OH BOY: Hillary Clinton Blasts Edward Snowden for Fleeing to Russia and China
By Patrick Caldwell
Fri Apr. 25, 2014 10:35 AM PD
Hillary Clinton didn't have to directly deal with Edward Snowden's leaks when she was secretary of state. Clinton had already stepped down from her post by the time the Guardian published its first revelations on the expansive scope of spying by the National Security Agency. But at an event at the University of Connecticut on Wednesday night, Clinton made it clear that she's no fan of the NSA leaker, insinuating that Snowden had cooperated with countries hostile to the United States and unintentionally aided terrorist organizations. "I don't understand why he couldn't have been part of the debate at home," she said.
Clinton questioned Snowden's intentions in fleeing the country before offerring his information to the public. "When he emerged and when he absconded with all that material, I was puzzled, because we have all these protections for whistleblowers," Clinton said, when the moderator asked if there had been any positive effects for security policy following the NSA leaks. "If he were concerned and wanted to be part of the American debate, he could have been. But it struck me as—I just have to be honest with you—as sort of odd that he would flee to China, because Hong Kong is controlled by China, and that he would then go to Russia, two countries with which we have very difficult cyber-relationships, to put it mildly."
Clinton also suggested that Snowden had inadvertently helped terrorists. "I think turning over a lot of that material—intentionally or unintentionally, because of the way it can be drained—gave all kinds of information, not only to big countries, but to networks and terrorist groups and the like," she said.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hillary-clinton-snowden-nsa-russia-china
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We've shifted so far to the right that people actually think the President is a socialist. 
That's fine. The problem is that pretty much every political poll uses self-identification as a means to identify political groups.
It was done during the 2012 election when Republicans rejected polls because they felt they were skewed against them. Nate Silver noted how that notion was just silly. The reason Republicans thought the polls were skewed is that there were more Dems in the sample because more people self-identified as Dem.
Republicans eventually ended up creating their own polling methodology which turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. The few polls that weighted, like Rasmussen, were wildly inaccurate.
If you disagree with polling methodology, that's fine. You could even start to create your own polls because you don't seem to like the actual results of the polls that exist.
Good luck to you.
I'll stick with science.
57% of 18- to 29-year olds said the leaks have served rather than harmed the public interest — almost exact mirrors of the 65-and-over age group. These youngest adults were the only age group without majority support for prosecuting Snowden — they split 42%-42% on whether the former NSA contractor should be tried. (Snowden was charged in June 2013 with three criminal counts related to the leaks, though he’s apparently not yet been formally indicted.)
He is now officially associated with Putin, and expect the erosion to continue.
Huffpo: "Americans Might Not Support Edward Snowden, But They Support Disclosing Programs"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/edward-snowden-support_n_5071938.html
We both agreed your comment made no sense.
I would try to find a distraction too.
The NSA is spying on everyone? omg a newbie!
Sid
will passive aggressively, if not outright, be accused of being a sock puppet of a previously banned DUer if the person doing the accusing doesn't like your opinion. many assume we new folks just joinsite unseen without lurking for awhile beforehand. it really doesn't take long to see what is what and who is who here. bullies abound!
Take a look on Democratic Underground
They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.
If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.
Lots of traffic on DU.
It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.
http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138
Ron Paul Supporters Try Brainwashing Democrats...
From the "Daily Paul" - Ron Paul Cult Site...
Democratic Underground - Read the comments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023064050
Obama branded a war criminal in the Irish Parliament - read the comments on this one too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023067394
The Dems are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
We should join forces.
Don't mention Ron Paul on DU you will get eviscerated (they are still brainwashed over that).
Just mention his policies - the ordinary Dems love lots of them.
Anti bankster
Anti war
Anti Corporatism
etc. etc.
http://www.dailypaul.com/290123/one-rule-for-the-rich-and-one-rule-for-the-rest-banksters-snowden-nsa
Not everyone here is who they say they are.
Do they even have advisers who look outside of D.C. to see what's going on?
Way to step on a good day Hillary.
miss this?
"Inadvertantly" and "unintentionally" is putting it kindly.. more like being a dumbshite..
More Snowden leaks - and this time Al Qaeda is the surveillance target (+video)
".. But what caught my eye in one of the unredacted slides was the mention of Al Qaeda in Iraq being a particular target of the NSA's efforts. The slide reads: "Visual Communicator – Free application that combines Instant Messaging, Photo-Messaging, and Push2Talk capabilities on a mobile platform. VC used on GPRS or 3G networks." The next five words were what the Times tried and failed to redact: "heavily used in AQI Mosul Network."
The aim as described in the documents is to target mobile phone apps that can give away a target's physical location. The utility of this in tracking terrorists hardly needs to be stated. The document describes a program focusing on clear security interests – Al Qaeda in Iraq, now calling itself Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) – killed thousands in Iraq during the US-led war there and continues to carry out suicide bombings and attacks on civilians there on a weekly basis. ISIS is also deeply involved in the civil war in Syria, and the groups ties to Al Qaeda make it an obvious security concern for the US.."
snip//
"..But his claim that "none of this has anything to do with terrorism" is not reasonable. That's pure nonsense -- as is his attempt to suggest that any revelations of eavesdropping techniques can't do any harm because terrorists already know all about it. Terrorists may know that the US is trying to spy on them as best it can (just as Germany and France know that). But knowing the precise method is another thing altogether."
MOre..
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2014/0130/More-Snowden-leaks-and-this-time-Al-Qaeda-is-the-surveillance-target-video