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okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:23 AM Apr 2014

Here's What Putin Didn't Tell Snowden About Russia's Spying

"Does Russia intercept, store or analyze in any way the communications of millions of individuals?" former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden asked Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday.

"We don't have a mass system of such interception, and according to our law it cannot exist," the Russian leader responded.

Well, as NPR's Tom Gjelten tweets, the bipartisan Center for Strategic & International Studies has now provided "an actual answer" to Snowden's query.

Here are some excerpts from what the center posted today:

"Three programs, SORM-1, SORM-2, and SORM-3, provide the foundation of Russian mass communications surveillance. Russian law gives Russia's security service, the FSB, the authority to use SORM ('System for Operative Investigative Activities') to collect, analyze and store all data that [are] transmitted or received on Russian networks, including calls, email, website visits and credit card transactions. ...
"Russian law requires all Internet service providers to install an FSB monitoring device (called 'Punkt Upravlenia') on their networks that allows the direct collection of traffic without the knowledge or cooperation of the service provider. ...
"Collection requires a court order, but these are secret and not shown to the service provider. According to the data published by Russia's Supreme Court, almost 540,000 intercepts of phone and internet traffic were authorized in 2012. ...
"SORM is routinely used against political opponents and human rights activists to monitor them and to collect information to use against them in 'dirty tricks' campaigns. Russian courts have upheld the FSB's authority to surveil political opponents even if they have committed no crime. ..."


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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/18/304530695/heres-what-putin-didnt-tell-snowden-about-russias-spying
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Here's What Putin Didn't Tell Snowden About Russia's Spying (Original Post) okaawhatever Apr 2014 OP
So Putin lied to Snowden? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #1
You expected full disclosure? 1000words Apr 2014 #2
Huh? Putin flat out lied. joshcryer Apr 2014 #4
Full disclosure from Putin? Of course not. Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #5
Snowden's part of propaganda now whether it was his intention or not TroglodyteScholar Apr 2014 #3
Just like 2naSalit Apr 2014 #6
So basically Snowden is an idiot HipChick Apr 2014 #7
Comrade got played? Quelle Surprise! The whole world's laughing at his dumb ass. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #8
Figured the truth would come out. Thanks to Snowden for forcing Snowden to either lie or JDPriestly Apr 2014 #9
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. Full disclosure from Putin? Of course not.
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 01:12 AM
Apr 2014

Snowden was used by Putin as a propaganda tool on Russian state TV. Snowden is essentially assisting, willingly or not, in the legitimization of the Russian surveillance state which monitors the communications of Russian citizens....all this while denouncing NSA surveillance.

Mission accomplished for Putin.

What's even more pathetic is Snowden's op-ed he wrote where he claimed to be holding Putin's feet to the fire. I don't know how anyone could have read that while keeping a straight face.

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
3. Snowden's part of propaganda now whether it was his intention or not
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 12:37 AM
Apr 2014

No way to know whether he was coerced. But the natural action for an "information longs to be free" type of person would be to write these SORM-X programs into the question. But somehow that wasn't the case, and Putin took the opportunity to state an outright lie that went unchallenged as far as the people of Russia are concerned.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
8. Comrade got played? Quelle Surprise! The whole world's laughing at his dumb ass.
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 02:50 AM
Apr 2014

Well, at least those of us on planet earth. His diehard supporters, however, are in a whole different galaxy.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Figured the truth would come out. Thanks to Snowden for forcing Snowden to either lie or
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:21 AM
Apr 2014

admit the truth. Thanks to NPR for pointing out the truth. Of course, if you listened carefully, Putin used weasel words to avoid really lying while not admitting the truth either, just hoodwinking ordinary people who can't understand weasel words.

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