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By Tracy McLaughlin ,Special to QMI Agency
First posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 09:50 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, April 25, 2014 08:00 PM EDT
ALCONA - Still in the throes of agony from losing their son in a vehicle crash, the parents of young Brandon Majewski are now reeling after they learned the woman who struck and killed him is suing their dead child.
I feel like someone kicked me in the stomach Im over the edge, the dead boys father, Derek Majewski, said. Sometimes, it makes my blood boil.
As he sits in his immaculate Alcona home, near the shores of Lake Simcoe and roughly 90 km north of Toronto, sifting through piles of photographs of his son, the heartache shows on his face and he can hardly contain his tears as he speaks.
Just down the road, on the side of a quiet country stretch of Innisfil Beach Rd., is a memorial complete with a bicycle, flowers and photographs of his son, Brandon.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/25/driver-that-struck-teen-suing-dead-boys-family
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)It could be that elsewhere, the negligence of someone who got killed, is also looked at.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)any judge or jury being sympathetic to this ridiculous lawsuit.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)really really stupid and have nothing better to do.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)The report also states: No breathalyzer was performed. Although police say no alcohol was suspected and no charges were laid.
Simons husband, Jules Simon, a York Regional Police officer, was driving behind his wife that night, but little is mentioned about him as a witness in the police report. He pulled over when Brandon was struck and shortly after drove his wife home in his vehicle.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I can't imagine losing a son and then having this awful woman try to make money from the tragedy.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)My heart goes out to that family.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)...That's all I needed to know.
Law enforcement tends to draw in some really sick sadistic creeps.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)We have a lawsuit culture.
Even in ca, people have already filed lawsuits over the big bus crash, even going after one of the dead drivers widow....the investigation hasnt even been completed yet.
GOPee
(58 posts)I fault despicable lawyers and Lawmakers that put these loopholes on the books, that has us at each others throats. Shameful!
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)On small minority businesses looking for even the littlest violation. .and suing them knowing that they will settle because they dont have the money to fight them. Sometimes rhey work a block and sue numerous businesses on the same street.
I wish we could have some tort reform. .not republican style, but something meaningful.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)But these things happen in lawsuit wars...
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)And the parents are suing for funeral expenses it appears that the parents fired the first shot in this war....
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If the parents hadn't filed their suit (in the face of what seems like significant contributory negligence on the part of the boys), the counter-suit wouldn't have happened.
You always hope that the stupid things most of us do as teenagers don't prove fatal. But sometimes they do.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Even if the cyclists were foolishly riding three abreast, a driver who's exercising reasonable care (keeping a lookout and not speeding) would see them and not hit them.
In most jurisdictions, the victim's negligence (even "significant contributory negligence" is no longer a bar to recovery. It merely diminishes the damages recoverable. I don't see any reason to fault the parents for bringing suit.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)You need lights, the brighter, the better. Here in Portland (as bike-friendly a city as exists in the US), lights are legally required at night (like any other vehicle), and the rule is enforced.
She was indeed speeding, although it should be pointed out that it was apparently by 10kph (6mph). You seldom even get pulled over for that unless the cop's having a really crappy day. Still, speeding is speeding, and that may well be a big factor in these cases. Speeding on country roads at night in that part of the country is asking for trouble...but that trouble usually has antlers and hooves.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)flying rabbit
(4,639 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,816 posts)Since her name is out in the public now, she's probably being hounded relentlessly.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Is that this is a strategy to limit her own liability. Were the parents of the dead kid contemplating legal action against the driver, or was there a high liklihood they would sue her?
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I think the same thing - it's a counter suit.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I find the family's incredulity seems more like legal posturing. And the drivers case far less distasteful.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)http://www.bayshorebroadcasting.ca/news_item.php?NewsID=65677
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)emotionally scarred from killing someone. I would be too, but really...
after reading the article, I am nauseated.
Putting myself in the place of those parents, I would feel like wringing that woman's shitty neck.
