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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:37 AM Apr 2014

Michael Lewis: 'Wall Street Has Gone Insane'

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-lewis-wall-street-has-gone-insane-2014-4



Michael Lewis is only getting madder as he promotes Flash Boys, an investigation into high frequency trading and what he calls the "rigged" underbelly of Wall Street.
He has been on every talk show and financial news panel in the land, arguing with, among others, Bill O'Brien, the president of the Bats Global Markets stock exchange, about whether or not he and his cohorts are ripping off their customers. If the 53-year-old started off angry, opposition to the book has sharpened his stance into a moral crusade. "I find this story really upsetting," he says over lunch in LA, where his publicity tour just ended. "The idea that the smartest, richest elites of society find this an acceptable activity. This predatory activity."

If it's emotional for Lewis, then the responses have been emotional too, given how unequivocal his accusations are. The cornerstone of Flash Boys, which sold a staggering 130,000 copies in the US in its first week of publication, is a discovery made by an obscure Canadian banker, Brad Katsuyama, who noticed that whenever he tried to execute a trade, the stock price moved before the order went through.

A long and tortured investigation revealed that the variable speeds at which trading information travels down fibre-optic cables to the exchanges was being exploited by brokers and high-frequency traders – so-called for the volume of trades they make – to jump the queue, buy the stocks in question and sell them back at a higher price to the person who expressed the original interest.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-lewis-wall-street-has-gone-insane-2014-4#ixzz2zWW4lcjY
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Michael Lewis: 'Wall Street Has Gone Insane' (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2014 OP
he is pissing them off big time. On the networks like Bloomberg and CNBS, I would say the majority lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #1
I noticed that several of the commenters at the link IDemo Apr 2014 #8
Apologists for corruption lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #20
Yeah - Michael Lewis has been skewering Wall Street for Years el_bryanto Apr 2014 #2
And guess what? The lawsuits about HFT are starting. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #15
The game isn't broken, the game is fixed. n/t 99Forever Apr 2014 #3
Our President's first act was to "make whole" all the investments bankers who destroyed the world Romulox Apr 2014 #4
Punish him by electing liberal Democrats at every level IronLionZion Apr 2014 #19
and didn't even slap the wrist of SEC. Reform seems to be a dirty word to Democratic leadership. nt pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #35
I recommend this book. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #5
Excellent reading list, disxiegirl.. 2banon Apr 2014 #10
It's like pulling into a gas station and watching the price go up because you pulled in. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #6
That's a good analogy. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #38
One reason to favor a transaction tax. JEB Apr 2014 #7
+1,000 before your +1 registers;) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #14
Agreed. (nt) paleotn Apr 2014 #16
Yeah, what ever happened to that idea? kag Apr 2014 #18
Hell yes..... daleanime Apr 2014 #36
Good to see the face behind the voice I hear on the radio.. 2banon Apr 2014 #9
k/r marmar Apr 2014 #11
Not so long ago, you'd have had to tap a guys phone or bug his office to pull off trades like that. brewens Apr 2014 #12
Now you just use your checkbook jmowreader Apr 2014 #32
What does it say about our society... Jerry442 Apr 2014 #13
Love his books, but.... paleotn Apr 2014 #17
+1 Johonny Apr 2014 #28
It's a feature, not a bug alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #21
Capitalism is INSANE, buddy. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #22
Want to really get disgusted ? Trust Buster Apr 2014 #23
imagine what jails would look like Skittles Apr 2014 #24
Country Clubs? YOHABLO Apr 2014 #31
YOHABLO NAILS IT Skittles Apr 2014 #34
No need to incarcerate ALL of them nikto Apr 2014 #37
Who is the one to address this and rectify the practice? n/t SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2014 #25
K&R burrowowl Apr 2014 #26
+ 100000000000000000000 russspeakeasy Apr 2014 #27
Greed is good, that is the mantra. Rex Apr 2014 #29
Rigged blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #30
K&R'd. snot Apr 2014 #33
K&R Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #39

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
1. he is pissing them off big time. On the networks like Bloomberg and CNBS, I would say the majority
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:58 AM
Apr 2014

of the financial guests they have on dis Michael Lewis and his assertions. He definitely touched a nerve

Some of their arguments are outrageous, for instance:

"when we had specialists, they were far worse than the flash traders"

So that is their justification? That says everything about the greedy bastard on wall street

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
8. I noticed that several of the commenters at the link
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:07 AM
Apr 2014

are essentially calling him a know-nothing. No surprise there, whether it's "Business Insider" or "CNN Money".

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. Yeah - Michael Lewis has been skewering Wall Street for Years
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:02 AM
Apr 2014

Back to Liar's Poker - but usually in the aftermath. Wall Street doesn't mind when you talk about how bad they used to be; what he's doing now is talking about how bad they are, and they don't like it.

Bryant

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
15. And guess what? The lawsuits about HFT are starting.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:44 AM
Apr 2014

I am so enjoying this....one can always count on the eventual arrival of the karma train.


Bank of America and the New York Stock Exchange were among dozens of exchanges, brokerages and traders sued over high-frequency trading by the city of Providence, Rhode Island, over claims they rigged securities markets to divert billions of dollars from buyers and sellers of shares.

Scrutiny of high-frequency trading and whether it gives some investors unfair advantage intensified this year amid government probes and the March 31 publication of “Flash Boys” by Michael Lewis.
The lawsuit filed yesterday is one of the first by an institutional investor since U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder in March promised Congress a full investigation into whether high-frequency traders violated laws against trading on inside information.

