GAME OVER, Warrenista Liberals!

[MannyGoldstein]

As we all know, the lefty moonbats and I have come a long way together. It's not always been happy trails, but... well, but nothing, those people make everything suck. In any case, it's over for them, and good riddance. Yesterday, on national TV, their Queen Elizabeth, that difficult woman from Massachusetts, not only gave up her presumptuous run for president, she endorsed Hillary as the best presidential candidate ever, swore a blood oath of fealty to the Clinton family and the rest of Wall Street, and apologized for her general insolence towards America's bankers.

What a day!

Yes, I know this has been covered in other posts today by good DUers, but these might have been a bit confusing to you little people: it is difficult for the very-smart to understand which nuances will flummox the very-feeble-minded, and further, to explain those bits of subtlety in the small words needed for this audience.

So here I am.

And here's the epic exchange:

Interviewer: “Do you think Hillary Clinton would make a good president?”

Queen Elizabeth: “I think Hillary Clinton is terrific,... We gotta stay focused on these issues right now...”

There it is! Game over!

Now some of you might still be a little shell-shocked, and not quite "get it". (I get that: after so many months of worrying about that woman possibly ascending to even higher office, it's dizzying to believe that that our long national nightmare is over in a flash.) You're thinking:

"Now wait a second... Queen Elizabeth didn't actually answer the question! That sure sounds like a well-rehearsed polite non-answer, followed by a quick deflection of the conversation in another direction."

Hardly!

Well here's where I earn my (ample) pay: beyond being wise in the ways of finance, banking, and strengthening social safety nets, I'm also quite learned in the fields of psychology and communications. It turns out that there's a lot of research about what happens to narcissists at the moment they realize that the jig is up. (Don't look up that research, the NSA did it and only we insiders know about it.) And what we saw, my little friends, is exactly what happens. Warren simply crumbled, unable to answer a direct question.

Add this to the secret letter of encouragement to Hillary that Warren co-signed and the case is closed. As Roy Orbison sung, my vanquished Liberal friends, It's Over. (Actually, ELO did a song called It's Over, too. Both pretty good. I kinda think Orbison's mournful song is more appropriate in this case, but ELO will work too. But not without the orchestration, it would definitely suck a capella.)

Well, in any case, now that we don't have to live in constant fear that everything we've done to for you people in the last two decades is in jeopardy, we real Democrats can get back to the hard work of strengthening America.

We are the Champions!

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[SidDithers]

1. Meeeee! Look at meeee!!!!...nt

Sid

[neverforget]

5. Oh the HORROR! A member posted a post on a discussion board!!!!

[msanthrope]

7. Look....a shiteload of threads died today.....have some respect!!! nt

[Capt. Obvious]

8. Not many do look at you

[sabrina 1]

91. Aw, be fair. I eg, totally depend on Sid to let me know what OPs I need to rec

and who I should listen to.

He's like a barometer for Progressive Dems, he lets us know who is on the right side of history and who isn't. If it wasn't for Sid I would have to plow through so many comments to find out who is on our side and who isn't.

Iow, if he's mad at someone eg, that's an automatic rec.

Everyone serves a purpose. You just have to be creative about how to use them.

Eg I saw Sid's comment and knew I absolutely had to rec this OP without even reading it.

[Art_from_Ark]

129. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

You just brightened my day with that post

[truebrit71]

158. I shall add him to the list of barometers...

...there are others as well that I keep off the ignore list specifically for that reason!!

[Raksha]

199. LOL! I knew there was a reason I haven't put Sid and a few others on ignore yet.

Thanks for spelling it out.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

206. Too much fun laughing at them and fucking with them. You know, treating them as they like

treating others.

[MohRokTah]

55. +1,000,000,000,000 eom

[rhett o rick]

202. I hope you are being sarcastic. nm

[SixString]

83. Few here can see you ,dithers.

As I recall, quite a few here have you on ignore.

[sabrina 1]

93. Lol, true, but I have never used ignore. I depend on certain people to let me know which OPs I need

to rec.and which I need to pass by. Eg, A Sid comment expressing anger towards an OP is an automatic rec. Saves time, don't even have to read if I'm in a hurry. Sid doesn't like it, bingo, it needs a rec.

Lol!

[SixString]

131. He does provide a good benchmark for rec-worthy threads

[ljm2002]

87. If you want more people to look at you...

...try making an OP. It also doesn't hurt if there's a little content, say at least a couple of sentences, preferably coherent.

[sabrina 1]

94. Lol! n/t

[sabrina 1]

89. Aw, poor Sid.

Oops, almost forgot, Rec for the OP.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

102. Nobody wants to look at you. You haven't produced a single useful post since

I have been a member here and for several years as a lurker.

So, stop jumping up and down and being jealous because somebody else might have something more intelligent to say than you do.

[Electric Monk]

108. Posts like yours are what he lives for, so he can have them hidden and laugh and laugh and laugh.

/just sayin

[Flying Squirrel]

123. I've been on enough juries to know

... That an alert on that post would fail, 1-6 or 0-7. Maybe 2-5 at best Should I alert on it just to prove myself right? I am kinda bored.... Hmmmm... But if I'm right, it will fail 0-7 and I'll be locked out of this thread won't I? Then I couldn't return to say 'I told you so!' Isn't that the way it works? I'm so conflicted!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

151. I was just on my first one a day or two back.

And the post was definitely rude, but still got to stay 4-3, so I guess the 'rudeness' ruler isn't an absolute thing. You've got to be very rude to get hidden, I guess.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

164. He can try to have my posts hidden all he wants. That won't change the uselessness of his

entire contribution to DU since his first day here. He has produced not a single useful comment. Period.