Outrageous isn't even a strong enough word for what she's doing.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Financially devastating civil law suit?
sl8
(13,882 posts)Duelling Lawsuits in Fatal Crash
http://www.bayshorebroadcasting.ca/news_item.php?NewsID=65677
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Just awfulness all the way around.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)what usually happens (or at least would be in the U.S.) is that in personal injury litigation everybody tries to get at whatever insurance proceeds are available, and since you can't bring a direct action against the insurer you have to sue the policy holder. I don't know how a teenager on a bicycle would have insurance at all unless the family's homeowners or other insurance covered him. The point is, nobody sues anybody unless they think there's some source of funds if they win. So either there's insurance or the boy's family is well-off.
Or: the driver's suit against the boy's family (estate) is nothing but a defensive tactic in the main lawsuit against her. At least in the U.S., this would be the decision of the lawyer representing the insurance company that insured the driver, and not the driver herself. If you have a car accident where somebody else gets hurt and they sue you, your insurance company will assume the defense (they have to per the policy), but they call the shots, not you. And they do not care a bit about you or your reputation - they only want to do what they have to do to avoid paying damages. It's quite possible that the driver's insurance company's lawyer decided to file the countersuit not giving a damn about either the driver's reputation or the anguish caused to the boy's parents. Because that's what insurance defense lawyers do.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)(or reaching the last quoted paragraph) that the kid was riding a bicycle. It does sound as if the boys were not properly outfitted for riding after dark - and I certainly encounter plenty on my commute who aren't. But suing a bicycle rider is much more likely to receive sympathy than blaming a similarly poorly improperly outfitted pedestrian - because - bicycles on the road, the exclusive purview of cars in the view of far too many.
From the opposite perspective, however, it is also interesting how much outrage was expressed in this thread based on the skewed reporting - which buries the fact that this suit is a response to being sued in the last 3 paragraphs (and even then does not make it clear that this is a responsive suit). ("Cameron has launched a routine lawsuit against the driver, mainly for medical and funeral costs on behalf of the boys and their families. He alleges Simon was speeding and may have been intoxicated and talking on her cellphone."
From another article the picture is a little clearer:
That claim, which is still winding its way through the legal system, alleges Simon was negligent: travelling at excessive speeds, failing to keep a proper lookout and operating while intoxicated and on the phone.
It also claims Simons husband, Jules, was negligent, knowingly allowing his wife to drive impaired.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/04/25/driver_who_struck_teen_suing_dead_youth.html
pacalo
(24,721 posts)http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/04/25/driver_who_struck_teen_suing_dead_youth.html
It's beyond cruel.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)But my point is that it is a response to the $900,000 dollar lawsuit filed by the boys' families against Simon (which would ultimately be paid by her insurance company). Claims which may - or may not - be justified.
Litigation is costly. If you are the defendant, you have to pay an attorney to defend you whether you win or lose. Defendant's attorneys do not typically accept cases on a contingent fee basis unless they can bring a counterclaim which will cover their fees - so it is all out of pocket to the Simon's, who would have little choice but to bring their insurance company in.
The litigation by the boys' families has already gone on for approximately a year, with the defense paid for on an hourly basis. So, even if they prove in court that they were completely innocent, they have a year of attorney fees to pay. In case like this one, the Simons (or their insurance company) are likely out $50-$100,000 after a year. The only real option to protect themselves financially is to respond with claims of their own (which shifts the attorneys' fees to a contingent basis paid out of the winnings).
It is not an emotionally healthy system - but Simon is not to blame for it.
Assuming the boys were on the road wearing dark clothing and had no lights on their bicycles, and you hit them because you could not see them - AND - now you are being sued for $900,000, at an out of pocket cost to you - even if you win - of $50-$100,000 - would you just eat the $50-$100,000 and move on with life?
The calculation to file suit is even easier when the claims have been subrogated to the insurance company - the insurance company makes the decision. Given the choice between paying hourly wages to an attorney, or a contingent fee case, it is pretty easy to guess what the insurance company will do.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Very impressive explanation, Ms. Toad.
(Although not in the field of personal injury).
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)According to the linked article, he says the boys had reflectors on their bikes. The linked article also says that the dead boy was a bicycle enthusiast, frequently engaged in repairing bikes, so I'd be very surprised if he did NOT have reflectors on his own bike.
