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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone remember where the "Shoved Down Our Throats" talking point started?
It is so overused now I can't remember where it started. I think it was only about 3-4 years ago but I can't place the exact topic where everyone started using it.
First page of Google shows too many different topics to pin down the original. https://www.google.com/#q=talking+point+shoved+down+throats
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)But I'm only guessing.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and I'm now on Medicare.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)And I hate it every time she says it. It sounds gross. Perhaps I am taking it a bit too literally.
There was definitely one issue that it became the talking point for a few years ago. I'm not sure if it was the ACA or gay marriage or what? There was one week where every GOP talking head/Rep used it in reference to one topic and since then every pundit uses it for every topic that comes down the pike.
It has been bugging me because there is a new set of commercials for some "Reduce your Tax Debt--We'll negotiate with the IRS" company, where the "citizen" says "I didn't pay $75,000 in taxes and the IRS came after me, I called company X and they got the IRS off my back!" It is much the same to me where someone doing something wrong is euphemistically "attacked" without taking responsibility for their part in the whole affair. I don't like it.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)is pretty old... old enough to have a pretty thick rind on it.
I heard it wen I was a child in the 50s.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)ButI just don't remember it being used by a bunch of 70 year old Senators every other week. I still think it got injected into political discourse some time in the last 5 years. Maybe it was the Tea Party? But the GOP certainly ran with it.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)I think I started hearing it at the beginning of the Affordable Care Act debates but surely at the beginning of the Obama Admin. ...seems to be about the time I started hearing it from the mouths of that crowd.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)I just did a quick search from 2007-2010 and it seems to be related to ACA and of course Obama. Such crass language would never of been allowed in mainstream political discussion before Obama.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8039408
Balloon Juice also goes back to around 2010. http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/03/22/were-gonna-ram-it-ram-it-ram-it-up-your/
I just hate that term being used for every single thing some one doesn't like in the political realm. That the MSM goes along with it just bothers me. I want a real 24/7 news network again. I wish Al Jazeera or BBC (barely) was on mid-tier cable rather than top-tier cable. Seems to me any station that actually has and educational value rather than reality t.v. is relegated to the top-tier. $80/mo. is enough for mid-tier, I can't justify any more than that for cable that is mostly crap programming. Even stations like Science which I once longed for are going to crap reality programming.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)TeeVee was a waste of $$ and brain cells so I haven't had one for years... 1980 to be precise. On occasion there is something I want to see but it's more often than not something I can access online and if it isn't, it's either something a friend is going to watch and I'll go to their place or I decide that it's something I can live without.
I have a great advantage by not being anywhere near a city of any size, I actually have more choice... at least I think I do.
And, on my no-income at the moment lifestyle, cable is out of the question, DSL costs half as much as you pay for cable and I get more out of it than I could from a receiver.
But back to the topic, I think that there were a bunch of disrespectful terms and rants that became the status quo after the 2008 election simply because we managed to break the norm of the system which made the hate screamers, with no options but to throw temper tantrums all over the place, blow their collective gaskets... seems it's all they know how to do anymore. They instigate fear and hate and won't have it any other way until they get back to old, white, rich guys driving us into the sunset of humankind as their "chosen one".
gvstn
(2,805 posts)Narrowing down the dates, it appears Sarah Palin was the one who injected that term into mainstream politics on March 18, 2010. You stay classy Sarah. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/03/18/palin-calls-health-care-process-undemocratic-and-un-american/
Google results from Feb 1 to March 30, 2010 other than porn videos it is Sarah Palin that uses that term: http://tinyurl.com/n744uge
Edit: I stand corrected it must have started before March 5 but I am sure Sarah Palin had something to do with it becoming a MSM "meme"--she was a media darling at the time; I've just never heard language like that used in mainstream political reporting before that. http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/bzzz-thats-just-wrong-on-health-care.html
I've narrowed down the issue to be the ACA so I am good on figuring out when it became "acceptable" rhetoric.
Thanks for your help.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)Thanks for identifying where it came from.
It figures it was some political trash from ignoranceville... I only mean that as a half-hearted slur back at her in particular. All the more reason to write her off as a candidate for the loony-bin. Who brought out the ultimate in disrespect in political speech this time around, why who would be surprised that it was Caribou Barbie herself? Gosh, if she had a brain, she'd actually be dangerous.
Sorry, I have been disgusted by her from the day she hit the national scene.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Or that's where it really took hold.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)"they" have been using it to describe how ruthless we 'gays' have been in pursuing our 'special rights' for several years now. I think it started back in the '70's with some politicians....
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)called to complain about the number of stories about teh gay being aired..."I'm tired of having those gays shoved down my throat!"
So stupid, she didn't get the irony.