes in trickles. yes. and i am also

remembering that there is a pretty big organized MRA group there. as you said below.

[MrScorpio]

19. The only Reddit that I subscribe to, r/mixes, only has 5883 members

The amount on that MRA forum sickens me.

[seabeyond]

20. oh ya? i am going to have to talk to niece. she is real familiar.

i have never been on it. i am clueless.

scorpio, i do appreciate the info. thanks.

[progressoid]

56. the median Reddit user is male (59%), 25–34 years of age

According to Google Ad Planner's estimate, as of May 2013, the median Reddit user is male (59%), 25–34 years of age, and is connecting from the United States (68%).[73] Pewinternet.org has stated that 6% of all adult internet users use Reddit.[74]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#Demographics

Not exactly a cross section of society either.

[progressoid]

57. Ah, Reddit. That explains a lot.

[awoke_in_2003]

46. I am going to look into this evo-psych

I have never heard of it before, and someone upthread mentioned it, too. I have a feeling it is a bunch of hooey.

[seabeyond]

49. girls and women like pink because in the beginning of time they picked berries.

men rape cause biology tell them to

shit like that. bet you have heard it.

[awoke_in_2003]

66. No, I haven't...

but then I didn't freak out when my 4 year old grandson wanted his toe nails painted because his 12 year old sister, the love of his life, was painting hers. My sister was raped in college, and the police didn't do shit about it because she had 3 or 4 beers. I am anti death penalty, but rape and child molestation really make me question my stance.

[JJChambers]

10. These numbers come from a reddit forum poll??

So in essence they have ZERO value. I would like to see a scientific study done asking the same questions.

[MrScorpio]

14. It comes from the Reddit MRA forum

Probably the best example of an MRA central on the net.

I suggest that you go in there and tell them that their opinion has no value.

[seabeyond]

17. interesting. and yes. point. this is where a lot of the dudes hang out. almost their camp.

they organize shit like..... go after school rape programs putting in a bunch of false claims, exercises and other activities, from reddit.

i am remembering.

[mythology]

32. It still holds absolutely zero useful information because it's not a scientifically done survey

The fact that it's internet only is one major factor, the fact that's it's a reddit forum is another. You simply can't assume that this is representative of the group as a whole any more than you can take the population of DU as representative of the general Democratic or even liberal spectrum of the U.S.

[MrScorpio]

41. Actually, I'd rather like to see a more scientific survey of MRAs...

Which I suspect would indicate that most of them are as White, male, right-wing, paranoid, self-entited and assholish as all git out!

[Marr]

60. Then it's a Reddit MRA former user profile. /nt

[bettyellen]

22. As suspected, lol. Immature, ignorant selfish trolls.

[Ohio Joe]

23. No suprises... I think it is pretty damn close for every MRA I've ever dealt with...

They are at the least... Predictable.

[redqueen]

24. That survey represents the ones who hang out on reddit.

They're a sizable group, but I would hesitate to say they represent all of them. There are a lot of men out there who are working very hard to maintain the status quo / push back against the gains feminism has made.

These articles describe the organized groups who fight against feminism. It's more than just angry young men on the net.
http://www.salon.com/2009/11/05/mens_rights/
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/08/angry-men-feminist-agenda/3/

[seabeyond]

25. because i am seeing my generation, men my age, right there. that is what i had mostly

seen it as.

thanks for info. i have read one. will check out the other.

[Rex]

28. Wow, most think they are at a disadvantage compaired to women!

I guess that extra 23 cents on the dollar, goes right over their head! They must be brainwashed.

[CFLDem]

29. An internet poll?

Might as well have posted crap from The Blaze or Faux News...

[Scootaloo]

30. "Stoned, young, white, male, right-wing, non-religious, paranoid, self-entitled assholes."

The word you want is "Libertarian"

[Raksha]

63. Libertarian is the word I thought of too.

Although I've run into a few both online and in RL who were not so young, but otherwise fit the profile. Always they were self-described Libertarians.

[YoungDemCA]

73. +1000

I've dealt with these guys (and they are almost all guys) too many times. Smug, arrogant assholes giving pseudo-intellectual justifications to their bigotry.

[Warpy]

33. Yeah, the age explains a lot

Horny, wet behind the ears and generally unappealing, barely out of boyhood and thinking that somehow women owe them nonstop sex.

No wonder those groups are generally vicious.

[Avalux]

35. This is precisely the voter group the GOP is going after and it scares the hell out of me.

Grover Norquist and Co. are about to take up the banner of national weed legalization and demonize Democrats, portraying them as anti-weed. This is the shit they're really really good at - black is white, up is down.

