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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:38 AM Apr 2014

That’s a terrible chart

by PZ Myers

I wish I’d had this a few weeks ago, when I was telling students how not to present their data. This is a chart illustrating the effects of stand-your-ground-laws on murder in Florida.



I glanced at that and thought, “Whoa, surprise: the stand-your-ground-laws had a pretty dramatic effect in reducing murder. I did not expect that at all.”

And then I was a bit disappointed: “But they really should have set the Y axis at zero. It’s a bit misleading and magnifies the apparent effect, otherwise.”

And then I did a double-take: “They inverted the freaking Y axis!”

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http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/04/15/thats-a-terrible-chart/

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That’s a terrible chart (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2014 OP
Holy crap! That's really egregious. Proud Public Servant Apr 2014 #1
Breathtaking dishonesty, truebluegreen Apr 2014 #2
Wow Stargazer09 Apr 2014 #3
That is the exact intent LondonReign2 Apr 2014 #5
I know Stargazer09 Apr 2014 #6
Yeah, that has nothing to do with LondonReign2 Apr 2014 #4
Coming soon to Fox "News" Doctor_J Apr 2014 #7
Wow. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #8
It says "Florida Department of Law Enforcement". siligut Apr 2014 #10
That is a terrible chart. But it's worth noting that the designer claims that... Skinner Apr 2014 #9
Hope she doesn't want to (or do) this kind of thing for a living... Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #12
I'm sure Fox News needs someone to make their dishonest, misleading graphics. FSogol Apr 2014 #13
Except that her heart seems to be in the right place - Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #14
These might be a little better... rrneck Apr 2014 #11
lol That was my first thought. What a stupid (way to present data) graph! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #15
It's even worse for using two different terms JoeyT Apr 2014 #16
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
2. Breathtaking dishonesty,
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:43 AM
Apr 2014

making it look like gun deaths fell when actually they soared, reversing a falling trend.

I am tired of saying "Inconceivable!"...with these people the word has become meaningless.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
6. I know
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:49 AM
Apr 2014

Pretty disgusting. But considering how important guns are to people like that, I am not surprised.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
4. Yeah, that has nothing to do with
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:46 AM
Apr 2014

how not to present your data. That is not an error, or poorly thought out, it is data presented in a manner that effectively executes its purpose -- to deceive.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. Coming soon to Fox "News"
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:05 AM
Apr 2014

and, the next day, half of America will believe the opposite of what's true

siligut

(12,272 posts)
10. It says "Florida Department of Law Enforcement".
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:22 AM
Apr 2014

For the statistics but certainly for not this purposely misleading graph.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
9. That is a terrible chart. But it's worth noting that the designer claims that...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:14 AM
Apr 2014

...she inverted the chart to make it look like dripping blood. She claims she wasn't trying to deceive. Click the tweet to see an Iraq graphic that was her inspiration:

https://twitter.com/ChristineHHChan/status/455971685783441408

https://twitter.com/ChristineHHChan

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
12. Hope she doesn't want to (or do) this kind of thing for a living...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:03 PM
Apr 2014

The chart which inspired hers is clear - by the title, if nothing else: "Iraq's Bloody Toll." Not to mention that with its more refined view along the x-axis the bars more closely resemble blood because there are so many discrete drips.

Really bad implementation of a fairly good idea.

ETA: Ooooh....scary....by her Twitter description she apparently does this for a living.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
14. Except that her heart seems to be in the right place -
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:08 PM
Apr 2014

it is just her execution that is really lousy.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
16. It's even worse for using two different terms
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:16 PM
Apr 2014

that have different meanings at the top. Are we looking at gun deaths or murders? Gun deaths include legal self defense and usually suicide. Murders don't.

I'm guessing it's probably either gun deaths or a hybrid of the two - If it was murder, the rate would've dropped precipitously once they legalized murder. So it's probably all gun deaths excluding suicide.

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