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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:29 PM Apr 2014

"we have not spoken earlier, as we are a staff that exists in fear of bullying, retaliation...

and losing our jobs."

These are the words of the teachers from a San Diego charter school in March on the loss of a fellow teacher. They were asked not to discuss the circumstances with parents or students. They decided to speak out.

Another great post from Anthony Cody at Education Week.

San Diego Charter Teachers: Bullying Contributed to Death of Colleague



At a San Diego school board meeting on Tuesday, March 11, dramatic testimony from teachers and parents uncovered serious questions about the way their charter school has been run. Harriet Tubman Village Charter School is known for high test scores, but the death of a first year teacher has contributed to a sense of deep concern. Maggie Kuhn, founder of the Grey Panthers, once said: "Dare to stand before those you fear and speak your mind, even if your voice shakes." The testimony at this meeting is riveting. And the discussion that follows is disturbing.


And the teachers spoke.

We apologize that we have not spoken earlier, as we are a staff that exists in fear of bullying, retaliation and losing our jobs.

We have concerns regarding the protection of our students, the success of our school and the integrity of the charter. Our charter requires us to follow the credentialing requirements of the Education Code. Several teachers this year and last year taught without proper credentials in the subjects they were teaching. In fact, this is the case for two teachers at the moment. One teacher, when initially stating she was not qualified to teach a subject, and felt uncomfortable teaching the subject, was told she could do it, she was capable, and to do it "until we get caught, and then we have a year to fix it." We also have questions regarding whether one of our administrators actually holds an admin credential, as there is no record of it with the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing.

....I want to tell you the story of Sarah Jenkins. Sarah was a young, bright, dedicated, caring first year teacher at Tubman. When administration had concerns about Sarah's abilities and performance they did not provide support for her or guidance. Instead they piled more and more work on, called her names, and criticized her at every single turn. On October 24th, Sarah wrote an email to the administration informing them that she had a medical condition that made it difficult to meet their excessive demands. She ended the email by begging for positive support, writing "being kind, helpful and specific helps me better myself. But calling me incompetent is not helpful but rude and unprofessional." The next day, Sarah was terminated, which I believe is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Sarah passed away three weeks ago from complications of stress-related seizures. When administrators found out we did not receive support or compassion. Instead we were told to not share this information with students, not with parents, that Sarah was only at our school for two months, and at the end of the day she didn't make an impact.