How do Dems reach this demographic when they're so far out there? That's what has me worried.

[PassingFair]

51. Quit fighting legalization, for one thing.

Deprive them of a cause.

[distantearlywarning]

36. 97% between the ages of 13 and 25

Not in the slightest bit surprising. Testosterone poisoned over-confident immature morons who think the world owes them something just because they happen to own a penis. This demographic has always been with us; now they just have something new to call themselves. The good news is that at least some of them will grow up.

[seabeyond]

39. i would like to start hearing about estrogen poisoning. and what a bad ass mother fuckin'

hormone estrogen. is. i would like the excuse of estrogen, with everything i do as a woman. that ole estrogen. all the friggin's time.

sigh...

you post is right on. i agree withyou. i appreciate you. but i am really tired of the god like status of testosterone. we as a society has elevated that hormone to such fuggin awesome, it has an entity of its own. and this.... would be the first step to addressing these immature little shits. they really are not all that. yet... we feed right into the glory of testosterone.... in all its awesomeness.

[AngryAmish]

79. Read this

http://m.portlandmercury.com/portland/Content?category=34029&oid=34844

Both estrogen and testosteron effect the mind as well as body.

[seabeyond]

80. i have read plenty and that has nothing to do with my point. nt

[hughee99]

37. Given the number of DUers who have been called MRAs here,

I'm surprised the DU has this many stoned, young, white, male, right-wing, non-religious, paranoid, self-entitled assholes.

[seabeyond]

40. how many duers have been called MRA's cause if we do not count the owns spawning themselves,

well, significantly less than alot.

[Spider Jerusalem]

54. A number of DUers are pretty self-evidently MRAs

if they don't want people to think they are then they should probably stop posting MRA talking points and popping up in threads on feminist issues to whine "but what about the men"? (Because obviously the one to five percent of rape allegations that are false is more important than the 25 percent of women who are raped in their lifetimes, and the fact that David Beckham was in a Calvin Klein ad means that sexual objectification affects men just as much as women, apparently. )

[Harmony Blue]

55. The majority of feminists are white so

while the feminists and MRAs bicker black women and black men are suffering. This is almost as tragic as a Greek play.

[seabeyond]

59. they are? what percent would tht be? 43%? 98%? 51%? help me out. stats? nt

[WatermelonRat]

76. I did an internet search, but it didn't turn up much useful.

Searching "feminist demographics" mainly yields explicitly anti-feminist sites and statistics on the percentage of women who identify as feminists.

Since many people first really embrace feminism in college and because college is more affordable for middle class people (who are more likely to be white) than lower class people, it's not entirely inconceivable that feminists are disproportionately white, though I doubt it would be to the degree we see with MRAs.

[seabeyond]

77. feminists are disproportionately white, though I doubt it would be to the degree we see with MRAs.

i wouldnt argue that the majority are probably white. for the reason you state. but, i do not like to say something factual, when i do not know. how stupid is that, lol. it may well be. it makes sense. but, my point was certainly how you conclude. " I doubt it would be to the degree we see with MRAs." , which is the absurdity harmony was suggesting.

and i know in the early times it has been alomost exclusively white. but, feminism got a slap in the face and a wake up call in the 60;s and 70's this was the case and i think women have come a long way to be inclusive. today i think feminism and voice is more universal that in the apst, by a long shot

thanks for the efforts though.

[BainsBane]

61. The problem is their ideas have influence beyond that demographic

Look at some of the subject headings on this Men's Rights Reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/?count=26&before=t3_22wpla

As for the racial demographic, that was my sense all along. Men of color experience real discrimination. They don't need to invent angst about how oppressed they are by women.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. LOL....yep yep....

[ismnotwasm]

64. Nice!

Bout sums it up.

[IronLionZion]

70. mras and feminists arguing at u of t mra event video:

[Nye Bevan]

71. White, nonreligious potsmokers? Despicable people. The lowest of the low.

Thanks for letting us know.

[YoungDemCA]

74. When they make up pseudo-intellectual justifications for their bigotry

that is despicable and low, yes. Glad to see you agree.

[Ohio Joe]

84. I always find it fascinating when the defensiveness gets up

I find it very telling.

Because a majority of MRA's are made up of a certain demographic, it is not a logical conclusion to assume most of that demographic are MRA's.

It is in fact... Very poor logic.

[YoungDemCA]

72. K&R

Thanks.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

81. 94% no religion makes me very, very suspicious of this.

Who was this a poll of, and what was the methodology?

[opiate69]

82. This headline brought to you by...

The department of redundancy department.

[DURHAM D]

83. Rand Paul's base. nt

[seabeyond]

85. true that. nt