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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:13 PM Apr 2014

Banning chocolate milk at school can backfire

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Total daily milk sales declined by 9.9% (p<0.01). Although white milk increased by 161.2 cartons per day (p<0.001), 29.4% of this milk was thrown away. Eliminating chocolate milk was also associated with 6.8% fewer students eating school lunches, and although other factors were also involved, this is consistent with the notion of psychological reactance.

Conclusions

Removing chocolate milk from school cafeterias may reduce calorie and sugar consumption, but it may also lead students to take less milk overall, drink less (waste more) of the white milk they do take, and no longer purchase school lunch. Food service managers need to carefully weigh the costs and benefits of eliminating chocolate milk and should consider alternative options that make white milk more convenient, attractive, and normal to choose.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0091022

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Banning chocolate milk at school can backfire
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Banning chocolate milk at school can backfire (Original Post) The Straight Story Apr 2014 OP
If we outlaw chocolate milk, only the outlaws will have milk chocolate. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #1
Ban all milk, juice and sugary drinks rainy Apr 2014 #2
Not sure if serious.... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #5
First world problems eh? alp227 Apr 2014 #14
I'm sure we could whip out some multivitamin gruel... Hip_Flask Apr 2014 #15
What? Offering healthy food is conformist, alp227 Apr 2014 #19
couldn't agree more... handmade34 Apr 2014 #33
Serve them all Malk... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #41
how about just water ? JI7 Apr 2014 #3
I work with a second grader and the only milk he drinks is chocolate kimbutgar Apr 2014 #4
My 6 yr old nephew has a serious chocolate addiction, giftedgirl77 Apr 2014 #7
Can't someone just make chocolate milk that isn't loaded with tons of sugar? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #6
We have been reading the labels and at least the choc milk doesn't have high fructose corn sugar kimbutgar Apr 2014 #9
It's still 200 calories, which just isn't necessary Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #10
it's totally necessary for my child, who does not eat lunch because the medication she is on kills msanthrope Apr 2014 #20
Okay, obviously there are people who need high calorie drinks for various reasons Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #21
Certainly not too much to ask. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #22
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You seem concerned. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #24
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If they aren't eating their lunch yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #29
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It was the only milk I could choke down Warpy Apr 2014 #8
I learned to hate white milk at school RoverSuswade Apr 2014 #11
Milk isn't good for you beyond infancy. phleshdef Apr 2014 #12
You cannot assert that it simply isn't good for people beyond infancy. There certainly are health Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #13
Unless you're a member of a genetic group that is lactose-intolerant Scootaloo Apr 2014 #28
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I simply AM asserting it. phleshdef Apr 2014 #36
"Most dairy is just a bunch of fat. " NickB79 Apr 2014 #39
OK, but you can get vitamin from dairy. You're gonna have a hard time convincing this middle-aged Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #40
Not true Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #27
... handmade34 Apr 2014 #30
I'm the same way, milk is horrible stuff Warpy Apr 2014 #32
Chocolate vs.white newcriminal Apr 2014 #16
twice the sugar and 1/2 the fat? lunasun Apr 2014 #35
I think you've presented the best post here - hedgehog Apr 2014 #38
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Honey is for Bees. Eggs are for Chickens. seveneyes Apr 2014 #26
i used to love choco milk. MFM008 Apr 2014 #34
I don't see how. It's shit. flvegan Apr 2014 #37

alp227

(32,023 posts)
14. First world problems eh?
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:34 PM
Apr 2014

Parents can pack their own sugary drinks if schools won't sell them. At the parents' own risk of course.

 

Hip_Flask

(233 posts)
15. I'm sure we could whip out some multivitamin gruel...
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:39 PM
Apr 2014

.. And just go whole hog.

How utterly tedious and indicative of the mindset regarding teaching and students nowadays.

Bland, bare minimum and above all... Conforming

alp227

(32,023 posts)
19. What? Offering healthy food is conformist,
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:55 PM
Apr 2014

as opposes to being the right thing to do?

I don't follow your logic.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
33. couldn't agree more...
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:23 PM
Apr 2014

no need for any of them...

and none of that wasteful bottled water... just good ole fashioned water... good hydration, quenches thirst and is healthy... we have been sold a very unhealthy bill of goods, thinking we need milk or juice

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
4. I work with a second grader and the only milk he drinks is chocolate
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:37 PM
Apr 2014

He is a little doughy guy and a fussy eater but I'd rather see him drink the milk rather than not eat his school lunch. Some days I'm begging him to eat something.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
7. My 6 yr old nephew has a serious chocolate addiction,
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:44 PM
Apr 2014

at some times I believe an intervention may be in order . However, he only gets it in moderation, won't touch soda, doesn't like any candy other than chocolate & thinks he's a mix between Sonic & the Flash. I am a firm believer in moderation & activity.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
6. Can't someone just make chocolate milk that isn't loaded with tons of sugar?
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:40 PM
Apr 2014

We do things to healthy foods all the time to make them taste better that result in the addition of some calories, sugars, fats, etc. Nothing wrong with doing that, it's just about finding the right balance. A little cocoa and a little sweetener can make milk (especially skim milk) taste a whole lot better and get kids to drink it. And in general, that's probably a good tradeoff. But they don't need each carton of milk to be sweetened with the equivalent of 5 packets of sugar. That's just overdoing it.

