Dutch Muslim rapper: I hate Jews more than Nazis

[Mosby]

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (JTA) – Dutch police are investigating a Muslim rapper who used hateful language against gays and Jews in one of his songs.

The rapper Ismo, whose real name is Ismael Houllich, included the text in his first single. The official video clip for the song titled “Eenmans” (or “One Man’s”) shows Ismo singing: “I hate those fucking Jews more than the Nazis,” “don’t shake hands with faggots” and “don’t believe in anything but the Koran.”

The clip, which was filmed in the southern border city of Breda, had received 125,000 viewers on YouTube before a 19-year-old gay resident of the city, Lars Hobma, filed a complaint with police against Ismo for alleged incitement to hatred, the news site of the Algemeen Dagblad daily reported Friday.

Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/05/02/news-opinion/world/dutch-muslim-rapper-i-hate-jews-more-than-nazis#ixzz30aJ6Etb6

[mike_c]

1. words fail....

This is sad and stupid. Some days it's hard to have any hope for the future of humanity at all.

[dilby]

2. Disgusting thing to say but I think he should be free to say it.

I think it would be horrible to live in an environment where people can't express themselves no matter how dumb their beliefs are.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. But of course you are fine to see aggressive hate mongers bully others into not expressing

themselves at all for fear of their lives. A tad ironic. You endorse a culture of fear and intimidation under the guise of freedom. Good for you.

[dilby]

16. I must have missed something.

Where is he bullying others into not expressing themselves? I am Jewish, his words have little effect upon me and unless he physically attacks someone he is just spewing rhetoric. I support his ability to spew such rhetoric, would rather know up front he is a bigot and not a secret bigot where I might actually buy one of his albums.

[leftynyc]

17. His supporters are leaving death threats

for the person who made the complaint. I'm sure he'll demand his supporters don't do that any second now.

[dilby]

18. So his supporters are doing something illegal not him.

[leftynyc]

19. Inciting hate IS illegal there

You're thinking like everyone has the freeking US constitution. They don't.

[dilby]

20. And I originally stated I prefer to live where people can express themselves.

Not in a country where you can be persecuted for your beliefs.

[NuclearDem]

25. Hell, inciting violence is illegal HERE.

I'm starting to think Western Europe might have it right when it comes to hate speech.

[leftynyc]

42. I really go back and forth

about that issue. It comes down to WHO is going to decide what hate speech is. That's a very blurry line.

[polly7]

3. Such a hater.

I hope he's stopped, my question is .... who would listen to that garbage? Dumb question I guess, there are some sick people in this world.

[951-Riverside]

4. I disagree with this investigation, its a waste of time

Just deport him and his family back to whatever wonderful paradise they fled from.

Don't like other people having rights in the country you immigrated to?

GET THE FUCK OUT!

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Ismael "Ismo" Houllich

[whatthehey]

7. Do you know he's an immigrant?

There have been Muslim people in the Netherlands for way longer than this current generation.

[Coventina]

8. Wow! He does look hate-filled, doesn't he?

Must be really hard for him to live in such a tolerant country.

[LeftishBrit]

40. Let's not go into Geert Wilders territory

And this man was almost certainly born in the Netherlands. There are many native-born Dutch Muslim citizens, who mostly have ancestors from Turkey, Indonesia, Morocco or Surinam.

[shenmue]

5. What a swell guy

[Coventina]

6. He's clearly living in the wrong country.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Why did they post the name of the kid who filed the complaint?

He is definitely the hero in the tale, but now he has to look over his shoulder.

[951-Riverside]

11. Hmm! Further down in the article he says...

“They are trying to twist my words against me,” he said. “I don’t hate all Jews. I hate only Zionist Jews that made Palestine smaller than my neighborhood.”

Gee where have I heard this before?

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These cowards can never actually stand up and defend the crap they spew out.

[pampango]

12. What might surprise him: Most European fascists now hate Muslims more than Jews.

Why? There are a lot of Muslim immigrants in Europe; relatively few Jews.

[Nevernose]

24. That and many of the Muslim immigrants are religious fanatics

Here's a recent Vice documentary comparing/contrasting radical Muslims in Britain with quasi-fascists:

https://news.vice.com/video/londons-holy-turf-war

My favorite description comes in the beginning of the video, describing Sharia-based assholes and white-racist assholes as "England's two least favorite gangs."

(Also, on second thought, "vocal" might be a better word than "many&quot

[pampango]

46. So the fascists have a point? "Many Muslim immigrants are religious fanatics."

Need a definition of "many" here.

