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MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:48 PM May 2014

President Obama Never Fails To Disappoint

Even before President Obama was elected to be President, I invited him, via email, to my home for a simple dinner, on one of his campaign trips to Minneapolis. Sadly, I got an email letter declining my invitation. I don't believe he wrote it, though.

Since then, every time he has come to Minneapolis, I have invited him to my home for the same simple dinner. Sometimes, I get a form email in return, declining my kind invitation. Other times, I get no response at all.

It's always a disappointment, and I'm not going to invite him again. In fact, I refuse to vote for him again in 2016. That should show him the cost of disappointing this voter, I think.

Please DURec this post if you're also disappointed for a similar reason.

Disappointment-Way MineralManny

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President Obama Never Fails To Disappoint (Original Post) MineralMan May 2014 OP
I am dissapointed in him because he has so far not RSVP'ed your invitation. It's ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #1
Thank you for your support. MineralMan May 2014 #3
This has opened a real can of worms in our family. GOPee May 2014 #117
I'm disappointed that he hasn't replaced all JaneyVee May 2014 #2
And think of all the jobs that would have created, too! MineralMan May 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko May 2014 #57
Well what were you going to make? el_bryanto May 2014 #5
I was torn between rack of New Zealand lamb MineralMan May 2014 #6
har-har jollyreaper2112 May 2014 #7
Yah, well, it was a personal disappointment. MineralMan May 2014 #8
yeah, right jollyreaper2112 May 2014 #14
I believe you may be misunderestimating the seriesness MineralMan May 2014 #17
This ain't time to be... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #37
. Jamaal510 May 2014 #66
It's high time someone understood Raine1967 May 2014 #47
When I agreed to chair one of the local committees in Obama's 2012 campaign, maddiemom May 2014 #128
GITMO failed in senate 96-4, and JaneyVee May 2014 #15
Now, don't confuse the poster. MineralMan May 2014 #19
Closing Gitmo did not fail in the senate. zeemike May 2014 #45
No snark: what are you talking about? Raine1967 May 2014 #48
How soon we forgit... zeemike May 2014 #54
The article clearly states that this bill was proposed by "Jim Moran". Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #69
Well that is normal procedure for introducing a bill in the house. zeemike May 2014 #74
And that is the CIC how? Raine1967 May 2014 #79
And in your fevered imagination, that means the president instigated it? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #144
Has he gotten a brain yet? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #80
DUzy! riqster May 2014 #133
But it cannot be closed without funding to transfer the prisoners. NYC Liberal May 2014 #52
The house controls the purse strings not the Senate. zeemike May 2014 #59
Revenue bills originate in the House, but the Senate still has to pass them. NYC Liberal May 2014 #67
Not true... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #83
The congress does not control the military...never has. zeemike May 2014 #86
WOW! You sure know a LOT about the Constitution Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #89
Only what I learned in grade school civics. zeemike May 2014 #97
You might want to take a little more in depth course Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #109
Well you don't need to be a weatherman zeemike May 2014 #113
Yeah....no Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #115
It is not the hammer that drives the nail zeemike May 2014 #116
Oh dear god... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #119
And I could say that you did not learn much from history zeemike May 2014 #122
Holy shit... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #131
Obama had the house and senate in his first two years. zeemike May 2014 #139
I give up.... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #141
So do I. zeemike May 2014 #146
Right--here's my primer for grade school civics... msanthrope May 2014 #110
You don't need money to stop doing something zeemike May 2014 #112
Okay..is it that you do not understand that not only was the money cut off, but specific legislation msanthrope May 2014 #114
Well I would tell you what someone like Truman would have done. zeemike May 2014 #118
You do realize that the Youngstown decision proves you historically inaacurate? nt msanthrope May 2014 #121
You know that old saying about never argue with a fool? Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #134
What does that have to do with this? zeemike May 2014 #140
He did order it closed via EO ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #104
The fact that you're unaware that the President can't unilaterally close Gitmo ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #28
Amen Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #84
K&R Quackers May 2014 #9
Well, I never! MineralMan May 2014 #11
i invited him to sing a duet with me… hopemountain May 2014 #32
DUzy! CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #34
Bet he didn't even send a card. Bobbie Jo May 2014 #77
Bo and Sunny sunnystarr May 2014 #120
Maybe you should offer more dessert. That always works on me. nt okaawhatever May 2014 #10
Perhaps you're right. MineralMan May 2014 #12
Yes, with a photo. SomeGuyInEagan May 2014 #129
Yeah, but you KNOW he likes pie. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #130