Here is the sum total summation of his contribution here: (And the emoticon is given to him free, so he doesn't even have to think at all). He's got 31,997 posts, 29,000 of which consist almost entirely of


So, alert away. It's not going to change anything except the truth maybe being hidden.

And, BTW, I'm going to point out the uselessness of his contribution every chance he gives me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

190. Juror #6 ... I'm the jerk??? Hahahahahahhaaa! I especially liked Juror #4's response:

> Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
> Explanation: If you are going to be as relentlessly obnoxious as *** some pushback should be expected. Post should stand.

[Jackpine Radical]

187. If that's all it takes to get him t jump up & down,

we oughtta figure out a way to harness him as a power source.

"So, stop jumping up and down and being jealous because somebody else might have something more intelligent to say than you do."

[rhett o rick]

209. It's not nice to jump on someone when they are down. It's been a hard few months for The Group.

They cant discuss fracking, the XL Pipeline, the TPP, inequality caused by an out of control Wall Street, the rogue NSA/CIA/FBI, Patriot Act, etc. All they got is hatred for Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, Michael Hastings, and OWS.

[Electric Monk]

215. I hope 'they' read your post here. I think you summed it up rather well. nt

[wildbilln864]

122. oh shit...

gotta k & r! thanks sid!

[marble falls]

124. The great and powerful Sid has spoken. Just stay away from the curtain. "Look at me" is your ....

theme, Sid. Your posts are about 80% on Manny's threads and they usually have no opinion or information attached. You think you're a commentator when all you are is a half assed sniper.

[Maven]

126. Oh look, it's our resident Stephen Harper fan.

[dionysus]

128. nailed it. nt.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

168. If posting useless commentary is considered nailing it, then yes, he did. nt

[scheming daemons]

145. first post wins the thread... good job, Sid

[rhett o rick]

180. "Wins the thread"?? I guess it depends on what game you guys are playing.

I wouldnt say it's a good job even if he was going for "trite distraction."

[L0oniX]

160. Oh ...your still here.

[Kahuna]

179. LOL!

[BKH70041]

2. Glad that's settled.

[msanthrope]

3. You Better Believe It!!!!!!nt

[Obnoxious_One]

4. This thread is Awesome in so many ways.

Thanks for the laughs.

[Fumesucker]

14. Welcome to DU!

[blue14u]

32. Welcome to DU....

#VOTEBLUE2014

[BenzoDia]

6. This is what passes for political discussion here?

[msanthrope]

9. Yes. And the rec count is proof of something, too. nt

[Capt. Obvious]

10. You must have emoticons turned off

Usually political discussion is just a string of here.

Occasionally it gets changed up with some "+1"s

[Fumesucker]

13. +1

[Capt. Obvious]

17. Walked into that

*

*TM infringement

[rhett o rick]

183. LOL

[Electric Monk]

12. Two shows daily! Don't forget to tip your waiter, and please, try the fish :)

[joshcryer]

16. No this is trolling via an "alter ego."

The political junkies don't take it too seriously.

[Capt. Obvious]

20. You don't speak for this political junkie

[joshcryer]

28. Eh, if you do I don't consider you a junkie.

DU has little real world influence.

[Capt. Obvious]

29. "DU has little real world influence."

Some who utter that sentiment often sure don't act like that's the case.

Might as well shut the site down or convert it to something else then.

Oh, and no offense taken.

[joshcryer]

40. No offense intended.

This type of discourse wouldn't go far politically.

[Fumesucker]

47. It's a little too "inside baseball" but Manny is mining memes here on DU for material

For his intended audience Manny is cogent and funny, if you haven't spent time hanging out here enough to know the games and the players it's so much gibberish.

[joshcryer]

59. Sure thing.

The self-congratulatory hive doesn't rise to a level of discourse I find compelling. This, btw, applies to any group that does it. Manny just has the largest following.

[Capt. Obvious]

65. I could have missed it

but I haven't noticed you in the other hives.

[joshcryer]

72. Really?

Hives of Assange, Greenwald, Snowden, Chavez, Putin, Gaddafi, all I have actively criticized in their active hive threads.

[Fumesucker]

67. If the memes weren't there then Manny couldn't mock them so effectively, eh?

The "self congratulatory hive" are the ones Manny is mocking.

[MannyGoldstein]

79. I have hives?

I sense a HIPAA violation.

[DJ13]

137. I sense a HIPAA violation.

I've violated a few hippos in my day, but how do you violate a HIPAA?

[joshcryer]

88. I dunno, the junkies knew Warren wouldn't run.

So when Manny gets excited and mocks a caricature of a poster (yes there are a few posters here like that, but they don't represent the group as a whole), I go "meh."

Worse, if you take the opposite argument of Third Way Manny's argument, you'd have to believe the completely asinine theory that Warren doesn't want Clinton to run or that Warren didn't pledge not to run.

[Fumesucker]

90. There may be only a few posters like that but they are extremely active

It really doesn't matter who runs from an economic perspective, anyone allowed to do so will be firmly under the thumb of the 1%.

Make your decisions on social issues because the economic ones are going to have a range of choices all the way from right wing to screaming nutjob right wing.

[joshcryer]

92. I think we need to drop the personality cults.

Warren, for instance, is no more liberal than freaking, literally, Third Way Mark Udall (who, btw, I voted for and who I do consider having done good things, particularly his stuff on wiretapping; that doesn't make me a Third Way person though; as a Democrat on the Intelligence Committee Wyden probably pressed him to a degree on the issue, and it's obviously an issue Democrats care about).