99%? 50%? 10%? 1%? If even 1% of Muslim immigrants were 'religious fanatics' that would still mean thousands of "vocal" 'religious fanatics' for fascists to point to as evidence that we have to fear and hate Muslim immigrants in general. Just as there were undoubtedly "many" (1%? 10%?) Jews in Germany in the 1930's who were as bad as the fascists said they were. Every group - religious, racial, ethnic, nationality - has it share of wacko fanatics or just plain old bad people. To play up the significance of that group's fringe to stigmatize the entire group, usually to achieve some larger political goal, is a classic right-wing tactic.

Fascists do not like immigration. (There are no "real" Germans or "real" British among immigrants - by definition.) Fascists hate non-white and/or non-Christian immigration even more. The British National Party, which has fallen on hard times recently, is about as close to a British fascist party as you can get:

The BNP under Griffin espouses "ethno-nationalism" based on "concern for the well-being of the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ethnic nations that compose the United Kingdom".

In 2010, following legal action by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, the party changed its constitution which had restricted membership to "indigenous British" people.

The BNP is opposed to mixed-race relationships because "when whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed." ... Our fundamental determination to secure a future for white children is restated ... We don't hate anyone, especially the mixed race children who are the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism, but that does not mean that we accept miscegenation as moral or normal. We do not and we never will."

The party states that it "has moved on in recent years, casting off the leg-irons of conspiracy theories and the thinly veiled anti-semitism which has held this party back for two decades. The real enemies of the British people are home grown Anglo-Saxon Celtic liberal-leftists ... and the Crescent Horde—the endless wave of Islamics who are flocking to our shores to bring our island nations into the embrace of their barbaric desert religion".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

[Nevernose]

47. "Many" for me is "enough to cause a problem"

And I also said that "vocal" was probably a more accurate word than "many."

I take it you didn't watch the news video? If you did, you should really watch it a second time, because you totally missed the point.

[pampango]

48. Well 1% of Muslim immigrants would be "enough to cause a problem" since that would be thousands

of Muslims. Is that enough to hate Muslim immigrants in general? ("Sorry 99%. You've got some real losers among those who share your religion.&quot

Have fascists just discovered the danger represented by Muslim immigrants before the rest of us realized it? Thank goodness that the BNP was on the job and protecting us from the Muslim menace long before we even knew we needed protecting.

Why don't you just tell me what the point of the video is since I am obviously not "understanding" it correctly?

[Nevernose]

49. You're making up a bunch of stuff I never said or implied

I never said or implied it was okay to hate Muslims in general simply because they're Muslims, and I never said anything defending European Fascists.

What I said was, essentially: here's an interesting video which compares two groups of radicals who are both comprised of assholes. That video was in no way defensive of justifying today's radical right wing. It started off by claiming both the religious extremists and the racists were "the two least popular gangs in Britain." It showed the Britain First assholes acting like assholes and terrorizing innocent people the same in the exact same way that they accused their enemies of.

Pointing out that Anjem Choudray (and company) is an insane, theocratical fascist dickbag does NOT mean that Britain First (and company) aren't also made up of insane fascist dickbags. You're just kind of assuming that being opposed to one automatically includes me in support of the other, which is definitely not supported by anything I wrote.

I'm sorry I am unable to define "many" to your satisfaction. I meant it in the same way that people say "many children are accidentally killed with firearms every year." Does that represent .001% of the legally owned firearms in the US? Probably, but 1500 dead kids seem like "many" to me, even of it's tiny as a percentage. I have repeatedly sad "vocal" would be a better term, but when I wrote the original reply I was having some writer's block. Would you accept "vocal minority" instead of "many?" Would that make you happy?

[pampango]

50. My apologies. The title of your post 24 got me started in the wrong direction and

I did not pay enough attention to your clarifications later on. I understand that even a small percentage can still be too "many" in some cases.

[Scootaloo]

53. This is DU. when it comes to Muslims, a lot of posters pick up the fasces and go on a march

The rapper's an asshole. The US has plenty of asshole rappers, too. Plenty of asshole rock and roll singers, too. Assholes are plentiful in the world.

[Mosby]

54. Yeah, like this asshole

'Top Gear' host Clarkson says gets final warning over racism row

(Reuters) - Television presenter Jeremy Clarkson said he had received a final warning from Britain's publicly-funded broadcaster, the BBC, over using racist language while filming "Top Gear", one of the world's most popular TV programmes.

This story was just posted in DUs LBN.