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"we have not spoken earlier, as we are a staff that exists in fear of bullying, retaliation... (Original Post) madfloridian Apr 2014 OP
I wish...for the record, things are boiling over nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #1
Things are boiling over in some areas of Florida now also. madfloridian Apr 2014 #2
And I'm on a message board with nice teachers who knit Warpy Apr 2014 #5
Alex I will take two for $1000.00 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #6
One thing impressed me with DFA madfloridian Apr 2014 #10
Correct, triangulation demands nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #12
Even the concept of "farm team" is pretty feeble. malthaussen Apr 2014 #27
This is what the repug and tea baggers have been doing in the last 10 years. Fla Dem Apr 2014 #32
+1 n/t jaysunb Apr 2014 #54
The DC Dems are aware, and are on the same side as the profiteers Doctor_J Apr 2014 #7
They are aware and don't care... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #45
Democrats, sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #46
Just wanted to butt in here LiberalLovinLug Apr 2014 #37
K&R'd! snot Apr 2014 #3
Kick FloriTexan Apr 2014 #4
.... madfloridian Apr 2014 #8
Kick FloriTexan Apr 2014 #24
K&R.... daleanime Apr 2014 #9
Important story, K & R mountain grammy Apr 2014 #11
This is exactly what is going on in a local school district here. DebJ Apr 2014 #13
Often employers load people up with just too much so they will quit Samantha Apr 2014 #14
Most important is they don't have to pay unemployment benefits passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #33
+100 DebJ narnian60 Apr 2014 #25
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2014 #15
Thank you for posting this thread Samantha Apr 2014 #16
So much courage. madfloridian Apr 2014 #20
kick and rec ! nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #17
another k and r bbgrunt Apr 2014 #18
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #19
It's so hard to believe that charter schools would act unethically Orrex Apr 2014 #21
That kind of punitive attitude toward teachers also goes on in public schools now.... madfloridian Apr 2014 #22
I don't doubt it at all. Orrex Apr 2014 #23
I remember when it used to be socially unacceptable to be mean & nasty. CrispyQ Apr 2014 #26
Ethics? Integrity? Those might interfere with profit! tclambert Apr 2014 #29
LOL. Orrex Apr 2014 #30
Charters schools shouyld be destroyed, and their proponents JAILED nikto Apr 2014 #40
I bet the school officials who bully the teachers claim to have a zero tolerance policy on bullying. tclambert Apr 2014 #28
K & R cate94 Apr 2014 #31
When did teachers become an acceptable target for bullying? jopacaco Apr 2014 #34
I only wish... nikto Apr 2014 #39
In 2009 when Arne Duncan was appointed. Yes, purpose of test is failure so private companies ... madfloridian Apr 2014 #47
Yes, but they're old enough to feel inadequate for not "getting it" & old enough to begin thinking AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2014 #53
K & R LiberalLovinLug Apr 2014 #35
Yet more of the PURE SAVAGERY our Oligarch's are inflicting on the bottom 99% 90-percent Apr 2014 #36
For-profit Charters are more PRISONS than schools--FOR-PROFIT PRISONS nikto Apr 2014 #38
Thanks for posting this. russspeakeasy Apr 2014 #41
OMG!!! chervilant Apr 2014 #42
Sad you had to go through stuff like this. It's not okay to treat teachers like that. madfloridian Apr 2014 #44
k and r Iris Apr 2014 #43
This is why strong unions, sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #48
Thanks for posting this. thucythucy Apr 2014 #49
K and R thanks for posting Stuart G Apr 2014 #50
knr alfredo Apr 2014 #51
The principal coldly dismisses the deceased teacher as just a Teach for America Teacher - heartless. AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2014 #52
Non-union, I take it? aquart Apr 2014 #55
Actually I think they are union. madfloridian Apr 2014 #56
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. I wish...for the record, things are boiling over
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:34 PM
Apr 2014

In a few districts, and we have the second threat of strike in less than a year. Oh and an ugly divorce...

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. Things are boiling over in some areas of Florida now also.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:39 PM
Apr 2014

FL teachers are usually more accepting than most, just the way things are here. But I still have enough contacts and friends in the workplace from my teaching days....to feel the lay of the land.

I don't know if Democrats are just unaware of the building outrage....or if they are aware and don't think it matters.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
5. And I'm on a message board with nice teachers who knit
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:47 PM
Apr 2014

I fully agree with your assessment, from the Danielson Framework to outright hostility from MBA school officials, teachers all over the country have just about had it.

If the party as a whole is unaware of it, they're going to get a swift and difficult lesson in the not too distant future.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. Alex I will take two for $1000.00
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:47 PM
Apr 2014

Covering local politics, which apparently is what the penny saver does, has made me fully aware of the dysfunction. It is not pretty. People who care need to take over local boards of education, the party (at least locally, and I suspect locally is everywhere) want the big apple.

The dems abandoned planning groups, education, fire boards a while back. They sort of pay attention to city councils, and only in major cities. I don't think this is lack of understanding, but quite on purpose.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
10. One thing impressed me with DFA
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:45 AM
Apr 2014

was Dean's emphasis on the most local contests...school boards, city councils. When we were active with DFA we donated often to such candidates. He said it built a "farm team". I don't think it is emphasized anymore. We do need to build from the ground up.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Correct, triangulation demands
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:55 AM
Apr 2014

that policy come down, trickle down like, from the heights of Olympus...err DC. I know, I am a cynic.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
27. Even the concept of "farm team" is pretty feeble.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:54 AM
Apr 2014

As it implies that such government is important only as a basis for the "Big leagues."

Government that matters is local, and affects us every day. It's kind of amazing that a supposedly populist party like the Dems pays so little attention to local government. Whereas the far Right has it as a major platform of the Master Plan to seize school boards, townships, and other local agencies.