The personality cults, the messaging, the imaging, though, it wouldn't tell you that politically, Elizabeth Warren, the populist anti-banking political force of nature is less liberal than Amy Klobuchar and former Blue Dog Kirsten Gillibrand!

That's why all of this is such bullshit, because in the end, I bet you, that we're going to love Clinton's presidency.

[MannyGoldstein]

99. If, by some measure, Warren is less Liberal than Klobuchar and Gillibrand

Then that measure is broken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_validity

Kaput.

[joshcryer]

104. See what I mean? The measure is objective.

That's My Congress is quite literally an up and down test of liberal inclinations done as objectively as possible (ie, whether one is supporting something or not supporting something; not their opinion about that something, literally their acts, their physical support, such as signing a piece of paper with a pen).

But you deflect about an objective test and call it broken because Warren is just so much more liberal than anyone else, the measure must be broken! Talk about a personality cult!

And let's be clear here, let's be really clear here, they don't even measure the vote, they measure sponsorship, which is quite literally the easiest thing for any Senator to do legislatively.

Warren has shown more support for Hillary Clinton than she has the environment (The Climate Protection Act), campaign finance (Follow the Money Act), and FISA transparency (Ending Secret Law Act). All because she signed a private letter and has failed to sign cosponsorship of these laws.

[MannyGoldstein]

113. I once saw it proved, objectively, that Detroit is the best place for skiers to live.

I think they used the average distance to all the major ski mountains in the US, so Detroit, being north and between the Northeast and Western ranges, ended up placing first.

It was objective. And @#$%ing nuts. But objective.

A *secret* letter to Hillary is more important, in your mind, than a public letter telling the White House to cut the bullshit on Keystone XL? Demanding that we throw bankers in jail is meh?

Seriously?

Broken.

[joshcryer]

135. Have a problem with That's My Congress score methods?

Because I think the methods are sound.

Calling out Keystone XL is a very easy commitment, it sells well with liberals, and it will go through, it's already set in stone, the thing is practically complete, just need to connect it up. Likewise, calling for the bankers to go to jail is easily done, because it won't happen, since it was some 6 years ago and any prosecution hinges on bank fraud. The FCIC report only mentioned mortgage fraud, and as I established, Obama has made more mortgage fraud prosecutions than anyone.

If Warren really was serious about getting the bankers she should run for President and announce it now, before Clinton has a chance to do so. The statute of limitations for financial institution fraud is 10 years. That means the next President will have at most 2 to 3 years to prosecute. The investigation to something 7-8 years prior will be daunting, it could take two whole years to even do the investigation and it would cost tens of millions if not more than a hundred million to do it. Once the charges are made the courts would be tied up for another decade. By then, the old codgers who did the fraud will probably wind up like Kenneth Lay...

[Fumesucker]

100. I'm on my way to tuning out of all this

DU is a bad habit I'm having trouble dropping but I find myself less and less motivated to discuss things. Mostly these days I'm around for the food fights like this thread, they're still entertaining.

I'm going to just be a happy idiot and struggle for the legal tender to quote Jackson Browne.

[joshcryer]

106. I miss grantcart.

I think as we get closer to the elections I'll tune out GD.

[tblue37]

117. One of my favorite posters on DU. Where did grantcart go? nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

153. You start out pretty good.

Politics should be about policy, not personality.

And Warren is indeed no super-liberal, she just happens to be one of the best we've got on the economics of wealth inequality at this point in time.

But then you went to 'loving Clinton's presidency' which only works for me if you define 'loving' as 'somewhat less bad than the alternative'. Is she going to reverse the trend of all of the money in the country flowing uphill to any significant extent? Or is she going to back policies that continue that flow? Her past history doesn't look encouraging, unless she's had some pretty major epiphanies, and is willing to ditch TPP, KXL, and other legislation that preferences corporations over humans.

[rhett o rick]

217. Pledges not to run are as valid as pledges to roll back the Patriot Act. But that said,

Sen Warren is a Democrat and would need the full backing of the Washington the DC, Democratic Machine. I have a hunch they have explained to her that it isnt her turn. Now if she could get Goldman-Sacks-O-Money to switch to backing her and not H. Clinton, I am sure the Machine would listen.

[joshcryer]

220. A pledge is more than a statement.

Warren literally pledged not to run, months ago, she actually used the word "pledge."

It is true Warren knows she can't raise as much money as Clinton (2016 will probably be a 2 billion dollar campaign). But that doesn't prevent her from running. In fact, by not running she is showing that she doesn't really care about getting the bankers (unless she endorses Clinton in exchange for said prosecutions, but we wouldn't know about it for years).

[rhett o rick]

222. I dont expect her to run unless we have a miracle, but not because she pledged.

Obama pledged a lot of things as a candidate. Things change and pledges are modified. But there is a Democratic Organization in Washington the DC as there is in every state and probably most counties. Those that run the organization and their financial backers decide on who gets their endorsement. This is Clinton's election and if Sen Warren runs against her it will piss off the Organization and she cant afford that.

I am hoping we can launch a draft Warren campaign and if it gets enough attention, maybe, just maybe the DC Democratic Machine will pay attention, but I doubt it. To save our lower classes from serfdom we need drastic changes.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

152. Why would you shut it down?

"Little influence" is better than no influence. I would agree that blogs in general have little real world influence, but they do have some, and every little bit helps. I haven't seen DU in an election cycle, so I don't know if you guys do fundraisers, phonebanking, whatever, but while I've been here, I've noticed that the site serves as a pretty decent political news aggregator. And being informed is better than being ignorant, so that 'little' amount of influence still might be enough in some small ways if the right information winds up in the right hands.

