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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:32 AM Apr 2014

Reaganomics killed America’s middle class

Reaganomics killed America’s middle class
This country's fate was sealed when our government slashed taxes on the rich back in 1980
THOM HARTMANN, ALTERNET


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If you compare a chart showing the historical top income tax rate over the course of the twentieth century with a chart of income inequality in the United States over roughly the same time period, you’ll see that the period with the highest taxes on the rich – the period between the Roosevelt and Reagan administrations – was also the period with the lowest levels of economic inequality.

You’ll also notice that since marginal tax rates started to plummet during the Reagan years, income inequality has skyrocketed.

Even more striking, during those same 33 years since Reagan took office and started cutting taxes on the rich, income levels for the top 1 percent have ballooned while income levels for everyone else have stayed pretty much flat.






http://www.relandothompkins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Wealth+Distribution.jpg

Coincidence? I think not.



MORE:
http://lategreatmiddleclass.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-end-result-of-unfettered-free.html
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/reaganomics_killed_americas_middle_class_partner/
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf

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Reaganomics killed America’s middle class (Original Post) kpete Apr 2014 OP
Actually, I blame free trade. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #1
I blame capitalism itself as well - TBF Apr 2014 #2
To that point, the death of Mao in 1976. Loudly Apr 2014 #6
I agree. bvar22 Apr 2014 #29
Correct. Bill left put the critical part... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #30
Then Europe would be a cesspool of inequality. It is not. pampango Apr 2014 #35
NAFTA, CAFTA, and everything AFTA. Trade policies completely disconnected from reality silvershadow Apr 2014 #39
It was Reaganomics. Greatest wealth in human history and it's now offshore. Octafish Apr 2014 #3
To visualize tha... JHB Apr 2014 #34
Ronnie Rayguns makes me wish there were an afterlife... 99Forever Apr 2014 #4
And no thanks to "Uncle Milty" nt 2naSalit Apr 2014 #5
How Reagan and those that voted for him killed the 99%. L0oniX Apr 2014 #7
As I've been saying since 1980: Itchinjim Apr 2014 #8
Only since 1980? malthaussen Apr 2014 #9
I was young and didn't know much about him. Itchinjim Apr 2014 #11
The election of Reagan was the most distressing during my lifetime -- I am 70. Maineman Apr 2014 #10
Maineman kpete Apr 2014 #15
Reagan was an "Affable Oaf" Stainless Apr 2014 #19
I also am 70 zeemike Apr 2014 #20
Totally Agree cantbeserious Apr 2014 #41
Yup. And on purpose: truebluegreen Apr 2014 #12
Low top tax rate inspires them to do everything else ErikJ Apr 2014 #13
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #14
I vividly remember his firing of the air traffic controllers brooklynboy49 Apr 2014 #28
He was the anti-FDR zentrum Apr 2014 #16
The "anti-FDR" kpete Apr 2014 #21
Thanks for your many posts kpete n/t! zentrum Apr 2014 #47
It's a lot of policies; but snot Apr 2014 #17
Those charts do an excellent job tracking Reaganomics' damage. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #18
That should have been in Obama's inaugural address yurbud Apr 2014 #22
Reagan was the start of the war on the middle class HelenWheels Apr 2014 #23
Kind of a no-brainer bkanderson76 Apr 2014 #24
Ryan Plan is Reagan on steroids ErikJ Apr 2014 #25
Big problem here jmowreader Apr 2014 #26
America's middle class killed America's middle class. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #27
It's Stockholm syndrome. Initech Apr 2014 #32
can you say lots or most or whatever? Skittles Apr 2014 #40
let's give an especial shout out to "reagan democrats" noiretextatique Apr 2014 #38
I know average working people who still revere the bastard deutsey Apr 2014 #43
Reagan should be vilified as public enemy number one. Initech Apr 2014 #31
King of the Pigs moondust Apr 2014 #33
Speaks to the reason the gipper is sanctified by the far right indepat Apr 2014 #36
Yep... K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #37
True, and every president since, regardless of party, has continued it Doctor_J Apr 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeckind Apr 2014 #46
Not just reaganomics and the shift of tax burden seabeckind Apr 2014 #44
Wow.... spixxen Apr 2014 #45
And They Voted For It, Too, Ma'am --- Twice The Magistrate Apr 2014 #48

TBF

(32,059 posts)
2. I blame capitalism itself as well -
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:38 AM
Apr 2014

but it is worth noting that for approximately 50 years give or take (roughly late 30s to early 80s) this country did contain capitalism somewhat with high taxes and regulations. It's the only way it has a prayer of working.

