Many won't like this, but it has to be said...

[fried eggs]

Unemployment rate - 6.3%
DOW - Over 16,000+
17.8 Million more insured...

GOBAMA and Dems! Great job!

Flame away...

[Xipe Totec]

1. Lindsay says "I been gassy" nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. These are very impressive numbers.

They are not, however, the only criteria of the health of our nation.

And I'm sure you are aware.

[Phlem]

73. Shhhhhh.

Whatever makes them happy.

[Capt. Obvious]

3. This is going to make some here very upset

[zeemike]

13. I don't think anyone here will be upset with those numbers.

This is not a with us or against us forum.
But those numbers are not the end all...
Unemployment is down, but some of those numbers is because unemployment insurance was not extended and many have given up looking for work or took a job at McDonald's just so they can eat.

The stock market is up...well that is wonderful for those who have a stock portfolieo...they are making money...for those that don't, and that is the same as those out of work and living in their cars...it don't mean shit.

And the ones most happy about the insured is the insurance company...they have millions of new customers to bleed dry...and at least 30% of that money will go into their pockets and make even more money for the same people who are benefiting from the stock market rise.
So the real question is do people get health care?...and if they have a 5000 deductible the answer be no more than before they had insurance.

I am not upset at all by it...I just don't think it solved many problems for people on the bottom 50% of this country...and I care more about them than the top...which is what Democrats used to be all about.

[Maraya1969]

49. J'accuse! vous et GRUMPY CAT!

[Rex]

21. IKR!?

Flame away!

[Capt. Obvious]

24. We can't let them bog us down

[Rex]

25. We must hate them over there, so we don't have to hate them here at home.

Donchknow!

[joshcryer]

43. 3rd post.

[jeff47]

4. BENGHAZI!!!!!! (nt)

[MohRokTah]

6. JINX! eom

[stonecutter357]

62. 911

[MohRokTah]

5. BENGHAZIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!

[iandhr]

7. Don't worry…

…. tomorrow the to reced DU thread will be how Obama is a no different then a Republican.

[Springslips]

9. That what I can't stand.

There is certainly a lot a progressive can criticize Obama for and yet still understand that he is not even close to a republican. It the either/or logical fallacy.

Some world we live in where a poster has to say this will make some members mad because he mentioning the success of a democratic president on a democratic board!

[lovemydog]

11. Welcome to DU Springslips

Have fun here. I guess it takes all kinds to be progressive. I'm of the opinion that we elected the best President we could, and he's doing the best he can. No question in my mind though, that many are hurting from low wages, and our oversized war budget. Things won't change overnight, or from just one person. We've got to get more progressives in Congress. I think we agree on that. Have a good day!

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. Because it has become "Punch a Democrat Underground' ™

[L0oniX]

8. Ben Gazzara is dead.

[lovemydog]

12. Bela Lugozi is too

according to the song.

[L0oniX]

29. He was the best Egore.

[Recursion]

56. No way. Marty Feldman.

[Dustlawyer]

68. Feldman played Igor, not Egor if I recall correctly, but I agree with you, he was awesome!

[WinstonSmith4740]

74. What hump?

n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

27. Thanks, Obama. nt

[kairos12]

10. IRS Teabagger "scandal"

Zombies keep coming back.

[Autumn]

14. Twisting good news into a pretzel just to slam DUers kind of makes DU suck

Just saying. Yes Obama care works and the Unemployment numbers are better. And thats a good thing Why do you want people to flame you?

[Rex]

19. Weekend warrior math always fails the smell test imo.

"You hate him, I know you do!" "flame away!" The only thing more predictable is the rising and setting of the sun.

[Autumn]

33. That's about how it goes.

Predictable and obvious.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. wanting it to and knowing it will are two very different things though...

[Bluenorthwest]

36. I think you got that pretzel thing right

rt

[stonecutter357]

64. Just for you this is what makes DU suck.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024688762
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024740839
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~WilliamPitt
Hate all day every day.

[Autumn]

66. I'm just not sure those links really make the case for Hate all day every day.

[Rafale]

15. 4th Amendment

Toilet paper. Not good.

Banksters in jail--zero. Not good. Huge issues.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

16. You were expecting a negative response? Wrong website, egg, you may be confused.

[Pauldg47]

17. You may be confused?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. No.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. Yes...

[Rex]

18. Yeah I guess he got mixed up on his websites.

Or this is more of the typical, "Here is some great news for progressives BUT I know you all hate the POTUS, I just know you do!" "Flame away!" Someone divide that pretzel logic by 3 and I think they will find it to be weekend warrior type math.

