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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Thu May 1, 2014, 04:08 PM May 2014

Germany blocks Edward Snowden from testifying in person in NSA inquiry

The German government has blocked Edward Snowden from giving personal evidence in front of a parliamentary inquiry into NSA surveillance, it has emerged hours before Angela Merkel travels to Washington for a meeting with Barack Obama.

In a letter to members of a parliamentary committee obtained by Süddeutsche Zeitung, government officials say a personal invitation for the US whistleblower would "run counter to the political interests of the Federal Republic", and "put a grave and permanent strain" on US-German relations.

Opposition party members in the committee from the Left and Green party had for weeks insisted that the former NSA employee was a key witness and therefore would need to appear in person, not least because of concerns that Russia otherwise could influence his testimony.

However, the ruling Christian Democratic and Social Democratic parties, said that a written questionnaire would suffice. The disagreement led to the resignation of the CDU head of the committee this month.

Last June the German foreign ministry rejected Snowden's application for asylum because it was not submitted in person on German soil. If Snowden had been invited as a witness, he could have met these requirements.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/germany-edward-snowden-nsa-inquiry

Of course, the truth of the matter is Snowden has nothing of substance to add to the inquiry anyway, since he has a policy about not discussing anything which hasn't already been in the newspapers and even then; he was a very small cog in the grand scheme of things...Naturally, Germany saves face by hinting that the U.S. is twisting their arm, and no one is the wiser...

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Germany blocks Edward Snowden from testifying in person in NSA inquiry (Original Post) Blue_Tires May 2014 OP
And Greenwald's response is as predictable as the sunrise: Blue_Tires May 2014 #1
I prefer the word 'placating' /nt Ash_F May 2014 #3
Greenwald's assertion is off the mark no matter how he words it... Blue_Tires May 2014 #6
So say you.. 2banon May 2014 #12
Agreed. The reality is much simpler. Every Western government is concerned about terrorism stevenleser May 2014 #13
Maybe similar sentiments were part of his failed porn business? randome May 2014 #9
And Germany's Response was as predictable as the sunset.. quell surprise. 2banon May 2014 #11
stasi Cali_Democrat May 2014 #2
The power of blackmail Jesus Malverde May 2014 #4
Blackmail? Why would they even need to? Blue_Tires May 2014 #5
I've never understood why people find the "it's already been said" argument so comforting. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #7
It's Snowden's rule, so go ask him, or his attorneys Blue_Tires May 2014 #8
Why would that be blackmail-worthy? stevenleser May 2014 #14
Related Story: Blue_Tires May 2014 #10

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
1. And Greenwald's response is as predictable as the sunrise:
Thu May 1, 2014, 07:34 PM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 1, 2014, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald · 10h
It's always strange how little embarrassment European leaders have about their abject subservience to the US http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/germany-edward-snowden-nsa-inquiry

(as an aside, Greenwald is really in love with the word "subservient" -- It gets way too much usage for a reputed wordsmith)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Agreed. The reality is much simpler. Every Western government is concerned about terrorism
Fri May 2, 2014, 10:52 AM
May 2014

and so there is vast cooperation in anti-terror policy between western governments at all levels, political, military, intelligence, etc.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. Maybe similar sentiments were part of his failed porn business?
Thu May 1, 2014, 09:23 PM
May 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
11. And Germany's Response was as predictable as the sunset.. quell surprise.
Fri May 2, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

The term "Subservient" is quite apt, I think. Genuflecting would be one I've might have used.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
4. The power of blackmail
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:25 PM
May 2014

This was a shot across the bow.



It's likely they have tapes of her praising the communists.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. Blackmail? Why would they even need to?
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:44 PM
May 2014

Snowden has never spoken about anything that hasn't already been revealed in the news -- So why would he all of a sudden start now?? (ICYMI, this rule is one of his conditions before he agrees to any interview or public comment)...

The Germans had serious doubts about what real value he would add to the inquiry long before today...

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
7. I've never understood why people find the "it's already been said" argument so comforting.
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:49 PM
May 2014

The history of revelation, especially in literature, is discussing what has already been discussed in news ways.

The "nothing he said is new" argument is a non-starter. It is probably the most pathetic attempt I've seen so far to marginalize the importance of the situation. It doesn't even bother to deny the truth anymore. It just tries to argue we shouldn't care. That's a really low stance to take, even for those who want to further the surveillance state.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. It's Snowden's rule, so go ask him, or his attorneys
Thu May 1, 2014, 09:03 PM
May 2014

This is from his testimony to the European Parliament in March:

Please bear in mind that I will not be disclosing new information about surveillance programs: I will be limiting my testimony to information regarding what responsible media organizations have entered into the public domain. For the record, I also repeat my willingness to provide testimony to the United States Congress, should they decide to consider the issue of unconstitutional mass surveillance.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1403/S00108/edward-snowdens-testimony-to-european-parliament-on-nsa.htm

So with that condition on the table, what's the point? Why even ask questions when most of his answers are just links to news stories? (and this is an audience already well-briefed on the topic)...

Of course the Germans already had their doubts about Snowden weeks ago, but it's more politically expedient to blame the U.S. so both sides save face: http://news.yahoo.com/head-german-nsa-inquiry-quits-over-snowden-row-104211578.html

And of course the "Germany cowers to American threats" storyline is right up Greenwald's alley as well...Much easier to stick to that instead of admitting Snowden took a big credibility hit after that Putin debacle (and don't think some of those lawmakers weren't planning to grill him on that)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. Why would that be blackmail-worthy?
Fri May 2, 2014, 10:56 AM
May 2014

They could come out with a video or audio tape of her praising Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot as a teen or young adult. It wouldn't make much of a difference. She has many years now governing from the center-right. No one would believe now that she is a secret lefty.

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