Ha! You just don't know if you don't try/ask. Whisp May 2014 #13
That is true. However, as a long-time MineralMan May 2014 #16
You've converted me sharp_stick May 2014 #18
Between you and me, that'll show him, for sure. MineralMan May 2014 #20
It's an outrage sharp_stick May 2014 #21
"All depends. Whatcha got in the oven?" lpbk2713 May 2014 #22
I used to trivialize and minimize the valid concerns of others too. LanternWaste May 2014 #23
So you're back to it, huh? OilemFirchen May 2014 #39
This was alerted on. 7-0 leave. n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #24
LOL! nt MineralMan May 2014 #63
If it goes 7-0 you should get to know their username AAO May 2014 #68
I am surprised iandhr May 2014 #94
Where you on the jury? iandhr May 2014 #95
LOL. Certainly wasn't me. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #98
Yes, I was n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #101
I saw him in Minneapolis IronLionZion May 2014 #25
Yup, that's about the nature of the 'disappointments' around here, Man. elleng May 2014 #26
Like Cornel West, I am disappointed that I didn't get front row seats to his inaugural Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #27
i am very disappointed that, although he himself did autograph it, mopinko May 2014 #29
Hey DonCoquixote May 2014 #30
I'll certainly keep that in mind. MineralMan May 2014 #75
Yeah, for a brief time, Third-Way Manny became Mirror-Manny. randome May 2014 #85
When does your biography of me go on sale? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #99
I've posted with Third-Way Manny... RufusTFirefly May 2014 #31
Thank Jeebus. nt tridim May 2014 #123
And he didn't get me a pony either! Prophet 451 May 2014 #33
not enough Chuuku Davis May 2014 #35
When he was elected POTUS, did you include or excluse his entourage- No Vested Interest May 2014 #36
I know! Obama didn't sign my basketball! MannyGoldstein May 2014 #38
Thaks, Manny! MineralMan May 2014 #62
Somebody adores you. Rex May 2014 #103
I'm disappointed davidpdx May 2014 #111
That's the way to get people to come around. vi5 May 2014 #40
rsvp kardonb May 2014 #41
Believe me, you don't want him at your dinner table. Martin Eden May 2014 #42
I keep waiting for him to stop by on his way to O'Hare sometime... greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #43
Is he that guy who goes everywhere Michelle goes? struggle4progress May 2014 #44
lol treestar May 2014 #46
You know, Obama likes Pie… Raine1967 May 2014 #49
Did you give him a menu? Historic NY May 2014 #50
Oh aren't you clever! Maven May 2014 #51
You know what they say about imitation... Fearless May 2014 #53
Yeah, Im not going to vote for him either. DCBob May 2014 #55
I am flat our disappointed that he flat out refuses to run again in 2016. sheshe2 May 2014 #56
I'm disappointed because he gave me a painted pony and I wanted a black one with white socks. aikoaiko May 2014 #58
I did't get a pony, either...but I got a horse a little later on. Maybe there's a lesson of maddiemom May 2014 #132
Are you a good cook. Then invite me over instead. n/t totodeinhere May 2014 #60
You should have invited Joe instead. randome May 2014 #61
Joe would totally come. nt Hekate May 2014 #105
Getting him to leave is the hard part. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #108
Yeah, fuck the bastard. I'm voting Sanders in16 AAO May 2014 #64
You go, AAO! MineralMan May 2014 #65
Choking with laughter - a freaking DUzy malaise May 2014 #70
Damn, that's good! Aldo Leopold May 2014 #71
I'm planning on voting Jamaal510 May 2014 #72
Just think, what would Jesus have done? ananda May 2014 #73
Even Jesus got no respect in his home town. MineralMan May 2014 #76
Still waiting for my Anti-Gravity Boots and Free Government Blow Job Robot thelordofhell May 2014 #78
He turned me into a Newt! Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #81
If he turned you into a Newt... iandhr May 2014 #92
Let's just watch the whole thing, shall we? Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #93
Thank you iandhr May 2014 #96
In ways I'm disappointed and in other ways think May 2014 #82
He is a wise man. rug May 2014 #87
Too funny, thank you uppityperson May 2014 #88
you never really loved him!!111!!1!! dionysus May 2014 #90
I am disappointed…. iandhr May 2014 #91
I saw what you did there, and I'm so disappointed. >sigh< KnR Hekate May 2014 #100
Maybe he declined Union Scribe May 2014 #102
I just wanted a little time with him Jay, Bey, Michelle, and Joe. bravenak May 2014 #106
I thought he'd teach my dog to do tricks. undeterred May 2014 #107
URinvited:Dinner in Minneapolis/June 26/$32,400 per couple/$20,000 4 photo op with Obama Divernan May 2014 #124
Have you invited Elizabeth Warren yet? I bet she doesn't disappoint! berni_mccoy May 2014 #125
I too am disappointed that he has not had a beer with me liberal N proud May 2014 #126
I have invited him to every one of my birthday parties since he was elected. Lint Head May 2014 #127
I share your disappointment. He clearly is not interested in doing anything about rhett o rick May 2014 #135
I'm disappointed in him too... Blanks May 2014 #136
Nice satire. DinahMoeHum May 2014 #137
Partisans and their obsession with personality; ronnie624 May 2014 #138
I know how you feel. onethatcares May 2014 #142
Hmph! I can't believe he didn't come. MineralMan May 2014 #143
nah, something about him onethatcares May 2014 #145
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
1. I am dissapointed in him because he has so far not RSVP'ed your invitation. It's
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:54 PM
May 2014

