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...from the maybe-someone-at-the-office-checked-the-wrong-box? deptThe US Patent and Trademark Office is frequently maligned for its baffling/terrible decisions... and rightfully so. Because this is exactly the sort of thing for which the USPTO should be maligned. Udi Tirosh at DIY Photography has uncovered a recently granted patent for the previously-unheard of process of photographing things/people against a white backdrop... to of all companies, Amazon.
I am not really sure how to tag this other than a big #fail for the USPTO, or a huge Kudos for Amazon's IP attorneys. In a patent simply called Studio arrangement Amazon took IP ownership on what we all call shooting against a seamless white backdrop.
Here's a photo of Amazon's bold new photography concept (US Patent 8,676,045), which pretty much looks like every photo studio in the history of photo studios.
There's plenty of technical text to separate Amazon's white-backdropped photo studio from the thousands in existence prior to 2011 (the date of filing), which shows just how innovative Amazon's concept is:
a background comprising a white cyclorama; a front light source positioned in a longitudinal axis intersecting the background, the longitudinal axis further being substantially perpendicular to a surface of the white cyclorama; an image capture position located between the background and the front light source in the longitudinal axis, the image capture position comprising at least one image capture device equipped with an eighty-five millimeter lens, the at least one image capture device further configured with an ISO setting of about three hundred twenty and an f-stop value of about 5.6...
Amazon does more explaining later on, differentiating its proprietary white-background photo thing from others exactly like it by pointing out that prior art often refers to image retouching, green screens or other forms of image manipulation. Amazon's technique is apparently the purest of the pure, being only the photographer, the photographed object/person, the white background, a number of front lights/back lights and some sort of object separating the subject from the ground below it.
How does this breakthrough work in practice? Glad you asked.
1. Turn back lights on.
2. Turn front lights on.
3. Position thing on platform.
4. Take picture.
Now, we'll note that in all fairness (HAHAHAHA), Amazon filed this application back in the early days of photography, circa 2011. Nearly three years later, that foresight has paid off, and Amazon can now corner the market on taking pictures in front of a white background.
More at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140507/04102327144/us-patent-office-grants-photography-against-white-background-patent-to-amazon.shtml
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)With a background in industrial design, I have an interest in the whole history and purpose of patents and even have patented inventions, thought they are held by a former employer.
In any event, the patent system had a simple dual and reciprocal mission: We'll grant you protection if you fully divulge your idea so that others might build upon it.
That's pretty simple. Other agencies have similar missions, the FDA and USDA, to protect the citizens while also promoting the industries they oversee.
Well, guess what? Just like the FDA and USDA, the little guy or gal is getting the shaft from yet another agency, the USPTO.
I would just as soon lose all protections for intellectual property.
Reading Larry Lessig's book, Free Culture, changed me.
It's free to download, not surprisingly!
http://www.free-culture.cc/
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Creative Commons...PDF..etc.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)The article didn't explain in a way I could understand how this could possibly be patented. Maybe it's some tech thing that they are talking about?
People have been photographing on a white background forever. So...it makes no sense. But, then that is what the article is maybe pointing out. "It makes no sense."
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Don't see anything remotely unique to pointing lights at something in front of a white background.
Weird.
librechik
(30,674 posts)PM me ambulance chasers
Nay
(12,051 posts)photos of clients now must pay Amazon??? What about every photo how-to book that shows budding photographers how to do high-key portraits and high-key product shots?
So, so insane....
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)According to the patent, the positions of the lights 115, 117, 119, and 121, as well as their combined 10:3 intensity versus light 107 illuminate the platform 101 in such a way that it appears seamlessly white with the background. Thus, the object 104 appears to be floating in space without having to edit the image.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Tech Folks/Photographers....Anyone here on DU use this process and now you will have to pay Amazon because of this ruling?
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)I'm not worried about it, though; it is so narrow in scope it'll be easy to get around without infringing. Shooting with flash or HMI lighting is enough to invalidate the patent all by itself because the patent calls for 3200k tungsten lamps - and in specific, and massive, sizes.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)love the stick figure person, though.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I wonder how many of the people complaining have read the actual Amazon patent. I just did, and I'm impressed. They're not simply trying to patent the general idea of shooting against a blown-out white background: the patent describes a very detailed arrangement of elements that include a cyclorama, a raised platform covered with a specific type of material, an on-axis main light at a specific angle and position, four different background lights at specific angles and locations, two light shields, and a capture device at a specified angle, position, and focal length. They even specify typical wattage ratings for the various lights.
Most of the blow-away techniques that people use, including the ones I use, require some after-the-fact cleanup; Amazon's patent claim is that their specific arrangement produces pure white backgrounds (or backgrounds of any desired color) that require no post-production whatsoever. If that's true, it's a really useful improvement and would merit patent protection.
The patent document includes three pages of diagrams keyed to specific features of the arrangement. If somebody has a book from the '50s that includes exactly the same diagrams, I'd like to see a link or a reproduction.
http://www.cnet.com/news/photographers-howl-at-amazon-patent-of-decades-old-idea/[divclass="excerpt"]
KoKo
(84,711 posts)other people see it as a "true innovation." So... I guess it might be.
Thanks for the reply here...because it's good to try to understand where US Patent Office might have been coming from.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I have found when people freak out over something like this it isn't quite what they think it is.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)are going away?
Lamp
White box
Reflector?
Or we will have to pay Amazon a fee every time we use them?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)from a CNET discussion.
But, I do understand what you say. It's hard to understand for those of us who are novice photographers why this required a patent for Amazon. What are they going to use it for and claim rights that no one else can.
But, maybe it is a true technological wonder that only they discovered and so those who want to use it will now have to pay them. Must be big if they fought to get that patent.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Can somebody just patent the "Process" and go after patent trolls.
As for the specifics for Amazon's patent (light placement, platform, background), these is really just setting values on methods that go back a long way. I'm at a loss to find anything original.