[Beacool]

31. Ain't that the truth, and thank goodness for that!!!

[Capt. Obvious]

33. Tell Skinner that

[BKH70041]

37. Amen

[Number23]

61. I've been terrified and fascinated by the number of times I've agreed with you lately.

And here is another one of those times. What is going on?

[Egnever]

81. IKR

[Number23]

118. I knew the warm feelings wouldn't last long

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4857670

[hfojvt]

19. you are, of course,

free to start your own OPs.

Or even to add some substance to ones that already exist.

[Autumn]

21. Here's political discussion for you. It has lots of pictures, even a cartoon

since satire is not your forte.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024842035

The REAL political junkies just LOVE it.

[BenzoDia]

23. Well obviously the OP is joking.

Thanks for playing though!

[Autumn]

53. Oh dear. My apologies, I thought you were new.

Good thing I didn't welcome you to DU.

[BenzoDia]

54. It's okay :). Just jumping in on the fun.

[Autumn]

60. Bodhisattva Goldstein confuses some people.

This was his word as taught to us by one of his other followers

"To hide from truth is to know truth. This is the First Precept of the Third Way™." ~ Bodhisattva Goldstein

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4843981

[daleanime]

66. "We're not worthy!!!"

[AverageJoe90]

22. Well, there's been worse, TBH. (But it's not all bad here, though! Keep reading.)

Apparently some people here believe.....in literal "white privilege" amongst other things. There's also a few climate doomers who feel a sacred duty to decry reasonable discussion of climate change as "minimizing" or "greenwashing", etc., and also accuse the IPCC of not telling us the full story about the potential severity of climate change, etc.

So yeah, we've got a few nuts. But even so, DU is still a genuinely decent place overall and we do manage to stick together, so welcome aboard.

[1StrongBlackMan]

85. Yes, some do believe in "literal white privilege (whatever the heck that is) ...

seems that the only ones that don't believe in the concept of white privilege are white guys (and their agents) that fight to defend the privilege by denying it exists (while interestingly acknowledging its elements.)

[bettyellen]

115. and male privilege..... Been there, seen that!

[noiretextatique]

195. gasp...you mean the people who benefit most

From white privilege claim it does not exist funny...they are in perfect harmony with the rw on that issue.

[hatrack]

95. Blocking you from the Environment Group was enjoyable . . .

Putting you permanently on ignore is going to be even more satisfying.

Have a super day.

[AverageJoe90]

119. Sure.....whatever you say, hatrack.

I guess you couldn't handle the honesty. Ah well, no loss there.

[Marrah_G]

26. It's called humor

[BenzoDia]

36. Ummm, you sure?

[Marrah_G]

148. absolutely

[sabrina 1]

98. And it passes with flying colors being that it upsets all the 'right' people. n/t

[BenzoDia]

107. I would argue that my simple post has sparked more discussion than anything else in this thread.

Look above!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

112. Well...

[BenzoDia]

114. Guess I'm passing with flying colors too!

[bettyellen]

116. I enjoyed it more the the OP, so thanks!

[BenzoDia]

120. You're so very welcome!

[MannyGoldstein]

125. That cuts to the bone

You're a cruel person.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

103. Don't like it? Dont' let the door hit you in the ass on your way to a better venue. nt

[BenzoDia]

109. Don't let the apostrophe hit the t in the ass!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

110. Boy, you sure did come back at me!

[L0oniX]

161. Uhmm ...you are in GD ...not Politics 2014

[rhett o rick]

182. It's real easy to avoid these threads, but more fun to complain. nm

[Beacool]

211. Yep, it's all B.S.

It's going to be a loooong two years. They keep flogging that dead horse ad nauseam. If Liz Warren swears in blood that she has no interest in running for president, they still wouldn't believe her.

[BenzoDia]

218. But on the plus side, there's a good laugh to be had at how some of this is playing out.

[WillyT]

11. Well Done... K & R !!!

[Vashta Nerada]

15. Excellent post!

[Paulie]

18. Game over man!

[Fumesucker]

24. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

It's not over as long as we can take off and nuke the entire site from orbit!

[Scootaloo]

77. It's the only way to be sure!

[Marrah_G]

25. lmao

I love your posts TWM

[hfojvt]

27. Tammy Baldwin was a member of the Progressive Caucus

she is now a Senator. In 2007 or 2008 she endorsed Hillary Clinton in the primary.

I fear that Clinton will be the nominee and when that happens Warren will be all on board and be no more critical of her from the left than she has been to Obama.

[Fumesucker]

30. I was thinking of a different Queen song

&feature=kp

[2banon]

34. Excellent Satire, Manny

[YOHABLO]

35. This is nothing new folks .. she endorsed Hillary months ago .. pay attention pay attention

[Fumesucker]

41. Double secret endorsement

[Otelo]

38. Left unsaid in OP is the fact that Warren encouraged Hillary to run

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/in-secret-letter-senate-democratic-women-rally-behind-hillary-clinton/

The Warren supporters who despise Hillary (which Warren doesn't) do not want Hillary to run (because she's a dynasty or something) and do not think she is terrific in any way (because her she and her husband is corporate this or that).

In short, there is a real, deep gap between what Warren thinks about Hillary vs. what her most ardent internet supporters think.

[Fumesucker]

43. Welcome to DU!

[MannyGoldstein]

45. Not true!

I most certainly mentioned the secret letter in question. Of course I didn't reveal many details, because I'm sworn to secrecy, of course.

Can you imagine what would happen if that letter got out, and the Russkies knew that Elizabeth Warren encouraged Hillary to run? Or if al Qaeda knew? It would be worse than Ted Cruz getting hold of a Middle English dictionary.