clear you want to have him over for dinner and yet you can't even so much as expect to receive a written note politely declining your invitation. To do otherwise is somewhat rude in the face of your great effort to feed him a simple meal.

So, yes. For that reason, I am also disappointed in him and shall not expend my very important vote on him in 2016.

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
3. Thank you for your support.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:55 PM
May 2014

Now, maybe I should have sent him an engraved invitation, which would have required a hand-written response, but I chose the modern way of issuing a dinner invitation.

I recommend that no disappointed DUer vote for him in 2016, in a show of solidarity in protest.

GOPee

(58 posts)
117. This has opened a real can of worms in our family.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:25 AM
May 2014

Whether you know it or not, this conundrum has been a thorn in the side of our internal political discussions within our family regarding our Affirmative Action, hospitality policies. Our President can afford us the opportunity of either checking off any number of boxes, or throw our numbers off completely.

We decided long ago, in a brief moment of clarity within the family, that we agreed to reassign the President to a Bi Racial subcategory from African American, which we felt was too divisive, given his questionable Birth thingy. Here is the rub, two of my offspring have married outside the acceptable racial norms, affording our flexibility in assigning our invitations to whichever categorically balance we needed to maintain a politically perfect appearance in our Liberal credentials and still claim our Progressive affiliations.

Collectively, we decided not to extend an invitation to our PODUS, for no other reason than we didn't believe he would accept, but because he might, and we didn't need his Black side, we felt his White heritage was overrepresented in our weekly entertainment allotments. If he accepted, the real divisiveness arises if he brought his First lady, and the Children, we couldn't agree on any of the most desired assignments.

Well I hope I made my point.. what ever.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. I'm disappointed that he hasn't replaced all
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:54 PM
May 2014

Stairs in America with escalators. ITS FREAKIN 2014, WHY ARE WE STILL CLIMBING STAIRS!!! THANKS OBAMA

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
4. And think of all the jobs that would have created, too!
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:56 PM
May 2014

Clearly, he doesn't care about jobs for escalator installation technicians.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
6. I was torn between rack of New Zealand lamb
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:58 PM
May 2014

and New England Pot Roast.

If he can't eat either of those, well, I just don't know...

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
7. har-har
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:59 PM
May 2014

Way to make light of the real betrayals. How about that promise not to appoint lobbyists to run major agencies? Whoops. How about not closing GITMO? Continuing drone strikes? Attacking whistleblowers?

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
8. Yah, well, it was a personal disappointment.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:00 PM
May 2014

And those are the worst of all. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Really.

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
14. yeah, right
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:11 PM
May 2014

I hate the fan club mentality. Obama is a winsome guy. He and his family are quite nice to look at. They all photograph well. He'd make a good celebrity endorser for various products. And that sort of star power can be great for pushing an agenda, when sheer force of personality is the only thing that will make things happen. FDR, man.

But he's not really doing that, is he? He's not advocating, he's not pushing, he's not risking. He's negotiating with himself, talking down his own positions to seek a middle ground with Republicans who are always pulling right. It's always the explanation of why change can't happen, why expectations must be lowered, how we must content ourselves with the new normal. The Republicans are never running defense against him, it's always offense.

We don't elect a president to pose for pictures and be winsome. We elect a president to get shit done. And all we've really seen is a continuation of the same corporatist shit that happened under Bush. We nominally changed parties but never changed agendas.