As soon as Reagan pulled the plug by cutting the capital gains tax substantially the die was cast.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
29. I agree.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 02:52 PM
Apr 2014

The de-regulation of International Trade, and to a certain extent Interstate Trade (Big Boxes),
was the knife that cut the heart out of America's Working Class.
MFN (Most Favored Nation Trade Status) with China was a devastating mistake.


I will NEVER forget Bill Clinton telling our Working Class,
[font size=3]"The American Worker CAN compete with any Worker in the World"[/font]
...and we can...just as soon as we get as hungry, miserable, and desperate as the Workers in the 3rd World.
We are almost there.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
30. Correct. Bill left put the critical part...
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 03:51 PM
Apr 2014

The contest is not between workers over who can work the hardest or smartest (and it escapes me how anyone would think subjecting American workers to this life and death struggle is a good thing) but between owners over who can spend the least. In any case, I seriously get tired of the empty talking points from both sides. The 'I blame Reagan and Reaganomics' nonsense is for Dittoheads and parrots. Every administration in HISTORY, both before Reagan and after, has had to make a decision about how much or little tax and regulation the government would and should do, and what programs government does well and which it does poorly. Reagan argued that the government of his day was a nit much, and that reducing taxes and simplifying the tax code would provide some stimulative effect. This isn't even all that interesting, and in fact he later decided that they had gone too far and taxes were increased..

That's some Armageddon level depravity there. It's amazing the world didn't end that day. Fortunately for all of us, we muddled through somehow, with each successive administration reconsidering the same questions (many times a year) and deciding how to move forward from there. But all of them--

ALL of them, Democrat and Republican alike--

Bound by the Titanium shackles of Reagan's preternatural and diabolical will. Or something.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
35. Then Europe would be a cesspool of inequality. It is not.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:44 PM
Apr 2014

The US also had terrible inequality in the 1920's when taxes were low and tariffs were high. There was little trade and the middle class suffered. The common factor then and now - low taxes on the rich.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
39. NAFTA, CAFTA, and everything AFTA. Trade policies completely disconnected from reality
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:39 PM
Apr 2014

have doomed us to this fate. (Among other factors). But it's all connected to the rich, the powerful and the well-connected. Always looking for another buck. We need a real economic policy "reset" imho. (Probably won't happen).

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. It was Reaganomics. Greatest wealth in human history and it's now offshore.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:41 AM
Apr 2014


"Trickle Down" economics was a "Trojan Horse" -- David Stockman

EXCERPT...

In the 1980’s Ronald Reagan ushered in a new era in American economics as he cut the top tax bracket from 70% down to 50% and then down again to 28%. In order to get support for doing this from the people, and also from politicians, a very crafty set of lies were produced. As David Stockman, then Reagan’s budget director, put it: giving small tax cuts across the board to all brackets was simply a “Trojan Horse” that was used to get approval for the huge top tax bracket cuts. “Trickle-Down” was a term used by Republicans that meant giving tax cuts to the rich. Stockman explains that:
"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."

"Yes, Stockman conceded, when one stripped away the new rhetoric emphasizing across-the-board cuts, the supply-side theory was really new clothes for the unpopular doctrine of the old Republican orthodoxy."

"…the Reagan coalition prevailed again in the House and Congress passed the tax-cut legislation with a final frenzy of trading and bargaining. Again, Stockman was not exhilarated by the victory. On the contrary, it seemed to leave a bad taste in his mouth, as though the democratic process had finally succeeded in shocking him by its intensity and its greed. Once again, Stockman participated in the trading -- special tax concessions for oil -- lease holders and real-estate tax shelters, and generous loopholes that virtually eliminated the corporate income tax. Stockman sat in the room and saw it happen."