[Otelo]

51. By "some guy" you must be referring to Mrs. Kay Hagan (D-NC)

Your suggestion that the letter may be a hoax rests on very flimsy grounds:

"Hillary Clinton is careful to avoid discussion of her plans for 2016, but other female Democrats—particularly her former Senate colleagues—have no such compunction.

“All of the Senate Democratic women have written her a letter encouraging her to run,” Senator Kay Hagan of North Carolina told a crowd of more than 200 women at 583 Park in New York City on Monday afternoon. "

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/10/8535171/emilys-list-event-no-doubt-about-hillary-2016

[MannyGoldstein]

76. Yeah, I forgot that Hagan spilled the beans.

I'll update my OP, thanks for the correction.

But it is still secret.

[Otelo]

86. Ok

[blue14u]

64. Welcome to DU....

#VOTEBLUE2014

[Dragonfli]

39. Now that that difficult woman has finally learned her place

Perhaps she can help us to convince Lloyd to join the ticket!

Just think, Clinton/Blankfein 2016! Talk about our dream ticket!

I know, I know, it should really be Blankfein/Clinton 2016 I agree with you in principle, but the little people do not know as much as we do about how much White House experience Lioyd actually has, humble man that he is it, is not general knowledge among our lessers that he has practically run the Executive branch for several successive terms, Jamie may get a little jealous, but that would just be Jamie being Jamie, we'll just give him some more cuff links or maybe Air Force One to play with, the little things usually calm him right down.

Too much, too early always frightens the little people, but I think the time is right to have him to continue leading this country to greatness with an office in the west wing, he will still get to spend as much time in the oval office as he does now, and he will still get the last say on deciding policy, but his commute time will be shortened by moving his office and it would only be considerate to think about making his job easier.

What do you think?

[zeemike]

63. Clinton/Blankfein 2016...that's the ticket.

At some point they will take down the curtain so why not now?

[stillwaiting]

142. Blankfein just needs to be somewhat left on social issues and then it's all good.

See: Bloomberg.

It's way too easy for them today.

Basically, things will continue to get worse for most overall relating to financial security. As if that hasn't been happening for 4 decades now.

[MannyGoldstein]

73. It's a hell of a start!

It could be made into a monster,
If we all pull together as a team!

[Dragonfli]

172. Hey you Whitehouse, ha ha charade you are

[MannyGoldstein]

185. I hadn't listened to that in ages

Too dark. I do listen to lots of other Floyd, though, both Barrett and post-Barrett.

But your post got me to listen to Animals again. Unbelievable music. So appropriate for our time.

Thanks!

- Manny

[GoneFishin]

42. Kick.

[djean111]

44. Bwahahahaha!

Thank you!
The onliest thing funnier is thinking that "Terrific!" means that Hillary is not a Corporate Third-Wayer after all!

[Iggo]

101. But if Clinton is third way, then Warren's a liar!

Or something...

[djean111]

141. Isn't it cute how judiciously the "liar" label is flung about?

Or hilariously obvious. Or something.
I think it would be wise to call the whole "Warren says TERRIFIC!" thing (with the rest of her reply conveniently omitted, of course), a giant fail, as far as convincing anyone at all the Hillary is not a corporate Third Wayer. Please.

[hootinholler]

171. Liar? no in that other thread someone said

She's a ratfucker.

[zeemike]

46. This post needs the song...

"It's Over"


Your baby doesn't love you anymore
Golden days before they end
Whisper secrets to the wind
Your baby won't be near you any more

Tender nights before they fly
Send falling stars that seem to cry
Your baby doesn't want you anymore
It's over

It breaks your heart in two, To know she's been untrue
But oh what will you do? Then she said to you
There's someone new We're through We're through
It's over It's over It's over

All the rainbows in the sky
Start to weep, then say goodbye
You won't be seeing rainbows any more
Setting suns before they fall, Echo to you that's all that's all
But you'll see lonely sunset after all

It's over It's over It's over It's over

[Historic NY]

48. Looks like Manny is getting on the hill-train...

[RobertEarl]

52. It was inevitable

Manny will be assimilated.

[Dragonfli]

62. Well..... Resistance IS futile

[Rectangle]

69. All anti-"Third Way" talk will be exterminated........

[TheKentuckian]

49. Yup, focused on the issues is where it is at and a pol will always be there to supply if there is

is enough demand be it Warren or Warren as a proxy until willing and able picks up the standard.

Secretary Clinton has been on the national stage for a generation and hasn't dropped a hint that she is inclined on the economic issues and as such can't be depended on to advance the ball for the people.

[Otelo]

50. moved

Posted in wrong place within the thread.

[bahrbearian]

56. K&R

[MohRokTah]

57. .

[blue14u]

58. Hillary ...... She's terrific....

The endorsement of the century..



Yes.. thats the ticket...



#VOTEBLUE20142016

[99Forever]

68. Third-Way Manny,

Perhaps your finest work to date. My hat is off to you, sir.

[Amak8]

70. I don't really get the cult of personality around Hillary.

Her biggest "accomplishment" is voting for the Iraq War. She spends her time "giving speeches" to private equity firms for $150K. Do people believe her routine is worth that amount and that the finance industry isn't expecting a ROI?

BTW, the quote means nothing. Warren has class and isn't going to trash her before officially declaring. And she's smart: she knows the optics of a woman criticizing another woman in politics will have the MSM proclaiming CATFIGHT!

[blue14u]

71. ^^^THIS^^^

butbutbut... she's terrific...





VOTEBLUE2014

[840high]

84. I used to think she

was terrific.