I enthusiastically voted for Obama the first time and did it with resignation the second. I hold no hopes for getting anything better with the next Democrat, whoever gets the nomination. The choice between Democrat and Republican seems to be in how fast you want things to get worse.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
37. This ain't time to be...
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:15 PM
May 2014

SERIES!!1!1 Er...I mean this ain't no time to not be misunderestimating...er......

Seriesly. Get yer shite together, MM.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
128. When I agreed to chair one of the local committees in Obama's 2012 campaign,
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:40 AM
May 2014

I agreed but was less than enthusiastic (although once in, I gave it 100%). He
had disappointed me hugely in his first term, but I recognized that he was facing unprecedented opposition. The Republicans had already showed us their current day version of the "loyal opposition" with Bill Clinton, so I could just imagine...I hoped in a second term he was show some backbone and hidden liberal tendencies. Well it turned out as you said, sadly. The only thing worse would have been Romney in the White House. Talk about a rock and a hard place.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
15. GITMO failed in senate 96-4, and
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:11 PM
May 2014

Did he really say he wasn't going to use drones? He campaigned on ramping up Afghan war and he signed whistleblower protections.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
45. Closing Gitmo did not fail in the senate.
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:43 PM
May 2014

The funding to build a new Gitmo in the US failed.
As CIC he could order it closed today and the Senate or house would have no say in it whatsoever.

But sense the House would not let him build a new one he has an excuse...and some of us are tired of lame excuses.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
48. No snark: what are you talking about?
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:59 PM
May 2014

The CIC did order it closed. I remember that executive order.

What do you mean about building a new Gitmo?

Do you have links to back this up?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
54. How soon we forgit...
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:19 PM
May 2014
Expansion of prisons to house Gitmo detainees rejected in House

The House on Tuesday evening defeated a Democratic attempt to let the government spend money to expand U.S. prisons so they can house terrorist suspects now held in Guantánamo Bay.

Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) proposed an amendment to the military construction spending bill for 2014 that would kill language prohibiting funds from being used to expand U.S. prisons for this purpose.

Language in the bill, H.R. 2216, holds that "none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Department of Defense in this Act may be used to construct, renovate, or expand any facility in the United States, its territories, or possessions to house any individual detained at United States Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for the purposes of detention or imprisonment in the custody or under the control of the Department of Defense."
Moran urged members to support his amendment to strike this language. Aside from arguing that holding terrorist suspects in Cuba does not meet U.S. standards of justice, he said there are other reasons why it is better for the United States to hold them in the country.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/303455-house-rejects-expansion-of-us-prisons-to-house-guantanamo-detainees#ixzz314STwmQ8
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Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
79. And that is the CIC how?
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:28 PM
May 2014

you put this on the CIC.

you said that -- do please explain to me, what you meant?

NYC Liberal

(20,138 posts)
52. But it cannot be closed without funding to transfer the prisoners.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:15 PM
May 2014

So yes, it was made impossible by the Senate blocking funding.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
59. The house controls the purse strings not the Senate.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:26 PM
May 2014

And no they did not have to be transfered until they were found guilty of a crime, and the federal government has a prison at FT. Leavenworth to send them too once convicted of a crime.
There are still people there not even charged with a crime...and have been there for a decade...in complete violation of our constitution.

And Gitmo is a military base and a military operation...the POTUS is CIC and the congress has no authority over the military.

NYC Liberal

(20,138 posts)
67. Revenue bills originate in the House, but the Senate still has to pass them.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:44 PM
May 2014

So of course the Senate can block funding.

And, yes, Congress does have authority over the military. Where do you think the laws governing the military come from? From the Constitution:

The Congress shall have Power...

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
...
To ... make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
...
To raise and support Armies
...
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces


http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
83. Not true...
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:34 PM
May 2014

There is an empty prison in Carroll County, Illinois that is (and was) prepared to accept Gitmo prisoners on quite short notice. The move was blocked in the House -- which at the time was controlled by the Democrats. There was a prior vote in the Senate to close Gitmo and relocate the detainees. That move failed in the Senate because only six Democratic Senators voted to close Gitmo.

