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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:44 AM May 2014

"We Kill People Based on Metadata."

"We Kill People Based on Metadata."
By David Cole
The New York Review of Books

Supporters of the National Security Agency inevitably defend its sweeping collection of phone and Internet records on the ground that it is only collecting so-called “metadata”—who you call, when you call, how long you talk. Since this does not include the actual content of the communications, the threat to privacy is said to be negligible. That argument is profoundly misleading.

Of course knowing the content of a call can be crucial to establishing a particular threat. But metadata alone can provide an extremely detailed picture of a person’s most intimate associations and interests, and it’s actually much easier as a technological matter to search huge amounts of metadata than to listen to millions of phone calls. As NSA General Counsel Stewart Baker has said, “metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody’s life. If you have enough metadata, you don’t really need content.” When I quoted Baker at a recent debate at Johns Hopkins University, my opponent, General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment “absolutely correct,” and raised him one, asserting, “We kill people based on metadata.”

It is precisely this power to collect our metadata that has prompted one of Congress’s most bipartisan initiatives in recent years. On May 7, the House Judiciary Committee voted 32-0 to adopt an amended form of the USA Freedom Act, a bill to rein in NSA spying on Americans, initially proposed by Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy and Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner. On May 8, the House Intelligence Committee, which has until now opposed any real reform of the NSA, also unanimously approved the same bill. And the Obama administration has welcomed the development.

For some, no doubt, the very fact that this bill has attracted such broad bipartisan approval will be grounds for suspicion. After all, this is the same Congress that repeatedly reauthorized the 2001 USA Patriot Act, a law that was also proposed by Sensenbrenner and on which the bulk collection of metadata was said to rest—even if many members of Congress were not aware of how the NSA was using (or abusing) it. And this is the same administration that retained the NSA’s data collection program, inherited from its predecessor, as long as it was a secret, and only called for reform when the American people learned from the disclosures of NSA contractor Edward Snowden that the government was routinely collecting phone and Internet records on all of us. So, one might well ask, if Congress and the White House, Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, all now agree on reform, how meaningful can the reform be?

The rest: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/may/10/we-kill-people-based-metadata/
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"We Kill People Based on Metadata." (Original Post) WilliamPitt May 2014 OP
"Metadata" is bullshit 951-Riverside May 2014 #1
I agree. djean111 May 2014 #2
according to that excellent Frontline documentary m-lekktor May 2014 #3
Good article... truebrit71 May 2014 #4
Metadeath -- the new NSA doom band Blue Owl May 2014 #5
Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #6
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
1. "Metadata" is bullshit
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:49 AM
May 2014

I think we'll find out in a few years that they've been recording and archiving most phone calls and video chats.

Remember kids, its not illegal if no one listens to it in real time and no one said anything about archiving everything then obtaining a secret FISA request and going through those communications later.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. I agree.
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:03 AM
May 2014

Also, there is software available commercially to search recorded conversations for key words, so that ridiculous "oh, they do not have the time or staff to listen to all those phone calls meme" is either uninformed or deliberately disingenuous.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
3. according to that excellent Frontline documentary
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:09 AM
May 2014

" United States of Secrets Part !" under Bush they were bypassing the FISA requests and FISA was finding out and getting pissed. excellent documentry available for viewing on PBS website btw!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
4. Good article...
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:10 AM
May 2014

It's a start...but it doesn't solve the problem...or rein in the NSA in any real sense...

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