Of course the other all to sad, but common type is, "I support the POTUS, but watch me make an incredibly offensive title about the POTUS...er just because."

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. I think the vast majority of us support progressive wins.

But as you're already aware, some confuse "progressive win" with "unconditional support for the President", which results in the occasional post like the OP above.

[Rex]

23. Yeah, I see some in here trying to pretend that we all hate the POTUS.

Sad, but hey I guess they have nothing else to live for but to project their hate unto us on DU. Go fig.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. It is a particularly pernicious form of rhetoric, as it exploits the President in order to divide

Democrats, thus neutering the good news in the numbers as good news by weaponizing that information. It stinks, this OP and those like it. Stinks.

[Rex]

39. I agree and would bet good money DU reflects poll numbers in which we support the POTUS.

Liberals support this POTUS at around 90% and voted for him around that number too. The people running around crying about everyone on DU hating on the POTUS have a clear cut agenda. No doubt.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. The people who do that first and foremost hate liberal, but they also have other axes to grind

Some of them are agenda driven toxins, others are just people who want to be mean, rude and obnoxious and hide behind Obama's skirts when busted 'you all hate us because we support the President' they say, as if they are not disliked for the rudeness, or for saying gays have plenty of rights or that Latin America is 'but a cyst on the anus of the world'. They say horrible things and act with great aggression and then blame their lack of social acceptance on the President, who is perhaps the most gracious politician I have ever seen. It is really very despicable, and I hope they understand that some people do not fall for the posturing.
I'm a Democrat from generations of Democrats, nothing these fools say can ruffle my feathers, but it is destructive to the Party in general and it can't be good for DU's traffic. It's childish in the tantrum on the floor demanding sense, not in the captivated by wonder sense.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

79. just to add my perspective. ...

I don't think there are layers of complex intent or rhetorical scheming embedded in OP's like this, generally.

The feeling I get about it is more basic: you read a lot of hostile posts about PBO here. Some are good critique---

Yet, it also seems like many are angry venting, blaming an entire sick system on him, mocking specific groups within the DU community, and so forth.

There is enough Flinging going on that the prospect of pointing out PBO successes can be daunting, because it's guaranteed that you will get flamed, insulted, stereotyped. That's the truth here; it can't be denied.

It's a pretty common human behavior to try and protect yourself from attack. Pre-empting is one common way of doing that. Saying "flame away" doesn't sound like some nefarious word play to me, just a little self-defense.

[JI7]

34. when there are posts like this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=794599

[Rex]

35. One person? Where is this Many I keep reading about?

Sorry but not buying what you are selling.

[JI7]

40. things like the fake obamacare stories also

it's clear some are upset by certain things . but these aren't liberals .

[Rex]

42. Yeah no doubt those with an agenda to use good news as a weapon to divide us are not

liberals. No doubt, I agree with that.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. Pretty disgusting to use such a low count outlier poster to characterize anyone other than the

poster, and how insidious to use that shit to suggest there are 'many' like that. So dishonest you become like that poster yourself, mendacity and agenda glued together into a frock of shame.

[okaawhatever]

58. How many more references would you like. There are plenty here. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

70. If your selection was so rich, why did you pick some fly by poster no one here would agree with

on just about anything? That was your choice, that was the example you selected as the very best and most damning.
A thin argument you make for your characterization of a Democratic community. A strained and pained portrait. It is not just the vapidity of the argument, but the lengths you go to make it that I find to be damning and damaging.

[iandhr]

46. It's not uncommon for the top reced post on this thread...

… to be about how Obama is no different than a Republican.

[Number23]

51. Exactly. Day in and day out. And now some are (hilariously) pretending that we must have

imagined all of that and that this forum supports and has always supported this president. And that every post, every thread that called him an empty suit, a moderate Republican, or a piece of shit used car salesman trying to steal Americans' roads and kill people's grandparents were just things we imagined.

[iandhr]

52. You can't say that.

First people will ask for proof.

Then you will cite the proofs. Then someone will alert on your post saying your not allowed to call someone out.

Then your post will be hidden 7-0 where everyone will call you a right-wing troll for defending the President.

[Number23]

57. I know.

Then your post will be hidden 7-0 where everyone will call you a right-wing troll for defending the President.


And people wonder why this place is a broken shell of its former self.

[JI7]

59. and when i read the OP i thought of republicans

because of the benghazi crap they are starting to push again.

but then the first comments were people who took offense and went after the obama group. i thought it was interesting they immediately thought of themselves first .

even they know which threads get the most recs and support .

