Do you all think Hillary will face any sexism if she runs?

[boston bean]

And if she does, should no one speak about it because others may take it to mean, because they don't care for her, that they are sexist?

You see this cudgel works both ways. We've seen it for 6 years with Obama.

I just would like to get this out of the way right now.

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Why not wait until she runs and see what happens...

because there's nothing anyone could do about it now anyway.

[Major Nikon]

8. If Hillary were all that bothered by sexism, I doubt she'd be where she is

So I don't see as how it matters much anyway. Anyone who hurls sexist barbs at Hillary is going to hurt themselves far more than they will her.

[Lee-Lee]

2. No, as soon as she declares her candidacy sexism will vanish from the world

I mean we keep getting told by the right that there can't be any racism to any degree anymore since we have a minority President, so that must be how it works.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. Will she? Are you kidding

What I know about racist White men especially in the South....even more than Black men.....they HATE and fear women.

Watch and see....

[randys1]

4. If she ever gets her brain damage fixed first

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Is Karl Rove the most repugnant piece of shit excuse for a human being in existence?

[Louisiana1976]

5. I imagine she will, from the same people who are opposed to Obama because he's black.

I think it should be spoken about in spite of what others may take it to mean.

[Electric Monk]

6. Anyone opposed to any of her various policy stances will certainly be accused of being sexist.

Bank on it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. +1

[quinnox]

29. From bot-types? Aw, hell yea

Just like the same from the Obama ones, where they would call "racism!" any time someone criticized Obama.

[Whisp]

36. o yes indeed - ANY TIME (!)

LOL.

[whathehell]

60. Bullshit -- I'm a woman & a feminist -- Criticizing her policy stances is not "sexist"

Maybe you think President Obama, however much you agree or

or disagree with his policies is not a target of racism either.

[iandhr]

62. What do you think the

"Can she be President and a Grandmother" was about?

[Electric Monk]

65. I think you totally misunderstood what I wrote. Feel free to try again. nt

[whathehell]

68. Perhaps I did, in which case you can "feel free to try again"

My reading comprehension is excellent -- Perhaps your communication

skills aren't.

[Electric Monk]

71. I think I was clear. Tierra_y_Libertad, quinnox and oneofthe99 understood me just fine. nt

[whathehell]

74. They agreed with you, I did not..

that, I believe, is the supposed "misunderstanding".

[chervilant]

75. As did I.

And, I wait to see all the Hillary Haters herein pile on, like they did before Obama 'won' the primary.

(We're so easily led, we good little Sheeple...)

[oneofthe99]

61. Oh it will happen right here on DU

[joshcryer]

77. The media will scrutinize her policy positions from a sexist POV.

If you repeat or support the media narrative then there is a high likelihood you will be perpetrating sexist rhetoric.

To then dismiss it will be asinine.

[steve2470]

7. tons of it

How she or her campaign addresses it, I can't offer an opinion. It's damned if you do address it and damned if you don't address it. I think, at some point, it will have to be addressed.

[quinnox]

9. Oh, FFS

what do you think?

Yes, she would, and no, it would not be a forbidden topic to post about.

[FSogol]

10. Of course not! We'll then be in post-sexist America, just like how racism ended when

Obama was elected!

[Enrique]

11. we know what she will face

she has run for president before.

And other females have run for president, Michele Bachmann for example.

[MoonRiver]

12. Rove is already indirectly inserting it into the discussion:

that fragile little old woman, who had a bad fall and cracked her head, just may not be up to all those serious (manly) Commander in Chief duties.

Or am I misinterpreting Dr. Rove's motives?

[lostincalifornia]

13. Is the pope Catholic, does a bear Shit in the woods?

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[oneofthe99]

15. No' but she will face being a shill for Corporations, Big Banks and Wall street

If you don't mind that she sides with them against the working class then she would make a terrific president.

[whathehell]

58. Yes -- She'll face fair AND unfair criticism -- One thing does not

cancel out the other.

[Dawgs]

16. It will be Warren, not Hillary. n/t

[Scootaloo]

17. Absolutely she will

And you'll get two camps. One that asserts it's all sexism, as occurred with the PUMAS back in '08, and then the people who will conversely claim there is NO sexism.

America can be a very stupid place.

[11 Bravo]

18. WOW! Great question! Deep and well thought out! The answers are YES and NO.

Now, seeing as you have endeavored, in your own words, "to get this out of the way", can we assume that you won't initiate 47,286 more threads asking the same question?