So you're pretty much a hundred yards off base on that one.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
86. The congress does not control the military...never has.
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:44 PM
May 2014

Gitmo is 100% military controlled and operated under the defense department on a military base in a foreign country...The CIC has complete control of that not the congress.
What the house vote was about was allocating money for a new prison in the US...they said no, so Obama had an excuse for not dealing with Gitmo as he should have, which was to tell the DOD to try them or let them go...and close down that prison...only HE can do that.
Any vote the Senate would take would be a resolution not a law.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
89. WOW! You sure know a LOT about the Constitution
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:10 PM
May 2014

That whole "allocating money" thing is just a teensy bit important because without the funding to transfer the detainees or the funding to try them as civilians in federal court, the President is pretty much stuck. Without funding approval, he can't even try them in military tribunals if Congress doesn't authorize it -- and then there's the still-sticky problem of where to house those who have been convicted. And, you know, how to pay for it.

The only alternative would be to simply release about 150 suspected terrorists into the wild -- and unless we're just going to walk them through the gates and into Cuba, even THAT would require funding authorization. It's not like Obama can just go out on Travelocity and start buying one-way airline tickets.

And I say again, the House wasn't voting to build a new prison. The prison already already exists - here's a picture of it, for crying out loud:



And the vote by the Senate was a Military Appropriations Bill -- a bill where the funding had already been stripped out in the House version.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
97. Only what I learned in grade school civics.
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:57 PM
May 2014

But they probably don't teach that any more.
Did congress approve and appropriate money to create the prison at Gitmo?...well yes they did it the Defense authoration...but it was left up to the president as how best to spend the money...and he chose to put a prison there and detain them indefinitely even if they had no charges against them.
They could of and should have been tried by military tribunal and dealt with the guilty and released the inocent...but Bush decided not to , and Obama decided not to embarrass Bush by setting the wrong right...and of course sense Obama is doing it now we have to make excuses for it and the best one is "his hands were tied"

And that is bullshit...his hands were not tied at least according to the constitution...as CIC of the military he could have ordered the DOD to deal with it and close the base and stop the torture...and they would have to obey or become another MacArthur and fade away.
All of this just makes him look weak...and makes us embrace the weak to protect him...And that makes the on the fence voter think less of us.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
113. Well you don't need to be a weatherman
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:32 AM
May 2014

To know which way the wind blows.
And I see a white man of a privileged family as president get everything he wanted...then I see a black man as president who can't get shit done, and not once would I think that it was because of some intricate detail of our democracy that caused it.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
115. Yeah....no
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:03 AM
May 2014

That "intricate detail of our democracy" is called the United States Congress. The Bush Klan got away with their crimes largely because Congress let them do it.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
119. Oh dear god...
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:35 AM
May 2014

You didn't apparently learn much in that 8th grade civics class...

Spoiler Alert: Separation of Powers

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
122. And I could say that you did not learn much from history
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:04 AM
May 2014

That same congress existed in the past and presidents dealt with it...FDR is the best example because he had a hostile congress too and he used his mandate to push through things like the CCC within the first year of his first term...and the new deal and SS.
Truman had great opposition in congress but ended segregation in the military to the dismay of southern Democrats...

But to be fair it is a new world today...our president must cow tow to the rich donors who fund politics, and so he is far less powerful on things they don't like.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
131. Holy shit...
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:54 AM
May 2014

You do realize, don't you, that the composition of Congress changes over time, right? We have elections and new people show up and old ones retire or are voted out of office?

Spoiler Alert: Henry T. Rainey is no longer Speaker of the House!

As to Roosevelt's "hostile" Congress, I hardly know where to start. Roosevelt had large Democratic majorities throughout most of his tenure in office, and the opposition to his policies was not even slightly comparable to the visceral response that Obama has faced. Roosevelt faced far more opposition from the Supreme Court than he did from Congress during his first six years in office.

For Roosevelt, it wasn't until the mid-term election of 1938 that Republicans and anti-New Deal Democrats had enough votes to effectively thwart any more New Deal policies. And that's precisely what they did -- the New Deal largely came to an end (to be replaced by World War II). So your thesis (Roosevelt did, so why can't Obama?) is basically refuted by the historical facts.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
139. Obama had the house and senate in his first two years.
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:21 PM
May 2014

If you can't get anything done when your party is in control then you will never do it.
And the excuse then was that he did not have a supper majority in the Senate...and now it is that the house is controlled by the GOP...excuses.
But FDR used the power he had to move things forward...but those things benefited people and so he was unstoppable because of it.
There was none of that in the first two years of the Obama administration...he appointed Wall Street and took the public option off the table, and called his base the "professional left" and dismissed them...and he lost the mid term because of it.
I even made excuses for him for the first term...thinking that once he no longer had to face re election things would change and I voted for him again...well that never happened and the first thing after the election he purposed chained CPI and the TPP...so I no longer feel the need to make excuses for him and I will not.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
141. I give up....
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:40 PM
May 2014

I can tolerate willful ignorance for only so long.