"'Do you realize the greed that came to the forefront?' Stockman asked with wonder. 'The hogs were really feeding. The greed level, the level of opportunism, just got out of control.'"

CONTINUED...

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/trickle_down.htm



Now, thanks to NSA and a few people with integrity, we've got a pretty good idea where the money is. Let's tax it.



On My Mind

Tax Offshore Wealth Sitting In First World Banks

James S. Henry
07.01.10, 09:00 AM EDT
Forbes Magazine dated July 19, 2010

Let's tax offshore private wealth.

How can we get the world's wealthiest scoundrels--arms dealers, dictators, drug barons, tax evaders--to help us pay for the soaring costs of deficits, disaster relief, climate change and development? Simple: Levy a modest withholding tax on untaxed private offshore loot.

Many aboveground economies around the world are struggling, but the economic underground is booming. By my estimate, there is $15 trillion to $20 trillion in private wealth sitting offshore in bank accounts, brokerage accounts and hedge fund portfolios, completely untaxed.

SNIP...

This wealth is concentrated. Nearly half of it is owned by 91,000 people--0.001% of the world's population. Ninety-five percent is owned by the planet's wealthiest 10 million people.

SNIP...

Is it feasible? Yes. The majority of offshore wealth is managed by 50 banks. As of September 2009 these banks accounted for $10.8 trillion of offshore assets--72% of the industry's total. The busiest 10 of them manage 40%.

CONTINUED....

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0719/opinions-taxation-tax-havens-banking-on-my-mind.html



Either that, or bring out the tumbrils.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
34. To visualize tha...
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 06:47 PM
Apr 2014

Inflation:adjusted income tax brackets, 1942-2013



Close-up of selected years:



Number of brackets affecting ranges of income above the equivalent of $250K and $500K in 2012 dollars:

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
4. Ronnie Rayguns makes me wish there were an afterlife...
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:43 AM
Apr 2014

... where he's burning in Hell for all eternity.

malthaussen

(17,194 posts)
9. Only since 1980?
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:32 AM
Apr 2014

I was saying it when he was governor of California. And I live in Pennsylvania.

-- Mal

Maineman

(854 posts)
10. The election of Reagan was the most distressing during my lifetime -- I am 70.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:32 AM
Apr 2014

Reagan, George W + Cheney, and the current corporate controlled supreme court have done more damage to this country than anything or anyone I know of.

Stainless

(718 posts)
19. Reagan was an "Affable Oaf"
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:45 AM
Apr 2014

I was absolutely disgusted when he was elected and I whole heartedly agree with the OP. I wish there was a hell so Ronald W. Reagan could burn in it for eternity.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
12. Yup. And on purpose:
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:00 AM
Apr 2014

can't have the blacks and wimmins and students and hippies and environmentalists gettin' uppity...gotta keep 'em busy and besieged and in their place.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
13. Low top tax rate inspires them to do everything else
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014

Low top tax rate inspires them to be greedier and more willing to do anything it takes to get more billions $ including screwing over the rest of Americans.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
14. Precisely
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:28 AM
Apr 2014

it was indeed Reagan and the alarm bell was the PATCO strike, when he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.

 

brooklynboy49

(287 posts)
28. I vividly remember his firing of the air traffic controllers
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:01 PM
Apr 2014

And thinking, "This guy's an even bigger pig than I gave him credit for."

Is it no wonder that the pigs of today, the Cantors and the Ryans, worship at the altar of St. Ronald of Reagan?

We've been under siege since 1980. Good ole Billy didn't do much to reverse the direction of the country and, sadly, neither has our current president.

This country needs a president who is as radically left as Reagan was radically right. Personally, I would love to see a Sanders/Warren administration. But there ain't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. Warren, however, does have a legitimate shot. Let's get behind her and stop crappin' around with "bipartisanship". This is war. We need a general to take it to the enemy, not a "statesman".

