Stop freaking about Monica Lewinsky

[boston bean]

you are only feeding into the narrative they would like to spew forth.

And no, it's not going to make us look bad and cause us to lose a presidential election.

Really?? People think Hillary shouldn't be voted for because of Monica! What a frickin laugh riot.

[liberal N proud]

1. Benghazi!

[trof]

55. And...Benghazi!...Benghazi!...Benghazi!

[misterhighwasted]

2. Monica's already old news.

Cash in & move on Monica.
Bye

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Amen

Lewinsky was irrelevant then and she's irrelevant now. That was a private family matter that had no business being on the national stage.

[boston bean]

5. Do you think we will start to see posts

about how Bill lied under oath and that's why no one should vote for Hillary?

[JustAnotherGen]

10. I don't know

And I don't know WHY this woman (who is my age - and I 'felt' this - 1st President I GOTV for AND voted for) is bringing this up now.

But I know this - I'm no angel.

I'm no better or worse than Monica.

These nitwits who are 'slut shaming' her are obviously goodie goodie two shoes who have NEVER fucked up on anything in their life, broken a law, etc. etc. They are up on their moral fucking high horses and they are no better than some religious freak snot on the 'right' with this shit.

They can't see it boston - seriously. . . they can't see what sanctimonious stuck up snobby little snots they are being with this bullshit.

But at the end of the day - it's got absolutely NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton. Nothing at all. She wasn't a part of the affair and good, bad, or indifferent - maybe she LOVED the guy and stuck with him out of that. No one EVER suggests that.

So if he was still good enough for Secretary of State, Senator and former First Lady of the USA - he's good enough for me. Her life, her choices -

But it's not a reflection on her ability to do a job that she's qualified to do.

Shit - if being cheated on makes a woman unworthy of leadership in ANY field, in any profession - I wonder what the 'real agenda' is here?

Is it slut shaming Monica?
Or painting Hillary Clinton as a weak woman that got punked?

[cyberswede]

11. Great points

...especially this:

Shit - if being cheated on makes a woman unworthy of leadership in ANY field, in any profession - I wonder what the 'real agenda' is here?

Is it slut shaming Monica?
Or painting Hillary Clinton as a weak woman that got punked?

I expect we will see this sort of thing - either implied or overtly stated - from the RW should Hillary decide to run. Sadly, I fear we may see some of it here, as well.

[hfojvt]

21. I think the reason this woman is bringing this up now

is because the media keeps bringing her name up now that Hillary is being talked about for 2016.

I think she even said something like that "People keep talking about me, so I want to tell my side of the story."

[GeorgeGist]

25. Great Freak

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

27. I think the Republican party will push that meme in 2015/16, among other memes

And the "No Hillary" crowd here will freak out and say "Yes....yes....my God we cannot nominate her! She's in trouble! She can't overcome these reminders!" and the Conservative Cave trolls will add their concern....and Vince Foster and Gennifer Flowers and Juanita Broderick and Ron Brown and Whitewater.........

None of it will work, by the way.

[A Simple Game]

34. The "No Hillary" crowd is smarter than you think.

I number myself among the "No Hillary" crowd for several good reasons, none of which have anything to do with sex, Hillary's or anyone else's. I oppose Hillary because I am a liberal and no true liberal would deny any consenting adults because of anything to do with sex, nor would we seek to punish their spouses.

All I see in your post is another made up excuse, of something that hasn't and is unlikely to happen, to bash liberals. Shame on you.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

41. Oh, please

There are liberals, moderates, libertarians and conservatives who will do whatever they have to when they are really against someone. Same thing with Obama. They will use anything to smear him. You have to make that decision how far you are willing to go to keep her out of the general election.

Sounds like you have limits. Glad to hear that, but one's political ideology, left or right, does not always gauge how willing they are to sacrifice their own dignity and credibility to drag someone in the mud. Right-wingers play dirty politics more and better than anyone, but don't fool yourself that some liberals, whether you want to put the term in quotes or not, won't.

[A Simple Game]

47. Of course some liberals will, just as many conservatives on DU bash liberals. n/t

[Whisp]

4. It's freakworthy to see a woman treated like this

and the guy gets away with it with his pride intact but she is forever wearing the scarlet letter.