On the Senate vote to close Gitmo, ONLY SIX DEMOCRATIC SENATORS VOTED WITH THE PRESIDENT TO SHUT IT DOWN. On the House vote to close Gitmo, HALF OF THE DEMOCRATS VOTED WITH THE REPUBLICANS TO KEEP IT OPEN.

Jesus Christ on a Cracker, are you really that thick or is this some kind of performance art?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
110. Right--here's my primer for grade school civics...
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:06 AM
May 2014



And once Congress decided specifically block funding for the transfer of Gitmo detainees, the EO to transfer was effectively overridden. Read the Youngstown decision on that.

You are mistaken if you think that the President can defy a law of Congress, on that specifically states that no money can be used for a specific purpose. Because that's what the Congress passed---a specific resolution blocking Gitmo.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
112. You don't need money to stop doing something
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:24 AM
May 2014

you need it to do things...and that is where the excuses comes in...if you ask for money to do something new the congress can say no and you are off the hook.
The military was already spending money on Gitmo...and to close it would be to stop spending that money.
Never the less it makes Obama look weak...Bush never had that problem with congress...he got anything he wanted including creating Gitmo...and he had the slimiest of a mandate.
It may well be that he is powerless to do things, but it is not because of congress...but it may be because the president is only as powerful as the PTB allow him to be.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
114. Okay..is it that you do not understand that not only was the money cut off, but specific legislation
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:46 AM
May 2014

barring Gitmo detainees from being placed on US soil was passed???

Even if the president were to defy Congress and scrape up the money for transfer..... he would be disobeying legislation that specifically prevents these detainees from being placed inside the US.

He cannot override that veto-proof provision of the defense authorizarion with either an EO (Youngstown) nor with a line item (Clinton v. NY.)


zeemike

(18,998 posts)
118. Well I would tell you what someone like Truman would have done.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:35 AM
May 2014

He would called in his generals and told them he wanted to close that prison and ordered them to do it...and they would have...
They may have put them on Air force cargo planes and took them beck to where they got them...no need for new expenditures that need congressional approval because they have planes flying all over to bases all over the world...and no need to bring them back to the US...they are not even US citizens.

But I think the reality is different now...What Bush started cannot be stopped...because it would be insulting him and his family and harm their brand, which must be re habilitated...and Obama has to go along to get along.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
140. What does that have to do with this?
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:28 PM
May 2014

It was about the president seizing control of the steel industry.
Did the SCOUTS rule that Truman could not de segregate the military?...did they re instate MacArthur when he was fired?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
104. He did order it closed via EO ...
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:02 AM
May 2014

In fact, it was his second (I think) act in office.

But the House refused to fund the closure ... including the building of the "new gitmo" AND the transfer of the detainees state-side.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
28. The fact that you're unaware that the President can't unilaterally close Gitmo ...
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:07 PM
May 2014

renders your opinion somewhat less than relevant.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
84. Amen
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:35 PM
May 2014

One of the President's first acts was an Executive Order closing Gitmo, but it required funding, which Congress would not provide.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
32. i invited him to sing a duet with me…
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:10 PM
May 2014

got the garage band studio all hooked up, but so far, crickets….

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
120. Bo and Sunny
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:01 AM
May 2014

didn't show up for the play date we invited them to. We even had special doggie treats and toys for them and my Toby cried for 2 days. He. hates. rejection. I mean, after all I let them name Sunny after me and get this snub in return. Oh the humanity!

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
12. Perhaps you're right.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:06 PM
May 2014

I did have dessert planned, but didn't mention it in my invitation. I would have served freshly picked mulberries from the tree in my backyard, over freshly-baked crumpets, with honey-sweetened cream.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
130. Yeah, but you KNOW he likes pie.
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:44 AM
May 2014

Sorry, but this one's on you MM.


I, on the other hand, have an order of business with him, and being the dedicated worker that he is, I expect to get results. I've formally asked for a meeting to discuss having my Shrimpy officially recognized as the Universal Singularity of Cuteness in the Universe--research proves this.

So, because of this Scientifically True Fact, she should be declared the official global standard of cuteness in the entire global World!

He supports Science, so I totally expect a favorable outcome.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
13. Ha! You just don't know if you don't try/ask.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:10 PM
May 2014

Love that kind of attitude.