Also, the calculation you describe has to take account of something else. If the jury finds any liability on the driver (assuming Ontario has comparative negligence), then the jury will be asked to apportion the blame (in percentages) and to set the total amount of damages -- two subjective decisions. Now look at the comments on this thread. I think many jurors would react the same way as many DUers. They'd be really pissed off at the driver for suing or countersuing, and that would affect their findings on the issues.
The article gives the impression that this isn't a counterclaim, but a separate suit. If it happened in New York and I were representing the boy's parents, I'd immediately move to consolidate the driver's suit with the original suit, for precisely the reason above. I want that jury to know that the driver is trying to get money from people that lost their son (and then later lost their other son, possibly because of the same accident).
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)Reflectors are entirely dependent on how the car lights hits the reflectors, whether they are put on the bike at the proper angle, how the car lights are angled, whether mud is covering them, etc. That means they may not be visible at all. In any event, they are absolutely NOT sufficient for night time bike riding. When you are riding on the road, most jurisdictions require you to follow road rules. If a car would be required to have lights (most if not all places require this, after dark), so would a bike. (I'm also an avid road bike rider - so I watch very carefully for bikes when I am driving because I am also often in their shoes, so to speak. During bike season, at least once a month I encounter some kid wearing dark blue/black clothing with no lights - and no reflectors - or ineffective reflectors. I don't see them until I am nearly on top of them, despite being more aware of bikers than the average driver. I try very hard not to be on the road after dark - but when I am, I not only have lights on my bike - I also wear this)
As to your legal analysis, I expect the goal of the second suit is purely to break even (whether it is a separate suit or a counterclaim). There are several variations on comparative/contributory negligence - some of which bar recovery if there is any negligence on the part of the plaintiff. I doubt the most extreme version is in play, since it does not appear that either side is squeaky clean - which gets back to my point - I suspect the point of the second suit is primarily to break even/cover legal fees. As the defendant, the Simons (or their insurance company) will be paying hourly fees with no chance of recovering them. The only way to cover their costs - if they believe they are not at fault (or less at fault) is to bring their own claims (whether as a separate suit or a counterclaim).
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)...but suing the parents of a dead child for 'emotional trauma'? No way. Anybody that cold-hearted didn't suffer any 'emotional trauma' at all.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)(or non-concrete claims) is because they have already had to pay to defend themselves for a year. Those are all out of pocket costs, even if they win. The only way to make themselves whole - just on the assumption that she truly is innocent - is to countersue for something that isn't being paid directly to a care provider (your "real monetary damages."
Not at all the same circumstances, but when I was in an accident that was the fault of the other driver all I wanted was (1) my car and (2) my out of pocket medical expenses covered. They insisted on paying the blue book value of my car and converting the title to a salvage title. In order to keep my car, I had to get an attorney involved. Once I got the attorney involved, pain and suffering were automatically added to the claims because that is the only way to recover money to pay his contingent fees. So fixing my car + under $1,000 for medical bills was converted into a claim for fixing my car + around $10,000. That is how the system works when insurance companies get stubborn.
That is apparently what is going on here. The boys' families have sued Simon for $900,000 - and the case has been going on for a year. The defense is being paid for by the Simons' insurance company. In order to stop the fee bleed, the insurance company needed to file claims on their side which will create enough money to cover the legal fees.
But - legal gyrations aside - assuming Simon is innocent - you don't think you might have legitimately been traumatized by the sight of a kid and bicycle flying over the hood of your car when you (still assuming she is innocent) had no idea there was even a bicyclist on the road; might be haunted by the deaths that you inadvertently caused; and might be struggling with the public allegations being made against you for more than a year accusing you of driving drunk - and perhaps feel the need to take a stand?
I have no idea which side is legally right - but I have no doubt both sides are suffering - and that both would prefer not to be in a public fight about this. It is too bad that the need to pay for the childrens' medical bills (the original suit) has put both families in the position of painting the other as evil.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)I'm all for people being able to recover real monetary damages.
Legal gyrations aside, I most definitely think I would have been legitimately traumatized by the sight of a kid and his bicycle flying over the hood of my car, but I'd like to think that I wouldn't be looking to get paid for it.
But, I get what you're saying. The public's perception actually could cause monetary damages. It's just a sad situation all around.