[MannyGoldstein]

74. Sorry, I'm calling BS.

She gets $200k per speech.

$150k is disrespectful.

[Vashta Nerada]

82. You're absolutely right.

[blue14u]

97. Welcome to DU...

#VOTEBLUE2014

[L0oniX]

163. Same group that worships and follows after Hollywood stars?

[gtar100]

75. Here's a thought... the presidency isn't the only game in town.

It seems the trouble in Washington DC is mostly caused by herds of idiot senators and *cough* *cough* representatives. A Warren and a Sanders in the thick of things may be just about right for our country. The president ain't no king, ain't no queen. We've all been bamboozled by Saint Ronnie if we think the power to change things rests simply on the Potus. An important piece on the game board for sure, but not always the winning piece. It seems we gave up a rather robust and active Democratic House because too many people didn't give a shit about anything but the Presidency. So I say, who the fuck cares about 2016 right now, we've got ourselves a juggernaut to contend with right here, right now, 200 days away and counting. So fuck all these distractions with Clinton and Warren and Sanders. In good time... but not now.

[djean111]

78. I don't care what Warren and Clinton think of each other.

I only care about their respective policies.
Even if Warren directly gushed about Hillary all the time, I would still dislike Hillary's Third Way corporate Wall Street ties.
THAT is the issue - the policies. All the rest is tired political posturing. Not helping Hillary's fans cause, either.
The premise that the "Terrific!" was anything but a deflective non-answer is pretty lame. So lame, maybe it is a trial balloon to see just how non-Hillary fans are thinking about Hillary these days.
NAFTA, TPP, Keystone, Wall Street - more important than signed secret letters or "Terrific!".

[tridim]

80. Who cares. Lets win back the House in 2014. Actual important stuff. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

96. knr

[Samantha]

105. Al Gore repeatedly said in 1991 he absolutely would not run in 1992

Then one day while out fishing in his canoe, he received a phone call from a guy named Bill. But it was Bill who caught the really big fish that day, and Al ended up only eating his words.

While standing in the political arena, one should never say never.

Liberal Sam

[AverageJoe90]

121. TBH, I still think a Warren run would be interesting.

Hopefully enough moderates would still support her for her to win even if we didn't get a landslide.....

[nomorenomore08]

111. Liking aspects of a person doesn't mean you agree with the whole package.

But some folks unfortunately seem too simpleminded to realize this.

[dionysus]

127. "look at meeeeeeeee!!!111!11!111!!!!!"

[Electric Monk]

130. Sid already played that card. What else have you got? nt

[dionysus]

132. it's all the OP does, his attempts at satire suck, what more do you want?

Will can do it way better and actually mean it, this dude's just trolling for attention on a daily basis.

PS Even though Sid is Canadian, he supports US Dems more than half the cardboard cutouts on here.

[Electric Monk]

133. 85 recs and counting would beg to differ with your opinion, but thanks for playing.

Parting gifts are available down the hall and to your right

[dionysus]

134. you maybe don't get it. I think Warren or Bern would be great people to run, too.

that's not what annoys me. 85 recs on a message board doesn't mean jack squat.

[Vashta Nerada]

136. How many recs do pro-Hillary threads get?

[dionysus]

167. don't know, don't care. Recs haven't meant much of anything since they got rid of the Unrec feature.

ps I like Bernie, Warren, and to a lesser extent, Hillary.

I'd probably vote Bernie as my first choice in a primary, but they've not much of a chance again Hillary. Then again, we don't know if any of them are even running.

I just think the self attention seeking attempts of satire aren't done very well, and are meant to mock other DUs via poorly created characatures, or strawmen. that's all.

[Bobbie Jo]

188. Who cares?

Some people seem to use this board as their own junior high popularity contest.

[LordGlenconner]

159. That's not fair

He's at least as funny as Bob Hope or herpes.

[Number23]

205. !!

Bob Hope! Now there's a name I haven't heard in many a moon.

[JohnnyRingo]

138. I must apologize.

I recently accused you of deflecting every issue to attack the president. It's obvious now that I was wrong, and I'm sorry for saying so.

Still, in the spirit of debate, I think I should argue about the merits of Roy Orbison vs Jeff Lynne, but since they were both in The Traveling Wilburys, one of my favorite supergroups, I think I'll let it go this time.

Clever use of snark and sarcasm. Points and kick for composition.

[MannyGoldstein]

207. I hadn't even thought about that connection

Both great talents, thought very different. I don't think Lynne got the credit he deserved in the long run, for some reason the reputation of orchestral art-rock gas not aged well, but I still love the stuff. Earlier tonight in the car I was listening to ELP until our son made me take it off.

[JohnnyRingo]

208. Jeff Lynne focuses more on production now.

He and Harrison co-produced the Wilbury albums, and both left massive fingerprints on the work, but Lynne never really went back to performing.

He's put that distinctive production DNA into a lot of people's work during his life, including The Beatles, Orbison, Harrison, Starr, Duane Eddy, Tom Petty, McCartney, Del Shannon, and Joe Walsh. I've always been a fan of his extended talent.

[reddread]

219. this is exactly why corporal punishment belongs in the toolbox.

At the very least tied to a chair for Pictures at an Exhibition all night long.
Kids these days!

[Enthusiast]

139. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[MannyGoldstein]

191. What. A. Voice.

Wow.

[joshcryer]

140. Warren's "medical device tax" response on Stewart disgusts me.

Talk about used car salesman. What a joke.