[Number23]

60. Of course they thought of themselves first. Isn't EVERYTHING about them?

Now, take off your "frock of shame" and get with the program.

[stonecutter357]

63. all day every day

and make sure there is at lest one fuck on the front page.

[Dawson Leery]

26. k/r

[Gothmog]

32. The GOP is hating these numbers

WTG Obama

[Gman]

38. Yeah but we're still in Afghanistan

The purists will say. Corporatists, etc.

[Iliyah]

44. K & R

That's why the GOPers are going all in with the B E N G H A Z I issue. Also, I have always heard from GOPers that Dems are constantly trying to distract from the important issues, ahem, sound like what GOPers do all the damn time. Any legislation from them is unheard of.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

47. Thank you for posting this! nt

[MrMickeysMom]

48. Many here?

I think it's clear people here want American skilled jobs to return. Employment figures can come and go, and if one argues these percentages, it's a rather stupid argument.

The real question is why type of jobs.

[Cha]

50. Thanks Obama!

[IronLionZion]

53. Lucky Rec #100

WOOT! GOBAMA and Dems!!!

[fried eggs]

54. Pleasantly surprised

I'm happy to see that most of the negative people stayed away and allowed this positive thread to stay positive. Thank you.

[joshcryer]

61. We didn't engage them.

That's why.

If only we wouldn't engage them. Note it, but don't engage it.

[blkmusclmachine]

55. Yes, the 1% are doing very well, thank you very much.

[get the red out]

65. How dare you!

Just kidding, this is very good.

[99Forever]

67. WTF?

Flame away?

Drama shop, much?

[Dreamer Tatum]

69. Anyone who crows about that "6.3" number

should shut up forever about long-term unemployment assistance.

[TBF]

71. Great news on the employment front -

and 17.8 more insured is a step in the right direction of ultimately securing single payer in this country.

[Logical]

72. I hope it means a democratic president in 2016. nt

[libodem]

75. I won't flame you

But DU needs a Godzilla smilie with fire breathing capabilities! That would be cool.


Hillary will beat Jebbie boy by a landslide. So flame me.

[carolinayellowdog]

76. two last words turned your positive message into a DU-bashing exercise

"You evil DUers oppose our president and all good things for this nation" was an old, tired, divisive meme back in the Bush years and it is older, tireder, more divisive now.

[defacto7]

77. DOW - Over 16,000+

And that is supposed to be good? Fake money?

It's over valued capitol investment and the perfect machine for plundering middle income, retirement funds, wrecking small business and funneling it to the 1%. We are ripe for another round of "take the money and run". Put another way, it's money with nothing to back it up and therefore just another shell game.

When the pea is dropped from that shell game, you can bet the unemployment number will rocket and many will not be paying their insurance.

So.... what are you happy about?

[DFW]

78. I have 2 comments on the OP

1.) It's great damage control, but the damage has not yet been completely controlled, and we still have a ways to go for progress. I realize that Obama has come a long way just to pull us back to close to zero after Cheney (dba Bush Lite) put us so deep in the hole. But we have to try and get beyond there, and head forward/upward. "Progress" means more than getting back to the surface and treading water. Obama won't have an easy time his last two years, but I give him a lot of credit for swimming upstream since 2011. Granted, the Dow at 16000 is great for those that owned and kept stock, but we have to keep in mind how many Americans didn't share in that rally due to owning no stock. Also, unemployment COULD improve, and we COULD get a lot more of the uninsured insured.

That having been said, a Republican administration these past 6 years would have finished us off, not to mention having given us two MORE members of the Supreme Court in the mode of Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Alito and Roberts. Think of THAT court deciding the issues that come before it for the next 15 years. Scary, huh?

2.) Good as the progress has been, especially under the withering opposition of a press mostly opposed to any progress at all, this country absolutely MUST have a Democratic president for at LEAST four more years if there is be even the slightest solidification of--not to mention building on--the gains we have made since Cheney left office. Preferably with a friendly Senate and House to boot. This will not be easy. Gerrymandering, SCOTUS-enabled dirty money, Republican election fraud and unfriendly media will do their level best to make sure it doesn't happen. Even if it's Hillary, which I still doubt, she'll be FAR preferable to any Republican in the White House. I think I've heard "corporatist!" as often as I've heard "Benghazi!" Neither one impresses me in this case. It's the general tone and direction that the president sets, and if anyone wants a contrast, consider Cheney's pals Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court as opposed to Obama's nominations of Sotomayor and Kagan. Look how the four of them have ruled since being seated. In the words of a 91 year old friend of mine back in the States, "'nuff said!"