It's like the freaking 1950s here, where the woman takes the brunt of all that crap and Mr. Whistle Pants just trundles along like he wasn't responsible for his own lack of self control because he was bedazzled by that woman thing and couldn't help himself - you know how that is.

[boston bean]

6. And how his wife (Hillary) ought to take the brunt of his actions.

It's mind boggling!

[JustAnotherGen]

28. This times 1000000!

[gollygee]

44. That's what's been getting me

Hillary Clinton didn't do anything with Monica Lewinsky. Why is this being used as an attack against HRC?

[Rebubula]

8. Lost Respect for Bill

Campaigned for him in '92 and voted for him twice....but lost a lot of respect for him because of this.

My main issue is that - how can you trust a person that is willing to lie to his family about the most sacred of promises?

Now....some apologists may say 'You do not know, they may have had an open arrangement' - OK, let's say they did....in that case, How can you trust someone in power that would throw someone with no power under the bus to save their own hide?

I will campaign and vote for Hillary (assuming she runs\is nominated) but only because of her actions in the last 16 years.

I still have little faith in Bill...

[misterhighwasted]

9. You talk like they were in Junior High.

Never mind.
Believe what you want.

[snooper2]

26. Bill Clinton is still mocked to this day, even by Miley Cyrus LOL

Miley Cyrus Bangerz Tour Mocks Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky Scandal

[DirkGently]

7. Some really thin-skinned, paranoid partisans around here.

Jesus. What a crippled worldview some people have. To leap up and start screaming "slut" at Monica Lewinsky because ... RAWRRR HILLARY?

[boston bean]

12. I don't think those who support Hillary are the ones

insinuating Monica is a slut. Are they?

[moriah]

14. What I don't get is why a woman....

.... either has to have been taken advantage of, or be a "slut". There's no middle ground -- that a grown woman is fully capable of making her own decisions regarding her body and what she chooses to do with it and still not be a "bad person", just a person who made a really bad choice if they chose to mess around with someone who is married -- and there should be.

[DirkGently]

18. Why the foam-flecked anti-Monica rage then?

Looks to me like the Monica-shaming is all coming from a "Her recent interview is a Republican plot to tangentially embarrass Hillary somehow" POV.

Why else are the pointy heads exploding?

It's an old story, and Bill's out of politics. It was a thing that happened. But the response from some is that we must now suddenly re-litigate who was "more" at fault, and that should be Lewinsky.

Which, by the way, is wrong, as it would be the older, married, most powerful man in the world, not the 20-yr-old intern, if we must go there.

I don't see any way to read so much anger as anything but defensive partisan knee-jerking based on the ludicrous fear that somehow Hillary will be impacted. It's a threat response, from people who see everything as a threat.

Which is a quintessentially conservative reaction, but the way. Thus the attempted "slut shaming." Upset a conservative, Republican or Democrat, and watch out for the race / sex / religion / orientation / whatever - based slurs.

[boston bean]

40. ummm.... anti hillary... just maybe.....

[DirkGently]

42. How do you figure that?

What I've seen is, "Poor Hillary, that awful sl*t is crying out for attention again." As in,


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4918456


What would the anti-Hillary motivation be, vis a vis flipping out about Lewinsky?

[boston bean]

45. Really? That's all you've seen? Ok...

[DirkGently]

46. Who else on DU would be going nuts?

People not inclined to support Hillary, or neutral toward her, are hardly going to "freak out" about Monica Lewinsky popping up again.

I don't know if Republicans think Monica Lewinsky is a reason not to vote for Hillary, but would be kind of a weird argument to begin with.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan

I'm not voting for Hillary, Warren, or Sanders in a Primary. I have different reasons for these three names being bandied about not getting my Primary vote. If by the time the primary gets to NJ it's all I've got? I'll sit out and just blindly press the D button in November 2016.

I come at this strictly from the perspective of: who fucks who is none of my business. If you blow someone - it's none of my business. If you get blown it's none of my business.

What does that have to do with an election?

