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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:16 PM May 2014

Alabama’s chief justice: Buddha didn’t create us so First Amendment only protects Christians

Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us.

“They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship,” he continued. “Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

He then noted that he loves talking to lawyers, because he is a lawyer who went to “a secular law school,” so he knows that “in the law, just isn’t politically correct.” He claimed that this is why America has “lost its way,” and that he would be publishing a pamphlet “this week, maybe next” that contained copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, thereby proving that all the people “who found this nation — black, white, all people, all religions, all faiths” knew that America was “about God.”


Chief Justice Moore later defined “life” via Blackstone’s Law — a book that American lawyers have “sadly forgotten” — as beginning when “the baby kicks.” “Today,” he said, “our courts say it’s not alive ’til the head comes out.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/alabamas-chief-justice-buddha-didnt-create-us-so-first-amendment-only-protects-christians/

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and we wonder how could GW steal one election and win another .... only in America

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Alabama’s chief justice: Buddha didn’t create us so First Amendment only protects Christians (Original Post) MindMover May 2014 OP
Of the morons, by the morons and for the morons pscot May 2014 #1
Absolutely positively moronic ... nt MindMover May 2014 #2
And This Asshole Gets To Sit In Judgement Of Others... WillyT May 2014 #3
and you know what he is thinking now that he said this asshat shit ... nt MindMover May 2014 #5
So does this mean that non-Christians in Alabama should not have any expectation... MrScorpio May 2014 #4
Alabama justice seems to be a non-sequitur pscot May 2014 #9
yep, that seems certain 2pooped2pop May 2014 #35
I can tell you, in the spirit of self preservation, if I were accused of a crime in a southern state Ed Suspicious May 2014 #39
God no! Unless you get caught in Louisiana don't you dare wear a rosary to court in the South. dawg May 2014 #44
Good point. I was born catholic in the midwest. I forgot they weren't real christians. ;) Ed Suspicious May 2014 #54
?????? But, by his world-view, didn't God create Buddhists and Muslims? Coventina May 2014 #6
But Moore doesn't believe life begins when the baby kicks cthulu2016 May 2014 #7
Why don't they remove him from the bench? Baitball Blogger May 2014 #8
that state is rather red. His job is probably safer than.... add your on homey idiom dembotoz May 2014 #11
They tried that before about ten years ago, just after his Ten Commandment monument stunt... MrScorpio May 2014 #15
Trained for obedience, not for reasoning. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #18
As an Atheist Cartoonist May 2014 #10
Is this the same God that created smallpox, plague, cancer, and hangnails? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #12
"Free will" is the universal cop-out for that. nyquil_man May 2014 #27
Don't forget yeast infections. yellowcanine May 2014 #51
It's amazing that they keep forgetting that... Xyzse May 2014 #13
There's that prohibition against establishment of religion thing, as well..... (nt) Paladin May 2014 #17
I agree... Xyzse May 2014 #19
No they're not. JackRiddler May 2014 #38
It is true that since they are fictional character(s), they are all different renderings Xyzse May 2014 #55
wow phantom power May 2014 #14
and their insanity continues Rider3 May 2014 #16
Shouldn't that pretty much excuse him from the bench then? truebrit71 May 2014 #20
You know I'm starting to lose respect for Chief Justice Roy Moore nt el_bryanto May 2014 #21
And what of the creation stories of Native Americas? ismnotwasm May 2014 #22
" let’s go back and learn our history" progressoid May 2014 #23
I hadn't realised Alabama had re-elected this moron muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #24
Jesus H. Christ Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #25
...on toast. 3catwoman3 May 2014 #30
.....on a windshield trusty elf May 2014 #31
... on a dog's ass Major Nikon May 2014 #36
On a trailer hitch hootinholler May 2014 #43
Historically ignorant dumb-ass. arcane1 May 2014 #26
To run his logic to the end... Half-Century Man May 2014 #28
Roy Moore was removed... yallerdawg May 2014 #29
thanks, lone democrat, for your total lack of foresight BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #45
Memo to Justice Dumb-ass shenmue May 2014 #32
"My invisible sky-god is more powerful then your invisible sky-god" robbob May 2014 #33
the war against ignorance... joe_stampingbull May 2014 #34
seriously. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #46
He needs to be removed, but I doubt that will happen (unless it already did). sakabatou May 2014 #37
Oh yeah,...there were all kinds of colors represented at the signing of the constitution.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #40
Wasn't this skidmark part of Don Seigleman's incarceration? hootinholler May 2014 #41
God didn't create us either mindwalker_i May 2014 #42
Actually, ... Jefferson had a copy of the Quran. And, like Obama, he was ... Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #47
Chief Justice eh? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #48
A ship of fools has sail to the US... BlueJac May 2014 #49
Moore thinks "life begins when the baby kicks"?????? Christotaliban ain't going to like that. yellowcanine May 2014 #50
How did he get reinstated?! herding cats May 2014 #52
Jesus commanded us to love others the same as we love ourslves. dawg May 2014 #53
150 years ago, conservatives from that very same region used to claim that the Bill of Rights....... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #56
Pssst ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #57
Boy, they'll go to any lengths to deny people religious freedom Arkana May 2014 #58
Might make sense if Christianity is the official state religion as inscribed in the indepat May 2014 #59
This is the same idiot who fought to keep the 10 Commandments in the Courthouse Gothmog May 2014 #60

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
4. So does this mean that non-Christians in Alabama should not have any expectation...
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:22 PM
May 2014

Of fair and impartial treatment in the State Supreme Court?