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
16. He was the anti-FDR
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:32 AM
Apr 2014

I remember Tom Wolf saying, in retrospect, something like. "We, (the rich, the glitterati) all knew that when Reagan was elected it was going to be a huge party for us".

"Why?" asked his interviewer.

"Oh, the new tax rates---we didn't have to pay them any more."

Nan and Ron knew just what they were doing and the effect it would have for their friends----the oil guys who put Ronnie in office.

Used the new "Moral Majority" as a "virtuous" cover.

snot

(10,524 posts)
17. It's a lot of policies; but
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:35 AM
Apr 2014

de-funding public education and other public programs that helped the poor and middle class meant – surprise! – that we've been getting less help; things have been harder for us in various ways.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
18. Those charts do an excellent job tracking Reaganomics' damage.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:36 AM
Apr 2014

I just wish people would get off their ass and vote the GOP out of office. GOTV 2014!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
22. That should have been in Obama's inaugural address
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:53 AM
Apr 2014

"Reagan and president's after him gave a free ride to the rich, but now it's time to say to those Americans, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.' And actually, you don't even have to ask, I'm going to tell you, you coddled, inbred, morally degenerate trust fund babies. First, you will no longer be able to deduct cocaine and whores as a business expense on your taxes. Next..."

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
23. Reagan was the start of the war on the middle class
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:00 PM
Apr 2014

He also was responsible for the start of the downfall of Unions. Nasty, nasty man and he did it all with a Hollywood smile on his face.

bkanderson76

(266 posts)
24. Kind of a no-brainer
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:05 PM
Apr 2014

What else would ya expect when the man was nothing less than a bumbling Hollywood actor whose only highlighted achievement listed on his resume was his lead role in "Bedtime With Bonzo"?.....With his supporting actor played by a chimp.
Reagan sucked in Hollywood
Reagan sucked in politics
Reaganomics did kill the middle class and I'm thinkin that if Bonzo was smart enough to hand Ronnie the banana, then he was probably smart enough not to have voted for that clown.........a tad more smarter than the 44 million who did....idiots

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
26. Big problem here
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014

The Kemp-Roth Tax Cut was signed in August 1981. The president in 1980 would never have done such a thing.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
27. America's middle class killed America's middle class.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:22 PM
Apr 2014

They voted for Reagan and his party. They overwhelmingly supported him and his policies. And they would still if he were around today.

Reagan was an evil man, no doubt. But, people who should have known better enthusiastically cheered on their own demise for a few cents a day in tax cuts.

Blaming Reagan lets the people who backed him off the hook. Without them, he could have done nothing.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
32. It's Stockholm syndrome.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:14 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:39 AM - Edit history (1)

Reagan and his cronies held America captive during his two terms. While that happened most Americans fell in love with him, despite his dangerous policies and allowed treason against the United States government to happen on his watch.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
38. let's give an especial shout out to "reagan democrats"
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:51 PM
Apr 2014

who voted against their best interests, and their party, and the country. ironically, some of these folks dare to chastise people who voted for nader.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
43. I know average working people who still revere the bastard
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:16 AM
Apr 2014

People who weren't even born (or were infants) during his regime.

So he doesn't even have to be around anymore for people to support him.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
31. Reagan should be vilified as public enemy number one.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

Instead he's practically canonized by republicans as some kind if saint who got Americans started on this downward spiral of people voting against their best interests. A sad case of Stockholm syndrome if you ask me.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
42. True, and every president since, regardless of party, has continued it
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:07 AM
Apr 2014

So while blaming Reaganomics is acute, blaming Reagan is at this point missing the big picture.

Response to Doctor_J (Reply #42)

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
44. Not just reaganomics and the shift of tax burden
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:21 AM
Apr 2014

but the entire agenda.

EOs that gutted regulatory agencies

EOs that gutted the anti-trust oversight

Busting the unions that were the block for outsourcing

Lack of enforcement of labor issues

Environmental issues

Privatization of gov't functions

Sale of public utilities, primarily energy that funnelled tax money into private coffers

Etc

Whole bunch of reasons why we should dig him up and rebury him face down.

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