[boston bean]

19. You know what they say about assumptions and assuming? nt

[Electric Monk]

22. Are you trying to say then, that you will initiate 47,286 more threads asking the same question?

[boston bean]

24. I'm saying don't assume anything, cause I don't know.

Do you know if I will. I have no plans if that's what your asking, but that could change.

I don't like to box myself in.

But I think you can rest assured it won't be 47K posts as I've been here almost a decade and just reached 20K.

Does that help to answer your burning question?

[Electric Monk]

26. So you're not ruling it out. Got it, thanks.

[boston bean]

31. Can you predict the future?

I sure can't. But maybe you have some evolved power I don't.

[Electric Monk]

37. Isn't that what your whole OP here is about, trying to predict the future? or did you forget that?nt

[boston bean]

39. No, this subthread was you asking me about the future, did you forget that?

If you think my post was about people reading into the future, then I don't know what more I could say to convince it is not.

A question about the future is predicting the future?

Good to know.. I sure am learning a lot here. Don't know if I'll remember it though.

[Electric Monk]

41. No, actually, you forgot. It wasn't me, it was 11 Bravo. This is getting silly now, so cya round. n

[boston bean]

43. In a sub thread you inserted yourself into

asking the same thing. You asked me about my future actions and if you could depend on me or not to do something in the future..

I agree it's silly. Good to see you think this little sub thread is silly as well.

[11 Bravo]

27. My bad. I took you at your word. So "get this out of the way" was just ...

disingenuous bullshit? I'll know better next time.

[boston bean]

30. Wow, do you know if it's been resolved and is out of the way?

Also, didn't know I should structure my posting habits to your liking.

Very very sorrrryyyyy.

[11 Bravo]

46. Nice! When one's disingenuousness is pointed out, come back with more of the same!

Yeah, as a matter of fucking fact, it HAS been resolved! Hillary will be the target of sexist smears, even non-exist criticisms will be tarred with the sexist brush, and everyone with an IQ above that of the average Golden Retriever is pretty much aware of those facts.
Of course, it that subset excludes you, then I'm the one who's very very sorrrryyyy.

[LanternWaste]

35. Was that cleverness or petulance on your part?

Was that cleverness or petulance on your part? I had a difficult time distinguishing one from the other in your post of deep thoughts...

(a response as irrelevant as yours-- however: insert distinction without a difference here)

[11 Bravo]

54. When Kurtz repeated himself, it was emotive and moving.

You parroting your own post reply? Not so much. (Now, quick, hold your breath and try to decide if this was clever or petulant.)

[Sheepshank]

20. There have been RW'ers that have been pretty vocal....

....with their regrets in granting women the right to vote after Obama won. I imagine that would spill over into a woman coc, unless of course she looked like a stripper and acted like a grifter.

[planetc]

21. Yes, lots of sexism.

Some will be overt, and some will be unconscious or semi-conscious. It's my thought that there are lots of men who aren't basically misogynist, but whose sense of fairness about women isn't very well informed. They have never read Betty Friedan, or Germaine Greer, or Susan Brownmiller, or any of a hundred other books that detail reasonably complete theories of the patriarchy and of the influence that our use of language has on women's lives (and campaigns). Their hearts are in the right place, but the depth of their knowledge of the issue is shallow. They may feel tongue-tied in trying to talk about the varieties of sexist expression and attitudes, and the relationship between the two.

So, to go on to your questions, if we see overtly sexist comments, we should briefly point them out and move on, because misogynists will not be converted by our tut-tutting them, and it would be a waste of energy trying to convert the hard-core.

If we see subtler language or attitudes being purveyed, we should gently point out that these remarks or attitudes might have their origins in unconscious sexism.

And I admire your wanting to resolve these questions early, but I personally think it will take another two hundred years before we bring both men and women and boys and girls, to feeling a sense of shame when they behave like sexists. Nevertheless, we ain't gonna finish unless we start. So let's keep on keeping on.

[LanternWaste]

23. She will be called 'hysterical', 'shrill', 'screeching', and 'irrational' by many people...

She will be called 'hysterical', 'shrill', 'screeching', and 'irrational' by many people who will deny they are sexists..

[Whisp]

42. was she ever called a piece of shit used car salesperson that should fuck off?

?

In case this is alerted, these are not MY words but words of another DUer that posted this and the community let it stand.

[whathehell]

69. No, but she's been called a "cunt" and every other gender slur you can imagine..

Not on this board but on many others...Remember "Citizens United Not Timid"

[sakabatou]

25. Of course she'll face it

[Vattel]

28. Of course she will face sexism and yes it will be okay to speak about it.

[Whisp]

32. Absolutely of course she will and should be spoken out against.

But using her own record and videos and misspeaks to her discredit is not being sexist. I get the feeling some people may think it is.