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
35. yep, that seems certain
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:29 PM
May 2014

wear a cross or lose your case. This guy should not be in any position of power.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
39. I can tell you, in the spirit of self preservation, if I were accused of a crime in a southern state
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:03 PM
May 2014

I would become the god-fearingest man around. Rosary around my neck, USA pin on my lapel. Praise Jesus, not the one that tells you to help the poor and downtrodden, but the one that explains your honor's wealth, sense of entitlement, sanctimony, and inability to accept others as virtues of xtianity. PRAISE JESUS!

dawg

(10,624 posts)
44. God no! Unless you get caught in Louisiana don't you dare wear a rosary to court in the South.
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:10 PM
May 2014

Them's idolatrous Mary-worshippin' devil beads.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
6. ?????? But, by his world-view, didn't God create Buddhists and Muslims?
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:24 PM
May 2014

And, if he's trying to claim Christianity has rights for being "first", what about the religious beliefs of the Native Americans?

Oh, right, the Constitution probably doesn't apply to them either, according to him.

Pretty scary that he's in such a powerful position.

These guys make me want to

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
7. But Moore doesn't believe life begins when the baby kicks
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:24 PM
May 2014

Surely he believes it begins much earlier than that.

First kick tends to be 16 to 22 weeks.

Does Moore support abortion rights through 16-22 weeks? I am guessing not.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
8. Why don't they remove him from the bench?
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:25 PM
May 2014

Ideas that are this skewed just bring on acceptance of other similar convoluted reasoning.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
15. They tried that before about ten years ago, just after his Ten Commandment monument stunt...
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:41 PM
May 2014

I was in Montgomery during that time, USAF training and I pretty much saw the crap happening first hand. There were a bunch of pro-monument protesters on the courthouse steps day and night. These fools didn't have lives apparently.

One funny thing I saw on the TV was where this one protester was getting interviewed for the local news. The news person asked him why he was protesting and he said that he was there to help protect the country's freedom of religion... The kicker was when the reporter followed that up when she asked him if he would protest in favor of a Hindu or Islamic monument. Of course, the guy said that he wouldn't... Because America is a Christian nation in his opinion. I found it amusing that this fool just admitted that he was a fucking hypocrite to a TV camera.

I also found it amusing that they stood up on those steps and prayed that a marble graven idol to the Ten Commandments was not removed from the Court, something that has one commandment written on it that one should not worship graven idols.

Roy Moore's people, everybody!

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
10. As an Atheist
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:29 PM
May 2014

I demand his resignation. I do not want a theocracy in a country whose founding fathers established religious freedom. I DEMAND this idiot's resignation.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
12. Is this the same God that created smallpox, plague, cancer, and hangnails?
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:34 PM
May 2014

And, the same God who knows all, sees all, even the future, and planted the tree of knowledge and told Adam and Eve not to eat of it...while knowing in advance that they would eat of it and then got pissed off at them after they did what He knew they would?

If so, methinks there's a design flaw in God 1.0.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
13. It's amazing that they keep forgetting that...
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:37 PM
May 2014

Mohammed is only a Prophet, supposedly a greater prophet than JC, and the Islamic and Christian God are one and the same.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
38. No they're not.
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:47 PM
May 2014

Since this "god," He or it or they, is-are fictional character(s), the Islamic and Christian god are not "the same." They are renderings of an idea by different authors, as received by billions of recipients through countless interpretative frameworks and personal impressions. In fact, it cannot even be said there is one Christianity or one Islam, let alone one "god" shared by all of the hundreds of sects within these broad traditions. (True, the variation within each of these religious groupings is greater than the variation between the average "Islam" and the average "Christianity.&quot

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
55. It is true that since they are fictional character(s), they are all different renderings
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:20 PM
May 2014

Of an idea from the same source.

Basically the Abrahamic idea of god.

I mean, it can be argued that within every single person is a different variation of "God".

In fact, I will state now, that even though I was born in a Christian faith, whatever supposed god I am unsure I believe in or not, is definitely not the same god many in the right worship, it certainly isn't the same interpretation that my mother worships.

Still, I just like being able to tweak some Christians' noses about saying that they have the same god as Muslims. It's fun, because I can't have that same type of discussion with them, in mentioning that "god" is just an idea. They turn red.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
22. And what of the creation stories of Native Americas?
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:54 PM
May 2014

They were here millennia before Christians.