If anyone wants to question it, read this article first, then watch her response on the episode of the Daily Show: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/17/opinion/the-myth-of-the-medical-device-tax.html

Warren's "pro manufacturing" screed is quite literally the lowest of the low. No wonder she scores no higher than Mark Udall as a liberal on objective based That's My Congress. I'll now be looking in to why she is against the environment in her failure to cosponser environmental legislation. Mass. must have some interests at heart that have manipulated her.

The sad part? She admitted that the lobby is strong, and fell short of admitting she is affected by it.

[Progressive dog]

143. Thanks for letting us know about the secret letter

of encouragement, but having Elizabeth call Hillary terrific was encouragement enough.
I think they're members of the same political party, too.

[IronLionZion]

144. Warren just started recently as a Senator

and has lots of work to do. Not everyone wants to be POTUS, especiallly considering the endless lies and sabotage Obama has to deal with. Hillary wants it more than anyone I have seen. Plus people can govern very differently as president than they did in their home states. This has happened with many presidents. Its easier to be liberal in Mass. than POTUS.

Run someone else in the primaries, or support the many liberal options in downticket races and referendums. A more liberal congress can force everything to shift left. If they pass liberal legislation, is a moderate Dem going to veto it? And that starts with more liberal state legislators and other offices. If you want America to turn left, it has come from the local level, not the top.

Single payer will also come from the states. Just like gay marriage, pot legalization, immigration reform, and other similar issues.

[woo me with science]

146. I'm ashamed of myself for laughing.

The Third Way desperation is absurd, self-immolating. Calling attention to it is as uncomfortable as tweeting pictures of the kid who eats his own boogers.

Shame on you, Manny. Shame on you.

[Hotler]

147. Someone from the PTB goon squad had a talk with her and....

told her to tone it down and remember her place. That same person will have a talk with Stephen Colbert and he will tone it down also. I have no hope. I see no future.

[warrprayer]

149. my new motto -

Nikos Kazantzakis' epitaph: "I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."

[Arkana]

150. Aren't you worried that all this anger might put undue stress on your heart?

Maybe you should get some anger management counseling rather than venting your spleen through a disparate personality on a message board. Just saying.

[tclambert]

154. Ah, but when a politician says they aren't running, isn't that proof that they ARE running?

And saying, "She's terrific" is politician-code for "I want to destroy her and all she stands for." So when Warren says she's not running and she supports Hillary, she really means she IS running and HATES Hillary.

Because, you know, sometimes people mean exactly the opposite of what they say.

[hootinholler]

155. You forgot the other part where Queen E ratfucked Hillary

As pointed out in another thread.

Such dastardly conduct.

[truebrit71]

156. Absolutely fucking brilliant!!

Very well done indeed Manny!!

[Bobbie Jo]

157. Stopped reading

after "blood oath of fealty."

Good gawd.

[L0oniX]

165. Your op is pissing off people...

and I like that.

[Autumn]

175. That has got to be the best thing about any OP by TWM

it just infuriates people, they are drawn like moths to a flame.

[jmowreader]

166. How many times did she say she wasn't running for president?

[RufusTFirefly]

169. Sorry, but it simply isn't compelling without at least four or five recursive blue links

That's just the way it is, TWM.

(+1,0000!)

[ProSense]

170. All kidding aside,

"Well, in any case, now that we don't have to live in constant fear that everything we've done to for you people in the last two decades is in jeopardy, we real Democrats can get back to the hard work of strengthening America. "

...please consider kicking and rec'ing this thread:

The Revolt of the Cities
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024859982

It's an article about how progressives are making a comeback in municipal elections. At the very least, the article is well worth reading.

I'm surprised it's basically being ignored.

[RufusTFirefly]

173. Victory is ours!!!

Hail! Hail! Freedonia! Land of the brave and free!!

[MannyGoldstein]

184. Every time you post that stuff I crack up

Thanks!

[Stellar]

174. I do LOVE Queen Elizabeth Warren!!!

Yes I do. What a woman!

[davidthegnome]

176. Well Manny...

I've always thought that your satire tends to hit the nail on the head - and this post is no exception to the greatness I've expected of you. You don't disappoint.

On a serious note though... I do wonder what the end result would be of a Warren presidency. I remember being several years younger, jumping up and down with the excitement of the man who wrote "The Audacity of Hope". I remember long arguments with my parents (both Clinton supporters) and huge battles here at DU. I remember how much crap I went through at the convention in 2008. I remember how hard I worker - how hard so many of us worked, to get this President elected. His campaign was exciting, his promises were wonderful. His ideas, his intelligence, what appeared to be a sincere compassion for the less fortunate.

Now... as I pass the years in this economy, it seems to me that it really doesn't matter so much who the President is, as how the rest of the elites decide they want to work (or not work, as the case may be). We have a lazy, pathetic congress that on the occasions when they actually work, are more eager to obstruct anything useful. We have a Senate that has huge bickering matches about things that should be so very simple, so very easy and rational - like passing an extension on unemployment, raising the minimum wage a bit for our people who are becoming so damned poor.

I like Warren, I like a lot of her ideas, I admire her passion and her strength. I do not dislike Hillary, but I do believe she would be more of the same old politics and lack of real forward movement.

The things I believed in, fought for, worked for, prayed for... back in 2008, when we declared victoriously, "Yes we did!" turned out to be battles that weren't even really fought. Instead of a single payer health care system, a public option, some kind of way to insure poor people without breaking the bank... we have this immense new system to reform the insurance industry. A lot of people are saving some money, but a lot are not. A lot of people are insured now, but a lot are not. Whistle blowers are not protected, medical marijuana is still under assault, the Military Industrial Complex continues to grow in power and size on a level that is just unbelievable.