-- Mal

Fla Dem

(23,656 posts)
32. This is what the repug and tea baggers have been doing in the last 10 years.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 02:31 PM
Apr 2014

They are infiltrating local governments, city councils, school boards, planning boards, anything that has an affect on our lives and interacts with big businesses. Between ALEC and the Koch brothers they are buying local, state and city governments. They're turning our public schools over to for profit charter school businesses. State correctional facilities are run by big business and in order to turn a profit they have to keep those prisons filled. Some state highways and toll roads are going to big business. Our waterways are becoming sludge ponds for big business's toxic run off and no one does anything at the state level because they are paid flunkies of agribusiness and the oil business.

Pretty soon the street you live on will be owned by a big business and you will be directly charged for any maintenance and usage. Ok that hasn't happened yet, but the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in my lifetime.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. The DC Dems are aware, and are on the same side as the profiteers
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:53 PM
Apr 2014

they're pro-corporation, union-busting thugs just like their peers on the "other side of the aisle". In profitized health "care", care is delivered only when it doesn't interfere with profits. Profitized education works the same way. The education is an afterthought, coming in a distant 2nd (or third or so) to profits. The president and his pals Duncan and Rhee (and all the Repukes and many Dems) would like US education to be like its health care - expensive, low-quality, and a huge money-maker for the already filthy rich. And the entire government is keeping the labor market at a level at which if these teachers begin to discuss striking, they will be fired and replaced with even more desperate people. Outrage is healthy, but only if it can be harnessed toward a solution.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
45. They are aware and don't care...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:14 PM
Apr 2014

how else do people like Arne Duncan get their jobs? The rich want public education in this country killed, and both sides are trying mightily to make that happen.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
46. Democrats,
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:17 PM
Apr 2014

certainly at the federal level, have sold out K-12 education in this country for Wall Street and private foundation bribes. As regards public education in general, they are no better than republicans and are by far the bigger hypocrites.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
37. Just wanted to butt in here
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

And say that the beginning of the teacher/parent group that speaks on this starts about 1:54:30.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
13. This is exactly what is going on in a local school district here.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:18 AM
Apr 2014

A young, popular and successful teacher in his late 30s was taken to the hospital after he collapsed in class. They kept him in the hospital for a week. It was 'just' stress.

The stuff that is being done is almost incomprehensible.

The strategy is clearly to remove all teachers with more than maybe 2-3 years of service, because that's how they will
save money on the budget.

It makes me so sick to my stomach I can't even talk about it anymore.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
14. Often employers load people up with just too much so they will quit
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:37 AM
Apr 2014

It is a lot easier than letting them go. No threat of a lawsuit or complaints to government agencies. I have seen this many times during my various jobs. I have also observed people in authority starting a quarrel with an employee, saying very insulting things, very loudly. This is to embarrass the employee and hopefully bait them into retorting in anger. Hopefully, the situation will escalate and the employee will just walk off the job.

It is amazing the techniques now in place that a few years ago would never have been condoned in organizations that prized their reputation.

Sam

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
33. Most important is they don't have to pay unemployment benefits
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:02 PM
Apr 2014

if the employee quits, with notice, and doesn't file a claim against the company for mistreatment.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
16. Thank you for posting this thread
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:41 AM
Apr 2014

The teachers who spoke out are indeed people of courage. I hope something good comes from this, but the only thing that seems to matter today is profit. I strongly support public education, and having observed Rhee in DC, I have zero respect for her.

Sam

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. So much courage.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:07 AM
Apr 2014

Our last principal before I retired was a major bully. If anyone stood up against her coldhearted policies, the rest of the staff shunned them for fear of being persecuted.

I am glad to see groups of teachers having courage like this.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
21. It's so hard to believe that charter schools would act unethically
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:43 AM
Apr 2014

After all, we're told that they're models of efficiency and integrity.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
22. That kind of punitive attitude toward teachers also goes on in public schools now....
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:20 AM
Apr 2014

thanks to the "reformers". It angers me so.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
23. I don't doubt it at all.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:39 AM
Apr 2014

This sort of "competition" for "rewards" is a Libertarian wet dream and has worked so well in practice for such institutions as Sears...