Another nut job. Sometimes I think they crawl out of Stephan King's ( the author) universe

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
24. I hadn't realised Alabama had re-elected this moron
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:21 PM
May 2014

Chief Justice should never be an elected position. This is the kind of crap you get with that - a demagogue spitting on the Constitution to promote his extreme version of one religion.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
28. To run his logic to the end...
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:31 PM
May 2014

Since G*d predates christianity by at least a biblical 4000 years, The First Amendment protects G*d, but not christianity. The legendary Jewish Rabbi Jesus, upon whom christianity is based, was the son of the creator; brought into being far post-creation.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
29. Roy Moore was removed...
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:41 PM
May 2014

as Chief Justice several years ago for refusing to remove the 10 Commandments statue he had brought in after being told to remove a 10 Commandments sign in his courtroom.

He unsuccessfully ran as a Republican candidate for a while.

Meanwhile, the lone Democrat in the Alabama Supreme Court resigned in disgust. So when Moore saw a chance to run against an unelected replacement (a Democrat in the reddest state in the Union), he became our Chief Justice again!

And Alabama got even redder.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
45. thanks, lone democrat, for your total lack of foresight
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:11 PM
May 2014

at the likely outcome of your decision to resign.

Living your principles is one thing; putting them above real consequences that are even worse is another story.


joe_stampingbull

(165 posts)
34. the war against ignorance...
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:21 PM
May 2014

and bigotry seems endless but we must keep trying. I don't even know where to start with this savage idiot...sigh

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
40. Oh yeah,...there were all kinds of colors represented at the signing of the constitution....
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:04 PM
May 2014


White, off white, lily white....

BTW: Where are the women?

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
42. God didn't create us either
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:09 PM
May 2014

But he did create Jupiter after going to Taco Bell.

And he created black holes after inventing zero and dividing something by it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
47. Actually, ... Jefferson had a copy of the Quran. And, like Obama, he was ...
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:13 PM
May 2014
In the smear campaign before the election for the presidency of the United States, one candidate was accused by his opponents of being a closet Muslim. Some Christians “viewed all Muslims as agents of religious error and a foreign threat.” The United States faced a hostage crisis, as many Americans were taken hostage by Muslim powers and freed only after a ransom was paid. {...} A “social Christian,” hoping to preserve “a purely Protestant Christian America,” was worried that aliens might take over the reins of power in the country and opined that “the few ... Jews, Mahomedans, Atheists or Deists among us” must, in the name of prudence and justice, be excluded “fromour publick offices.”

The time was not the 2000s but the 1790s, and the presidential candidate was Thomas Jefferson, who was, in Denise Spellberg’s words, “the first in the history of American politics to suffer the false charge of being a Muslim, an accusation considered the ultimate Protestant slur in the eighteenth century.”



http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117173/thomas-jeffersons-quran-denise-spellberg-reviewed

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
49. A ship of fools has sail to the US...
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:14 PM
May 2014

in the name of Christians. WTF has happen to this country? American Taliban?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
50. Moore thinks "life begins when the baby kicks"?????? Christotaliban ain't going to like that.
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:16 PM
May 2014
They think life begins at conception. Or maybe Moore thinks the baby kicks right after it is conceived?

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
52. How did he get reinstated?!
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:17 PM
May 2014

I know for a fact he was removed from his position as Chief Justice back in 2003 over his refusal to comply with a federal judges orders to remove the ten commandments monument from the judicial building in Alabama. Now here he is Chief Justice again. WTF?

dawg

(10,624 posts)
53. Jesus commanded us to love others the same as we love ourslves.
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:17 PM
May 2014

I, for one, would not want to have my rights denied on the basis of my religion (or lack thereof). Therefore, if I am serious about following Christ's teachings, I won't do that to members of any other religion either.

I don't understand how so many people who claim to be Christians are too stupid to understand that.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
56. 150 years ago, conservatives from that very same region used to claim that the Bill of Rights.......
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:26 PM
May 2014

applied to white (and Christian!) Anglo-Saxons only. Of course, that wasn't the actual intent of the Founders when the Constitution was being written up, but that's what the far-right, especially down there in plantation country, really wanted people to believe, even before slavery became widely seen as a so-called "positive good". And it took almost 80 years to clarify that. Slightly different line of B.S., same general method.

So get a fuckin' clue, Roy Moore.




Arkana

(24,347 posts)
58. Boy, they'll go to any lengths to deny people religious freedom
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:45 PM
May 2014

and they're slowly trying to worm Christianity in as the "unofficial" state religion.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
59. Might make sense if Christianity is the official state religion as inscribed in the
Fri May 2, 2014, 05:03 PM
May 2014

Constitution. Otherwise the Chief Justice of Alabama should keep his 'effin' mouth shut and resign his office pronto.

Gothmog

(145,176 posts)
60. This is the same idiot who fought to keep the 10 Commandments in the Courthouse
Fri May 2, 2014, 06:33 PM
May 2014

This idiot has issues with the separation of church and state

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