I think I am missing what other post/s this is in reference to, but nonetheless:

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
16. That is true. However, as a long-time
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:15 PM
May 2014

active DUer, I expected him to come and enjoy a meal with my wife and me.

As for the reference, there's isn't one. I'm just disappointed, and wanted to make it clear that Obama doesn't have my vote in 2016. I'll just have to vote for someone else...someone who will come to my house for dinner. I'll start sending the invitations right after the November 2014 election, when candidates are beginning to announce.

I expect better from my candidates for office, I do.

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
20. Between you and me, that'll show him, for sure.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:19 PM
May 2014

I just hope I don't get a visit from the NSA guys in suits, if you know what I mean...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. I used to trivialize and minimize the valid concerns of others too.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:45 PM
May 2014

I used to trivialize and minimize the valid concerns of others too; I never tried it as a profession though, as it would advertise too extreme a lack of character.

Now, let's get those tar sands out of the oven and eat some tasty dinner!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
39. So you're back to it, huh?
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:19 PM
May 2014

MineralMan has feelings, and your flippant reply to his disappointment likely cuts him deeply.

FTR, the President and his family have never refused a dinner invitation from me. I, however, am able to swallow my pride and express my solitude with brother Mineral.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
68. If it goes 7-0 you should get to know their username
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:48 PM
May 2014

Then they could be "virtually tarred and feathered". A higher honor on the internet comes infrequently.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
94. I am surprised
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:33 PM
May 2014

I thought it would have gone 7-0 the other way.

Defending the President makes you a right wing troll here.

IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
25. I saw him in Minneapolis
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:51 PM
May 2014

at the Target center with thousands of my nearest and dearest. I even met a pretty cute girl that day. The energy in that venue was amazing. Keith Ellison was high fiving people. The Timberwolves could not get that big an audience.

Just like with children and pets, if a politician disappoints you even once, you have to put him down. Punishment should be permanent, and some people just live to punish someone for something, always.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
27. Like Cornel West, I am disappointed that I didn't get front row seats to his inaugural
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:06 PM
May 2014

He should be ashamed of himself. How dare he call himself "president" of anything! The nerve!

:kick:

mopinko

(70,283 posts)
29. i am very disappointed that, although he himself did autograph it,
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:07 PM
May 2014

he has refused to get michelle to autograph my copy of her book "american grown".
even my congresswoman, his good buddy, jan schakowsky cant get him off the dime on this.

just wait till that sucker gets back here to chicago. i'll fix him. i'll raise money for his library. then he will really owe me.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
30. Hey
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:08 PM
May 2014

If you are going to attempt the Manny Goldstein school of satire, be careful, as one can look very silly.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
85. Yeah, for a brief time, Third-Way Manny became Mirror-Manny.
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:40 PM
May 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024747008#post129
Be careful that doesn't happen to you!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
31. I've posted with Third-Way Manny...
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:09 PM
May 2014

I know Third-Way Manny. Third-Way Manny is a friend of mine. MineralMan, you're no Third-Way Manny.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
33. And he didn't get me a pony either!
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:10 PM
May 2014

Granted, I'm British but think of teh international good will he could have created!

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
36. When he was elected POTUS, did you include or excluse his entourage-
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:14 PM
May 2014

Secret Service?
Would that make a difference?
Would tasters have to come first?

Sounds too complicated for me.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
38. I know! Obama didn't sign my basketball!
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:18 PM
May 2014

Or end two-thirds of the temporary Bush tax cuts, now made permanent! Well, he did end them for most ot the non-wealthy, so that's something.

Regards,

Flattered Manny

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
40. That's the way to get people to come around.
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:22 PM
May 2014

Trivialize people's real issues and valid concerns simply because they don't buy into your cult of personality approach to politics. Good one. That should work well.

Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
42. Believe me, you don't want him at your dinner table.
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:37 PM
May 2014

The best kept White House secret is his horrible flatulence. Michelle doesn't want to admit it's the "healthy" diet she has him on, but allegedly it's too heavy on the legumes.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,764 posts)
43. I keep waiting for him to stop by on his way to O'Hare sometime...
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:37 PM
May 2014

I'm pretty much on the way, after all! But NOOOOOOOOOOO, he always has to fly over or take that other, more direct route to the airport.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
44. Is he that guy who goes everywhere Michelle goes?
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:40 PM
May 2014

I thought about inviting Michelle over for dinner but then I realized I'd have to vacuum up a bit

treestar

(82,383 posts)
46. lol
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:44 PM
May 2014

I'm disappointed he did not hire me to run the SEC. I would go after the corporations like you won't believe!