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
26. I remember when it used to be socially unacceptable to be mean & nasty.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:35 AM
Apr 2014

Now they show it with pride, all the while wallowing in self-righteousness.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
29. Ethics? Integrity? Those might interfere with profit!
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:02 PM
Apr 2014

If flogging a few teachers will increase the students' test scores . . . well, the administrators have a duty to their shareholders to commence flogging.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
40. Charters schools shouyld be destroyed, and their proponents JAILED
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:06 PM
Apr 2014

I'd prefer drawing and quartering, but
I always was an idealist.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
28. I bet the school officials who bully the teachers claim to have a zero tolerance policy on bullying.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:57 PM
Apr 2014

It applies only to students, of course, and contains a star athlete exemption. You can't let unpopular weaklings try to get your starting quarterback or the center of your basketball team in trouble.

jopacaco

(133 posts)
34. When did teachers become an acceptable target for bullying?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:07 PM
Apr 2014

Thanks to these teachers for speaking out. They are courageous.
Nothing will change for public schools in this administration until Arne Duncan is gone. He has made a bad situation in education worse. We just gave the pilot test for the Common Core Curriculum. I think that the hidden purpose is to make public schools look bad (follow the money). 4th grade students are not developmentally ready to change fractions into decimals, do equations, or identify angles. When the test is implemented next year, our students will do badly and the push for more charter schools will accelerate.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
39. I only wish...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:04 PM
Apr 2014

The Public School deformers could be imprisoned for their crimes against America's children and families.

But no, they'll walk away with wad$ of ca$h while millions (who trusted the "deformers&quot suffer.

It's the American way.
Now.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
47. In 2009 when Arne Duncan was appointed. Yes, purpose of test is failure so private companies ...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:18 PM
Apr 2014

can take over. Before you can destroy a great American institution like public schools, you have to make them look bad.

Arne's policies have permitted it.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
53. Yes, but they're old enough to feel inadequate for not "getting it" & old enough to begin thinking
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:12 PM
Apr 2014

Math might not be for them & old enough to start disliking Math - Never even suspecting that they are being set up for failure. Thanks for nothing Arne

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
36. Yet more of the PURE SAVAGERY our Oligarch's are inflicting on the bottom 99%
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:45 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

These teachers show the power and strength of acting collectively. The American workplace is one of the most undemocratic on the planet. It's amazing how this system makes people treat other people like animals.

So much of American Management Practice makes me ask; Do these people think it is their job to be as mean to employees as humanly possible? Would anybody be proud of running a company that as part of it's management practices, tried to make people unhappy and miserable as possible? Why do they torture the people who's labor makes them money?

-90% Jimmy

PS - thanks for the term in the title, Noam!

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
38. For-profit Charters are more PRISONS than schools--FOR-PROFIT PRISONS
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:00 PM
Apr 2014

In many, many cases...True.

Unequivocal.

Unless you're an investor or fund manager.


If the #1 goal of the "school reform movement" was to weaken America from the inside,
it has succeeded brilliantly.

People who think high test scores = a great education, are profoundly naive,
and deserve the poor results they will have to live with, with their own children.



chervilant

(8,267 posts)
42. OMG!!!
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:26 PM
Apr 2014

That sounds EXACTLY like the treatment I got in my first year of teaching after completing my accelerated certification!!!!!!

WHY do school administrators think that it's appropriate to treat a teacher this way?!?!

I am so sad for the family of this teacher, and for all her colleagues, whose courage I find awe-inspiring.

Thanks for posting this, mad. (I miss teaching so much!)

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
44. Sad you had to go through stuff like this. It's not okay to treat teachers like that.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:17 PM
Apr 2014

It's not okay to treat students like that. This has become a mean society.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
48. This is why strong unions,
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:21 PM
Apr 2014

that are willing to fight for the interests of their members, are so necessary to any profession.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
52. The principal coldly dismisses the deceased teacher as just a Teach for America Teacher - heartless.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:03 PM
Apr 2014

This principal is no role model to our children. She is mean, vindictive and not what we want our children to become. She should do the right thing and resign.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
56. Actually I think they are union.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 05:33 PM
Apr 2014

Not sure about their union, but many have not stood firmly against the charter onslaught. Some have even made bargains with the reformers that the teachers found out about later.

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