[boston bean]

33. How about someone being sexist while discussing those issues.

Are people not to mention it then?

[Whisp]

38. I don't know what you mean.

How am I to allow or disallow people to mention whatever they happen to mention in a discussion?

[boston bean]

40. I'm asking if someone is using sexist language while talking about policy differences,

is that something that could be brought up as sexist.

I'm not asking you in particular as in I need an answer from you right now.

I'm just throwing it out there.

[Whisp]

44. Sure but

if some sexist asshat says something stupid it derails the topic of policy differences and all that remains is that argument and the original question/discussion gets drowned.

I've seen it many times. Hillary Opinion on This or That, or Her Record on This or That:
Responses may include imagined or real sexist language, but very unlikely the continued debate of the important topic of This or That will ever show up again.

Which could be a way for strong supporters to avoid topics that are not so complimentary to Hillary

[boston bean]

45. I understand, those same exact arguments are used against Obama supporters.

Except with racism.

[Whisp]

48. The only reply I have is

Obama never had a Tuzla moment, not even close so I feel no need to avoid or defend stuff like that.

I think that is what you are getting at with my reading between the lines decoder I have, but I could be wrong..,

[boston bean]

64. I'm not sure you did understand what I was saying...

but anyhoot, have a good one!

[one_voice]

34. Will she? Yes.

Every disagreement with Obama doesn't equal racism. Every disagreement with Hillary will not be sexist or equal sexism.

Speak out when it is sexism just as we do when it's racism & Obama.

[Thinkingabout]

47. It surely will not be the first time she has faced sexism, this has been a part of her world.

Can she survive it, yes but there will be many more statements like Karl Rove has made this week. There will be statements made about her which would not be made if she was male. She is intelligent and is on the side of the American public even though many does see the forest for the trees here. We need to get past the single issue and go for the whole story.

[WhiteTara]

49. Do you mean over or covert?

She and we face sexism daily. Why shouldn't she? And then add first of so many things and of course.

But why? Trolling for hate?

[Comrade Grumpy]

50. Yes, from the usual troglodytes, and it should and will be called out.

There is an inverse to your question: Will people who oppose her presumptive nomination because they loather her policy positions be attacked as sexists?

[Turbineguy]

51. I expect

Female will be the New Black with all these teabagger bigots.

[Egnever]

52. does Donald Trump's hair shit in the woods?

[RKP5637]

53. IMO yes, it will be the SOS, akin to what Obama faces. n/t

[leftyladyfrommo]

55. I think veiled sexism will be the #1 kind of attack against her.

It's already going on full blast. I remember one rag report that she was going crazy. They had taken a picture of her without her makeup on and somehow that was proof that she was losing her mind.

It's awful and it's going to get worse when the good old boys really get going.

[Half-Century Man]

57. Perhaps not so veiled

The personalities likely to still think in sexism ways seem to lack subtly.

[Half-Century Man]

56. Why would an election year be any different from all her other years?

Sexism exists, and has for a very long time. Sexism will remain being stupid, counter productive, and damaging to the overall well being of humanity. There are more tools/approaches to fighting it, but it still (after all this time and enlightenment) has to be fought.

Well, needed a hobby anyway.

[iandhr]

59. Yes

[Initech]

63. Of course, the Fox News Crusty Old White Man Brigade (tm) won't shut up about it.

[demosincebirth]

66. She'll face eveything but the Kitche sink

[etherealtruth]

67. Of course not ... we live in a post sexist (and post racist) society

[maddezmom]

70. Sure she will, if she runs but not every disagreement

will be sexist.

[Lunacee_2013]

72. Of course she will.

She's already faced it before, just like Obama's faced racism (remember the voodoo witch doctor signs and pics of hanging raccoons from 2008). That doesn't mean every single complaint about her will be sexist, just like how many complaints about President Obama aren't racist, but I am expecting a lot of b.s. to come her way.

And yes, if she runs, that b.s. will make even more women vote for her. Even the not so democratic ones, based on some conversations I've had with older female family members. I like to think of it this way: instead of getting upset whenever Bill or Rush say something stupid, just remember that their stupidity is turning more votes her way.

[alp227]

73. As Cenk Uygur says, OF COUUUUUUUUUURSE

And so the fuck what about "no one speak about it..." because Fox News and talk radio will make up every single straw liberal bullshit to keep their brainless viewers entertained.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

76. How many ways to say yes?

Sad to say I think the answer is in the affirmative but I think you know that already. How much subtle racism does Obama face?

This is the GOP we're dealing with.

[Squinch]

78. Heh heh. Ya think?