[DirkGently]

24. Yes, exactly. It's a non-issue.

Why would any Democrat react to Monica Lewinsky giving an interview with fear and outrage?

It's a long-deceased sex scandal that reflected only on Bill, who survived it, and is no longer in politics.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. It's not fear or outrage on my part

It's boredom.

The Lewinsky/Bill Clinton affair was boring in the 1990's - and it's boring now.

[DirkGently]

30. Thus you're not slut-shaming Lewinsky.

Those who are, are clearly terrified and angry.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4918456

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I saw that it

Was brought up in HOF.

Guess how old I am? 41.
Guess what I did in college? Hooked up.

This is boring - we were ALL doing this shit in the 1990's - remember "the New Face of Aids" article that came out -I want to say in Spring 1993?

I remember sniggering with my girlfriends about this because we were like -

Wait - we're sluts?

And second -

Wait - why is everyone being nosy and sticking their noses where it doesn't belong?




Now - that said - the person who posted that and it was allowed to remain - they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

But they aren't.

And I'll get a hide if I point out what I think of 'where that venom' REALLY came from.

[Adrahil]

15. Honestly, we're still talking about this 15 years later?

Holy smoke... it'snot like we have anything better to talk about, I guess!

[Louisiana1976]

51. Well said.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

16. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me

Hillary was the "victim" here. She didn't DO anything in regards to Ms. Lewinsky. Ms. Lewinsky and her husband were the ones with the bad judgement in that situation. It had NOTHING to do with Hillary, so..........back to Benghazi now.

[NYC_SKP]

17. I'm far more disgusted by the way Monica is being discussed and insulted by fellow progressives.

This disturbs me far more than any of the political fallout.

But I totally agree, the second most disturbing thing is that anyone thinks any of this makes any difference.

If anything, it will backfire the same way resistance to the ACA is backfiring now.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. On top of that, nothing like beating a dead horse over two years berfore the 2016 election

By the time Hillary gets nominated, if Hillary gets nominated, they will be in the doubly ludicrous position of trying to beat an already beaten to a pulp dead horse, if they insist on bringing it up again, again then.

[Nye Bevan]

20. I thought Hillary was commendably dignified through the whole thing.

If anything, it increased my respect for her. And rather than trying to stop the conversation, I would let everyone talk about it until they are bored and have nothing more to say, well in advance of the election season.

[The_Commonist]

22. Actually, I think the timing is great!

This was bound to happen eventually. Ms. Lewinsky was going to talk about it all at some point, and I think this is a fine time for her to do it. There will be some yammering for the next couple of months, and then it will go away by the time the mid-terms roll around. By the time Mrs. Clinton secures the nomination (if that's what wants to happen) this will be totally forgotten.

Frankly, the timing is such that she's doing the Clintons a huge favor. This will take the wind out of so many sails.

[karynnj]

31. I agree - it is far better now than June - November 2016

Even then, it is not that related to where the two candidates want to take the country.

(This said even though I was mystified in 2004 on why Bill Clinton put on his book and had his book tour in June and July 2004 - where one of the first questions always seemed to be about Monica. Even though his wife was not the candidate, this is not the discussion that any Democrat wants in the lead up to the convention --- and it would be more so for his wife. So, it is likely good that this comes out now as it leaves nothing that is likely to come out when people are making their decisions.)

[meegbear]

23. I'm not.

[Initech]

33. No I don't think Hillary should be voted for because I'm tired of seeing the same people in power.

Sure you can get mad at me and throw things at me for saying this but I can't be in the minority here. Seriously we elected Reagan twice and then elected his vice president once, and then elected and reelected the vice president's son twice (although technically the first election didn't count) and it couldn't get any worse than that. Clinton was a great president but do we really want to keep electing the same people over and over and become like the republicans? Really? I'd personally much rather see a Sanders / Warren ticket, that would the best thing to happen to us and it would be a nightmare for Wall St. And I'd much rather see them appoint Scalia and Thomas' successors.

[Inkfreak]

35. It's sad that Monica's new interview is what passes for political discussion.

I honestly haven't read it because it rates a zero on my interest meter. I couldn't agree with you more BB.