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
9. We have been reading the labels and at least the choc milk doesn't have high fructose corn sugar
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:50 PM
Apr 2014

Or bovine growth hormone.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
10. It's still 200 calories, which just isn't necessary
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:59 PM
Apr 2014

It's the same way that it's completely unnecessary for a Coke to have 240 calories, it's just excessively sweet. There's a soda brand called Grown Up Soda that makes sodas with 90-98 calories and they're delicious. No reason somebody couldn't make a lower calorie chocolate milk. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. it's totally necessary for my child, who does not eat lunch because the medication she is on kills
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:59 PM
Apr 2014

normal appetite.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
21. Okay, obviously there are people who need high calorie drinks for various reasons
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:00 PM
Apr 2014

I'm just saying, they should make a lower calorie alternative. Is that so much to ask?

Response to msanthrope (Reply #20)

Response to msanthrope (Reply #24)

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
29. If they aren't eating their lunch
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:15 PM
Apr 2014

Then they need to add the Chocolate back. Big deal 200 calories. Kids burn calories like crazy. I would say backfire indeed.

Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #6)

Warpy

(111,257 posts)
8. It was the only milk I could choke down
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:44 PM
Apr 2014

and then it would give me cramping and diarrhea just like plain milk did.

I'd have had a lot less diarrhea if the school had banned it.

RoverSuswade

(641 posts)
11. I learned to hate white milk at school
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:11 PM
Apr 2014

because it was out on a tray without any refrigeration and was always warm when you got to your seat - therefore it tasted like crap. That's why I always took chocolate when available.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
12. Milk isn't good for you beyond infancy.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:16 PM
Apr 2014

The oldest people in the world reside in a region of China where they have pretty much no dairy at all in their diet.

Myself, I might have ice cream once in a blue moon and a little bit of butter on some veggies, but in general, I hate dairy.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
13. You cannot assert that it simply isn't good for people beyond infancy. There certainly are health
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 09:23 PM
Apr 2014

benefits to be attained from including dairy in one's diet.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
28. Unless you're a member of a genetic group that is lactose-intolerant
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:12 PM
Apr 2014

...Which includes most people in the world, beyond Europeans, some Africans, and a handful of south Asian ethnic groups.

Not everyone can chug down cow milk like they're some sort of Swedish dairy farmer, you know.

Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #13)

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
36. I simply AM asserting it.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:53 PM
Apr 2014

You can get all the vitamins dairy provides in much healthier ways.

Most dairy is just a bunch of fat.

Dairy consumption increases insulin resistance.

The healthiest populations are mostly populations that consume little to no dairy.

NickB79

(19,240 posts)
39. "Most dairy is just a bunch of fat. "
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:12 PM
Apr 2014

And?

We've seen the results of the "low-fat diet" trend for 40 years, and it's been an abject failure.

So much so that Sweden is rejecting it altogether: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
40. OK, but you can get vitamin from dairy. You're gonna have a hard time convincing this middle-aged
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:19 PM
Apr 2014

Wisconsinite that dairy is the devil. I'm not saying to consume mass quantities is the way to go, but a little aged cheese or greek yogurt go a long way toward my happiness, and I am quite sure I do derive some nutritional benefit from milk based products. You can live life without Ben and Jerry's if you want. I'm just not interested in that lifestyle.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
27. Not true
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:11 PM
Apr 2014

If you are a Northern European, or are a member of another herding culture, you have co-evolved with cows to be able to digest milk efficiently into adulthood.

Warpy

(111,257 posts)
32. I'm the same way, milk is horrible stuff
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:22 PM
Apr 2014

and I've been lactose intolerant since I was five. I can tolerate aged cheeses and yogurt and I've tried to teach myself to like them with varied success rates. I do like ice cream but I only get it when I'm constipated.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
38. I think you've presented the best post here -
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:01 PM
Apr 2014

but what are you thinking, introducing actual facts to an internet discussion!

Seriously, not every child can or should drink any milk, so water should be available (and please, not bottled water!) There also has to be some thought given to how to provide alternative sources for the nutrients milk provides.

For the kids who prefer chocolate milk to white milk, I don't see the harm.

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
34. i used to love choco milk.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 10:35 PM
Apr 2014

come on schools whats next making kids eat muddy leaves? Wash it down with monkey urine...lets not get crazy here......

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