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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:14 PM Apr 2014

Ukraine Official Says He Fears Russian Invasion

UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Ukraine's deputy foreign minister said Friday he fears an imminent Russian invasion.

"We have the information we are in danger," Danylo Lubkivsky told reporters at the United Nations.

He spoke as an official in Ukraine confirmed that pro-Russian forces had detained a team of military observers with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. The official said the team would be released after further investigation.

Lubkivsky said 20 members had been taken and called it shocking and unprecedented. "We demand to release hostages," he said.

Tensions have spiked as Russia increases military exercises along the Ukraine border. Lubkivsky called it a "very dangerous development" and demanded that Russia withdraw its troops.

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UN_UNITED_NATIONS_UKRAINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-25-15-42-55

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Ukraine Official Says He Fears Russian Invasion (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2014 OP
They were saying that at least a month ago. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #1
Do you have any idea how flippant you sound? nt EmilyAnne Apr 2014 #2
Would you like me to post links dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #4
You just don't get it. EmilyAnne Apr 2014 #7
I'd be very worried if I was them too. But with 50 million of them won't be a walk in the park.. EX500rider Apr 2014 #3
Georgia isn't a good example of anything. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #5
It's a great example of Russia stealing land from a small neighbor....just like now. EX500rider Apr 2014 #6

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
1. They were saying that at least a month ago.
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:23 PM
Apr 2014

It always seems to be imminent. I was under the impression imminent meant soon.

It was actually 13 taken plus the driver - 8 OSCE members and 5 Ukraine military.

The group was operating under the mandate of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and comprised four Germans, a Pole, a Dane, a Swede and a Czech officer. According to the Ukrainian interior ministry, they were being escorted by five members of the Ukrainian armed forces when their bus was seized by separatists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/ukraine-pro-russian-separatists-european-observers-captive-slavyansk

EmilyAnne

(2,769 posts)
7. You just don't get it.
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 06:23 PM
Apr 2014

My best friend has family in Eastern Ukraine. They are terrified and, yes, expecting a full scale invasion from Russia. You have no idea what it feels like to live in such fear. You want to play a dismissive game about the use of the word "imminent" for a whole freaking month? Fine. But know that you look incredibly flippant in doing so.


Oh, and my friends family are Uzbek. So before you accuse them if being nazis, Right Sector, whatever you want to call them, I thought you should know.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
3. I'd be very worried if I was them too. But with 50 million of them won't be a walk in the park..
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 10:16 PM
Apr 2014

....for Putin. This ain't little Georgia.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
5. Georgia isn't a good example of anything.
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 04:59 AM
Apr 2014

From 1st March this year :

With Russian troops poised to sever Crimea from Ukraine, tough-talking conservatives are claiming they were right about the threat from Vladimir Putin all along. The Wall Street Journal interviewed former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, who offered the West his lessons learned from losing the 2008 clash with the Russians. Meanwhile to the delight of the right-wing blogosphere, Sarah Palin boasted "I told ya so" about her October 2008 prediction that Ukraine would be next.

Of course, there's only one small problem with the crowing from conservatives now enjoying some schadenfreude at President Obama's expense. As we now know, Saakashvili himself bears much of the responsibility for starting the war with Russia.

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Sadly for Palin, In the fall of 2009, a report commissioned by the Council of the European Union instead found that Georgia "started unjustified war." While the EU analysis placed blame on both Tbilisi and Moscow for what transpired, it rejected the Georgian government's explanation that the attack was defensive. As the BBC reported (below):

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As Wikileaks revealed in December 2010, the U.S. position was made worse by the fact that the Bush administration--and its allies like John McCain--gullibly believed everything Saakashvili told them. The leaked cables from Tblisi, the New York Times explained, "display some of the perils of a close relationship":

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/01/1281384/-Sarah-Palin-Wall-Street-Journal-rewrite-history-of-Russia-Georgia-war#

In the same way in which the US believed everything Saakashvili told them , without seeking alternative sources , the same is now happening with respect to Kiev - without alternative sources. Jen Psaki confirmed that in answer to a question from a reporter during a news conference.

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