[NM_Birder]

36. Lying about Monica was not the worst thing about Bill Clinton

NAFTA was.

[tea and oranges]

39. Repealing Glass-Steagall! nt

[Martin Eden]

37. What's this got to do with the next election?

Is Hillary running for something in 2014?

I clicked on this thread just to see if old Loose Lips was in the news for something.

[tea and oranges]

38. Allow Me to Express My Sympathy for Ms Lewinsky

That entire episode of American history is a disgrace. I was deeply offended at the time over the slut-shaming of Ms Lewinsky, the way she was called fat, the way the president was ridiculed for his taste in women. It was a too-good-to-be-true opportunity for the R's to trash Clinton & hate on women publicly. Including Hillary.

What's bothered me to this day is that the Clinton's weathered the scandal just fine, thank you. But Lewinsky? Here is a bright, well-educated woman whose career has been short-circuited. Can you even imagine a young man bringing her home to meet his mother as his intended bride? The type of shame she was subjected to lasts a lifetime.

Maybe she did snap her thong at Clinton, but as the older person w/ far more power, it was up to him to resist. He didn't & added to Lewinsky's shame by saying, "I did not have sex w/ that woman."

If Lewinsky wants to speak, I say let her. Let her say whatever she wants, whenever. Certainly she's earned that right.

[misterhighwasted]

43. Agree but then she should be speaking the truth.

Rather than invoking the innocent name of Tyler Clementi who had done nothing to be so humiliated. Monica was in the Oval Office playing the game right along with the Pres. Her humiliation was brought on by her own behavior & stupidity.

What did she think the world would say about her? "Oh that poor innocent girl"?
Haa. She played the same game as the Pres & they both got caught.
Which of the two wears that scarlet letter better than the other is a mute point.

It is what she says now, many years later, & who she blames for her humiliation that was created by the two of them. Everyone but her.
The whole thing was the mutual creation of two dummies having a little nasty fun. Don't cry about it after the fact Mz Lewinsky.

Who knows, maybe she needs the cash.

[tea and oranges]

48. I don't think you do agree.

What is this talk of scarlet letters? Sounds like more slut-shaming to me!

ML was 20 years old, an intern. Sex happens. Sometimes inappropriately. This is nothing new.

The entire rightwing (& some of the left) mocked her, called her names. What the media did is beyond explanation. In fact. that's when I stopped reading Maureen Dowd, who's obsession w/ ML was downright creepy.

What closure has ML had on this? BC's a revered ex-pres. HRC's pushing to become the next president. This very promising young woman's life was truncated by a sexual relationship w/ the most powerful man in the world who should have known better.

C'mon, have some compassion. What if we all had to live our entire lives around an early sexual encounter that humiliated & shamed us & there was no way we could ever shake it? We've already seen too many kids raped, the videos posted, then bullied, then kill themselves.

[stevenleser]

49. If she "thought about the world" history would have suggested that nothing would be said.

Out of 42 Presidents up until that time including Clinton, 38 or more probably had affairs including probably all the recent ones except Carter.

This was considered, until Clinton, not a subject that should be raised.

Every line of attack on Monica is ridiculous.

[misterhighwasted]

50. my issue with Lewinsky is her mention of

Tyler Clementi. He was innocent. She was not.
Thats it.
Have a great afternoon.
Enough said about Monica.

[m-lekktor]

52. I agree. besides, bill clinton isn't the one running for president.

I really don't see how this would harm Hillary since SHE wasn't the one who had the fling.

[tea and oranges]

53. You're using logic

Something no good rightwinger would ever do!

Do you think, m-lekktor, that R candidate's recent statements how it's a woman's fault if her husband strays are a lead in to attacking Hillary for Bill's blow jobs?

That could be fuckin hilarious!

The only thing I liked about the Clinton scandal was that the whole country was talking about oral sex! Awesome.

[misterhighwasted]

54. I'm guessing its intended to keep constituents divided.

Other than Joe Scar running with this story today, I have not heard much else said, although I don't watch Fox nEEWS.

I think the whole rehash of this dreadful sickening time will run its course and just in time for the Benghazi hearings to begin.
This is all the GOP has to sling at Hillary.
kinda pathetic