[Mosby]

55. at least 1/4 of the Muslims surveyed by Pew in 2013 think suicide bombing is OK sometimes

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In Lebanon and Egypt, too, substantial minorities of Muslims (33% and 25%, respectively) think suicide bombings and similar attacks in the name of Islam are at least sometimes justified. However, in both countries, more Muslims say such violence is never justified (41% in Lebanon and 39% in Egypt). Shia Muslims in Lebanon (39%) are more likely than the country’s Sunni Muslims (26%) to take the view that violence in the name of Islam is sometimes or often justified.

Support for suicide bombing and other violence aimed at civilian targets is most widespread in the Palestinian territories, with 62% of Muslims saying that such attacks are often or sometimes justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Support is strong both in Hamas-ruled Gaza (64%) and the Fatah-governed West Bank (60%).

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

Pew tries to put a positive spin on it but survey after survey shows a high degree of acceptance for violence and religious fundamentalism in general among Muslims around the world.

Edited to correct the percentage.

[pampango]

56. That is not what that poll showed. "Widespread rejection of suicide bombing and violence."

Widespread Muslim concern about Islamic extremism is generally coupled with rejection of suicide bombing and other forms of violence in the name of Islam. However, in some countries, substantial minorities of Muslims say attacks on civilians are at least sometimes justified to defend Islam from its enemies; in the Palestinian territories, a majority of Muslims hold this view.

Overall, support for suicide bombing and related forms of violence has declined in the last decade across the Muslim publics surveyed. Since 2002, the percentage of Muslims who say suicide bombing is at least sometimes justified has dropped 41 percentage points in Lebanon, 31 points in Jordan and 30 points in Pakistan. In Nigeria, meanwhile, support has declined 26 points since 2010.

Overall, views of extremist groups are negative across the Muslim publics surveyed. A median of about a third or fewer have a positive view of al Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, or Hezbollah. And in no country polled do any of these organizations receive majority Muslim support.

None of this polling was done in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. It was done on the Middle East. Immigrants to the UK, Europe and the US are those who want to leave the Middle East. I think a poll of immigrant Muslims would be more useful for the sake of this OP than is one of Muslims who live in the chaos that exists in much of the Middle East.

[Mosby]

57. the data is in a chart

[Mosby]

58. American and European Muslim attitudes towards terrorism

A Pew Research study from 2007 found that over 1 in 4 Muslim adults under the age of 30 in the United States, Great Britain, France, and Spain believe suicide bombing can be justified at least rarely.[20]

In another Pew Research study, from 2006, at least 1 in 4 respondents in the Muslim nations surveyed, except Turkey, had at least some confidence in Bin Laden. Confidence in Bin Laden was 16% or less among Muslims in the four European nations surveyed.[21]

A 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether attacks on civilians were justified. Globally 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims opposed such violence. About 14% of Muslims in the nations surveyed (and 8% of Muslims in the US) said violence against civilians is "often" or "sometimes" justified. An average of 25% of Muslims among the 20 nations surveyed believe suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets is justified at least rarely.[22][23][24] The survey did not include some Muslim nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, and Libya, but did include densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria and Indonesia.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

[Reter]

51. That's not the only reason

There are quite a few Islamists in Europe. Some of them are trying to implement Sharia law. Many also harass young women who happen to come to their area to "cover up" while it public. I've seen it happen.

[pampango]

52. I am sure that 'a few' or 'some' Muslim immigrants are trying to implement Sharia law.

I am sure that there are some Christians who want to impose Biblical law as well. There are wackos in every group.

I do not think that fascists reserve their hatred just for those Muslim immigrants who try to implement Sharia law. (I am not sure where you are, but the alleged desire of Muslims to spread Sharia law is a favorite republican fear-mongering tactic in many parts of the US. Just ask Pam Geller and her too numerous associates.) Fascists pretty much hate all Muslim immigrants because they are numerous and different. (Jews in Europe are not so numerous anymore.) Muslims are like the rest of us. 99% of them want to have a decent job, raise a family, be good neighbors and enjoy life.

My guess is that fascists hate Caribbean immigrants, African immigrants, Indian immigrants just as much. Muslims make better targets for their hatred because they are stereotyped as less "worthy" than others. If right ever got rid of all the Muslim immigrants, I am sure they would start in on the Indian, African and Caribbean immigrants as not being "British" enough.

[Savannahmann]

13. Reminds me of this picture

Caution, you might want to put the coffee down first or it will end up all over your keyboard.

[MADem]

27. O.... M..... Geeeeeeeee!

That is HILARIOUS!