The rich get richer and the poor get screwed. When I was younger, I believed we could change things, I believe we could fix everything and turn our slowly decaying society and economy into a Utopia. Now, generally, I think to myself, "Eh, same shit, different year."

I'd love a Warren Presidency, but I think it's unlikely that she will run. Even if she does, I have very little faith in our voting system. The Media will put on a huge dog and pony show, and basically the rich and mighty will decide for us who wins.

The game, it gets old.

[MannyGoldstein]

186. Well David...

I feel your pain.

I guess we won't know until she's in office, if that happens. In 2008 I favored Obama once the race narrowed to three candidates, but always with the caveat (I'm on record here at DU) that he was an unknown quantity. A few things that make me feel better about Warren:

1. When Obama was running, a good friend of mine who's almost always ends up being right even though he sounds nutty when he initially says stuff, told me that Obama was a prepackaged candidate from the banking community in concert with Dick Gephardt. Sounded crazy at the time, but now... In any case, he's very skeptical of Warren because he doesn't see how someone can become so poular unless they're dirty, but he's found nothing dirty after months of searching.

2. Warren actually got the CFPB started.

3. Warren's has a decade or two track record of writing about how the middle class is getting screwed.

4. Warren doesn't just speak in platitudes. She gets specific: when was the last time you took the big banks to court?

In the end, it's our country. I want it back. I think we should give it our best shot.

[The CCC]

177. GAME OVER, Warrenista Liberals!

Romney will run in 2016. Thank GAWD and some at DU for President Romney.
(Sarcasm off)

[DeSwiss]

178. K&R

- I've always thought Hillary was a great guy myself. But I didn't know Elizabeth was into mountain-climbing too!

Fantastic! She'd make a wonderful addition to some institution!!! Some day!!!

[davidthegnome]

181. Wait. What?

[DeSwiss]

193. !

[indepat]

189. TPTB shan't tolerate the insolence of an Elizabeth Warren-type voice

[Peacetrain]

192. Dear old Manny... I have the feeling that if E. Warren DID get the Democratic nomination

{She says she is not running..but that can change and as a Democrat if she won, she would have my vote.. } that there would be Elizabeth Warren is a traitor posts all over the place and you would be putting the first ones.. No one is perfect, and they have to deal with party politics and platforms.. and even then with the opposition who has a vested interest in their failure.

Just saying.. reality bites sometimes..

[kickysnana]

194. My fault entirely.

When she and Dean came out for Charter schools last week I sent a scathing fact filled letter asking her how she could sell out on Public Education last week and evidently she read it and realized that the Dems would not support her if she did not support the destruction of Public Education she thought it over and realized she wouldn't actually go through with it and therefore could not win and she just crumbled.

So sorry.

[MannyGoldstein]

196. I don't think EW is in favor of charter schools.

There was a confusing article the other day by the right-wing crazies that implied she did, but she only supports students having a choice of which public school they go to. As far as I know.

I'd be very interested in you linking to anything different.

[iandhr]

197. I thought when you click full ignore on a persons profile you will no longer see anything they post.

Apparently not.

[MannyGoldstein]

198. My OP was more awful than conceived of when

that software function was written. The OP blew through that protection like a hand grenade through a catcher's mitt.

[ancianita]

200. This week's The New Yorker reviewer of her new book calls her pro-voucher stance reckless. Here

is the link. It's all the other stuff that mattered more to me, though.

In the spring of 2009, after the panel issued its third report, critical of the bailout, Larry Summers took Warren out to dinner in Washington and, she recalls, told her that she had a choice to make. She could be an insider or an outsider, but if she was going to be an insider she needed to understand one unbreakable rule about insiders: “They don’t criticize other insiders.” That’s about when Warren went on the Jon Stewart show, and you get the sense that, over that dinner, she decided to run for office.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2014/04/21/140421crbo_books_lepore?currentPage=all

[MannyGoldstein]

201. But it doesn't say *why*.

Odd.

[ancianita]

203. I agree. It stood out as his most virulent opinion in the review. Perhaps he thinks the audience

is already familiar with the issues, so he's just keeping to the paragraph topic about example of what she might have to rethink.

[Utopian Leftist]

204. Warren is a true progressive

She has the soul of a liberator and the intelligence to finally put to the test the liberal economic ideals that the left has been promoting, but that even leftist Presidents such as Clinton and Obama have shied away from. I'm talking about raising social security and minimum wage, among other things. Consideration of a living wage, etc. These ideas are progressive because we know that a living wage promotes a healthy middle class. This is no longer even disputed. Progressive economic policies are good for workers and therefore good for America overall. NO WONDER the Republicans hate them so!

The only candidate I know who might conceivably be more progressive on the majority of issues, is Bernie Sanders. But obviously the stigma of being a Socialist will be a huge roadblock towards his candidacy for President.

[Beacool]

213. And pray tell, how would she accomplish al that?

Will she wave a magic wand and poof, Congress will just agree. Ask Obama how things have gone for him.

[Hosnon]

210. Is this an inside joke?

Eh

[Beacool]

212. No, that's just what passes for edifying posts on this site.

Endless navel gazing and imaginings about people who either a) have no interest in running for president or b) have zero chance of getting the nomination. Take your pick.

Whatever keeps them occupied.......

[uhnope]

214. why does this MannyGoldstein guy try to sabotage the Democrats every chance he gets?

[Electric Monk]

216. google orwell

[Rex]

221. TWM blows dogwhistle, Pavlov's ghost giggles from somewhere in the void.

God if you don't have some of these posters conditioned...then I guess I don't really know what that means! Did you intend for it to be this way, or is it just random?

Fess up!