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
49. You know, Obama likes Pie…
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:06 PM
May 2014

I like Pie.

I offered to share pie with him.

He has ignored me, and I live in the DC region. He's here all the damn time.

I feel so betrayed. I make a really good vanilla cream pie. I am disappointed.

sheshe2

(83,989 posts)
56. I am flat our disappointed that he flat out refuses to run again in 2016.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:25 PM
May 2014

so you are right, I absolutely refuse to vote for him again! Wait What??!?

You should have offered him pie MM~








Thanks MM

aikoaiko

(34,185 posts)
58. I'm disappointed because he gave me a painted pony and I wanted a black one with white socks.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:26 PM
May 2014

But I kept her anyway.

[IMG][/IMG]

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
132. I did't get a pony, either...but I got a horse a little later on. Maybe there's a lesson of
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:55 AM
May 2014

sorts there.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
61. You should have invited Joe instead.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:28 PM
May 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
72. I'm planning on voting
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:58 PM
May 2014

for Ronald Reagan in 2016 instead of Obama, just because O never gave me any free stuff like people said he would. O has disappointed me for the last time--I want my free Lambo' and my free swimming pool NOW!

 

think

(11,641 posts)
82. In ways I'm disappointed and in other ways
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:32 PM
May 2014

I'm amazed.

The man is talented at walking a very fine line.....

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
102. Maybe he declined
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:55 PM
May 2014

because you sent the invites from your FR account and he was confused why you'd want him over.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
106. I just wanted a little time with him Jay, Bey, Michelle, and Joe.
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:07 AM
May 2014

Did i ever get a call back?!? No.
I'm never going to get over it. Ever!!!!

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
107. I thought he'd teach my dog to do tricks.
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:09 AM
May 2014

I thought Obama would make me taller.

I thought Obama would help me pick out a prom dress.

See: http://ithoughtobamawouldgetmelaid.com/

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
124. URinvited:Dinner in Minneapolis/June 26/$32,400 per couple/$20,000 4 photo op with Obama
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:18 AM
May 2014

His exalted company is not for the likes of just plain folks like you. Is it his fault you are not such a fatcat donor that he appointed you as ambassador to Morocco for 4 years, and will now graciously allow you to host him for a major fundraiser? Just get out that checkbook, babe, and bob's your uncle, you'll get an invite!

http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/257537931.html

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will headline a Democratic fundraiser in June at a private Minneapolis home, Democratic officials confirmed Thursday.

Obama will attend a party at the home of Sylvia and Samuel Kaplan on June 26 to raise cash for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Minnesota's Congressional Democrats will be there, along with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and DCCC Chairman Steve Israel, sources said.

The Kaplans are big Democratic donors involved in state and federal politics. Sam Kaplan is a lawyer and served as ambassador to Morocco from 2009 to 2013 under Obama's first term.

The fundraiser asks for $32,400 per couple for a VIP reception, dinner and a photo opp or $20,000 per couple -- or $10,000 per person -- for just dinner and a photo opp, according to an invite obtained by the Star Tribune.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
127. I have invited him to every one of my birthday parties since he was elected.
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:27 AM
May 2014

You think he would at least come to "one"!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
135. I share your disappointment. He clearly is not interested in doing anything about
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:11 PM
May 2014

the widening gap of inequality that he spoke about. Well, except for promoting international trade agreements that will worsen the problem of wealth inequality.

If we dont have a significant tax on inheritance, our children will live in an aristocracy.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
136. I'm disappointed in him too...
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:14 PM
May 2014

He was just across town the other day, and though I didn't invite him - he didn't drop by.



I ain't voting for him again.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
138. Partisans and their obsession with personality;
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:31 PM
May 2014

blinded to the history of US policies and the damage they do in the world regardless of which 'party' dominates the political landscape.

Oh well, maybe one day they will wake up and pull their heads from that dark place that prevents them from seeing things more clearly.

But I doubt it.

onethatcares

(16,204 posts)
142. I know how you feel.
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:43 PM
May 2014

My wife invited Neil Young to my 50th birthday party and he didn't show up. Must be his being Canadian or sumpin.

onethatcares

(16,204 posts)
145. nah, something about him
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:35 PM
May 2014

havi some kind of surgery or the like. sheeeesh. a guy just can't get a break anywhere.

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