I'm rarely amused by vitriolic hatred that is expressed with blatant stupidity, but that's one of those exceptions to prove the rule! I must STEAL that picture and place it in a location of honor, close by to these, which mock so artfully:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Westboro Mosque? Allah hates faggots?

[LeftishBrit]

22. Exactly

Indeed, possibly Britain's closest equivalent to Phelps is a Muslim called Choudary:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/24/anjem-choudary_0_n_4333801.html

I am quite sure that the loony Christian Righties and loony Muslim Righties will end up collaborating on many issues (already happening at times) , just as the loony Catholic Righties and loony Protestant Righties are collaborating far more than would have been expected 50 years ago.

[riderinthestorm]

15. Inevitable fall-out of Geert Wilders being acquitted of hate speech

I mean, if Wilders can get away with the shit he says, I presume Ismael Houllich feels entitled to his own little hate fest.

[LeftishBrit]

21. Yikes

Except for being a Muslim, he would make a 'good' teabagger or UKIP candidate:

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/106538/ukip-suspends-candidate-over-holocaust-comments

[Behind the Aegis]

23. The non-apology apology

“They are trying to twist my words against me,” he said. “I don’t hate all Jews. I hate only Zionist Jews that made Palestine smaller than my neighborhood.”

He added: “It all depends on how you interpret the song. By ‘faggots’ I didn’t mean homosexuals and by ‘Jews’ I didn’t mean all Jews. My fans realize that.”[/div]

[leftynyc]

43. That's not even a non-apology

It's whining that people are complaining. "I'm not a bigot" and "They're twisting my words" are the same things Both Bundy and Sterling say.

[jberryhill]

26. When will we learn to hate all people equally?

[U4ikLefty]

28. OMG those Muslims are so terrible.

That's why it's okay to bomb them with drones.

[Behind the Aegis]

30. Where did you see that recommendation?

Maybe it is just that anti-Semitism and homophobia are excusable, so we shouldn't address it?

[U4ikLefty]

31. Digging deep in the shit pile to smear Muslims has been an American sport since 9-11

The OP had to dig out a nobody Dutch rapper who spouted stupid bigoted shit.

What reason? There are many examples of anti-Semitism & homophobia everyday here in our own back yard.

Sorry, but it looks like another "see those crazy Muslims" post.

[Behind the Aegis]

32. Oh, so when they do stupid shit it should be ignored? Got it.

"There are many examples of anti-Semitism & homophobia everyday here in our own back yard. "

Yeah, there are. Those stories are posted all over DU, and yet, no snide, shitty remarks about "drone attacks" because someone is pointing out anti-Semitism or homophobia.

[U4ikLefty]

34. Nothing "snide" about my remarks.

I'm sick of demonizing an entire religion because of a few nuts.

As a Christian I would hate to be judged by the actions of douchebags like those at Westborough.

Muslim are not your enemy.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. Who said Muslims were the enemy?

You are sick of the demonization of Muslims, but not Jews or gays?

Jews and gays are not your enemy.

[U4ikLefty]

37. Since I didn't mention Eskimos I guess I'm not against their demonization either.

Jeebus, I'm done with your ridiculousness.

BTW, thanks for admitting that it was indeed demonization of Muslims...small steps

Have a good...never mind.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Ridiculousness? That would be your starting post.

You do realize that the article is about the demonization of Jews and gays, not Eskimos, right?

[LeftishBrit]

33. So if I criticize Pat Robertson, that means that I think that all Christians are terrible and that

it's OK to bomb America and Britain?

[U4ikLefty]

36. No, it means that if Muslims are painted as bloodthirsty you can bulldoze

their houses while playing the victim.

See I can play too.

[LeftishBrit]

39. And if Bush et al are painted as warmongers, then you must be with the terra-ists

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Same sort of game as that played by many of our leaders!

[cali]

41. and blacks are painted as "shiftless and lazy" and Jews are painted as

"money grubbing blood suckers who control the financial world" and Gays are painted as "perverted child molesters" and and and. The world is full of unpleasant, hateful stereotypes and bigotry.

No one should ever get a pass on expressing putrid hate simply because they belong to a demonized minority (or any majority or any group at all).

This is just basic stuff. You are missing something rather critical, my dear.

[leftynyc]

44. Putting words into peoples mouths

is no way to have a discussion. Are you saying this should be ignored? That it's not worth discussing?

[MrScorpio]

29. Never heard of the guy...

May he continue to wallow in mediocrity.

[sakabatou]

45. *facedesk*