One defendant in Providence’s complaint, Virtu Financial Inc., a high-frequency trader that delayed its initial public offering, has received inquiries from the office of New York’s attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, according to a person familiar with the matter. Schneiderman announced last month that he’s investigating high-frequency traders.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has said it’s looking into whether firms that engage in high-speed trades get an improper jump on other investors by using information about their trading to make profits.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-18/bofa-nyse-brokerages-sued-in-high-frequency-trading-case.html

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
4. Our President's first act was to "make whole" all the investments bankers who destroyed the world
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:07 AM
Apr 2014

economy.

Who is listening to Michael Lewis?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. I recommend this book.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:29 AM
Apr 2014

Lewis writes in plain english, with wit, and makes this finanacial story very clear, even if people don't like readng "finance books".

The other 2 writers who are so good at money tales are Matt Taibbi and Michael Hudson.

Taibbi just came out with The Divide, I have not browsed it, but it should be good.

He has also written:
Griftopia, "A brilliantly illuminating and darkly comic tale of the ongoing financial and political crisis in America"

The Great Derangement: A Terrifying True Story of War, Politics, and Religion

Smells Like Dead Elephants: Dispatches from a Rotting Empire

Spanking the Donkey: Dispatches from the Dumb Season

Michael Hudson wrote The Monster: How a Gang of Predatory Lenders and Wall Street Bankers Fleeced America--and Spawned a Global Crisis


laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
38. That's a good analogy.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 03:26 AM
Apr 2014

Except I would say the price changes as soon as you start pumping the gas into your almost-totally-empty-so-you-can't-go-anywhere-else tank.

It's a total scam.

Right now, the way our markets work and with the flow of information, we have (it's from the efficient market hypothesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis ) what I was taught a semi-strong market. That means, other than insider info, every one is getting the same information at the same time and it's very difficult to make a buck without insider information. Or....without exploiting computer 'glitches' like this. If these greedy bastards can't make a buck in the market as it is currently because of a level playing field for everyone, they WILL cheat. The game is rigged.

kag

(4,079 posts)
18. Yeah, what ever happened to that idea?
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

Haven't heard much about it lately? We need to do it, and fast.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
9. Good to see the face behind the voice I hear on the radio..
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:10 AM
Apr 2014

His voice is deceptively young sounding.. Yesterday I heard him during an hour long interview hosted by City Arts and Lectures series in San Francisco, broadcast on KQED radio. In his occasional reference to his past publications covering events a couple of decades ago, I would be taken aback, thinking he was too young to even be working much less writing about behind the scenes shenanigans in the financial markets.


I'd love to see some of the video clips on Bloomberg and CNBC etc facing off with those asshats on the subject.

brewens

(13,582 posts)
12. Not so long ago, you'd have had to tap a guys phone or bug his office to pull off trades like that.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:19 AM
Apr 2014

It might not technically be illegal because of new technology making it possible but it should be.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
13. What does it say about our society...
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:39 AM
Apr 2014

...that some of the most successful and respected people in it are basically casino operators running rigged games?

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
17. Love his books, but....
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:17 PM
Apr 2014

...his subjects are sometimes a bit behind the curve. Nothing wrong in that. Most people are.

Even this is a little stale....Wall Street's newest scam....uh, I mean securitized investment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/08/wall-street-figured-out-how-to-securitize-your-rent-should-you-worry/

Robert Hockett says it best...

"We don't want to become a landlord-tenant culture, a sharecropper society. It's kind of like medieval Europe, where a few large financial institutions own everything, and we just rent from them."


Forget about ever owning again ( a middle class family's largest and most important investment ) that is unless you want to pay way more than the house is worth. That's the only way to beat out the all cash vultures who want to buy your dream home and then rent it to you, turning you into a virtual serf. Eventually, we'll end up like some giant banana republic, with 1% owning all the land and housing stock, and the rest of us own virtually nothing.
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
21. It's a feature, not a bug
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 03:12 PM
Apr 2014

Every damn decade we now have to have this discussion: X thing that Wall Street does is CRAAAAAAAAZZZZY! No, the whole fucking thing is destructive BY design. It is an insane way to run a society and allocate resources. It's stupid. Capitalism is fucking stupid and destructive, and wall Street is its ultimate manifestation. The violence that Wall Street thinking inflicts on populations isn't an accident. It's structural. It;'s how capitalism actually works: by murdering and stealing from others.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
22. Capitalism is INSANE, buddy.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:05 PM
Apr 2014
- That's the first symptom. And it's always fatal -- for others.

K&R

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
23. Want to really get disgusted ?
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:18 PM
Apr 2014

Read Matt Taibbi's "Griftopia". He writes in plain English how Wall Street has seized control of the commodity markets and manipulate the price of oil and food commodities. He discusses why we were paying $4.50 a gallon in 2008. All Wall Street manipulation for reasons of their own profiteering. A must read.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
37. No need to incarcerate ALL of them
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 02:42 AM
Apr 2014

We still have The Death penalty---That could keep the prisons from being unnecessarily crowded.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. Greed is good, that is the mantra.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:15 AM
Apr 2014

Of course it is insane. Trying to pretend it deals with the human aspect is laughable. Human capital is disposable capital to a conglomerate.

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