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rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:03 PM May 2014

Unless they clean up the VA system from the bottom

Nothing will change.
As a federal contract worker I have seen how bad it can get.
Too many front line health care workers start their day off with "I can't, I won't, I'm not gonna" when it comes to patient care. The last thing on their mind is doing right by the vets. And sadly, many of these workers are vets themselves. One of whom has been known to pull out his health insurance card and brag about HE would go elsewhere instead of having to use a VA hospital. But he is also the same person who if he senses he is about to get in any sort of trouble for his behavior at work, he holds up his "Army Vet" tag that the VA gives vet workers to attach to their name badge (different branch tags depending on what part they served in). His way of saying the system won't act on his behavior because he is a vet. He is "protected" by the very system he is helping to destroy.

Best way to clean up the place? Send in "undercover bosses" who are really from DC and see what goes on behind the scenes with front line workers. See them coming in late, leaving early, ignoring patients, surfing the Internet their whole shift. And good luck trying to get these lazy asses to work or heaven forbid you report the to the immediate supervisor. Once that gets back to the worker who was reported, the person trying to fix the system is then targeted with bullying, retaliated against, etc
Morale is so bad amongst people trying to do the right thing because you just know that if you try to point out the lazy ass ones who treat the vets badly the backlash will be on a daily basis and you then have an even more hostile workplace to put up with.


OIG in on station now at our hospital. Will that fix anything? Probably not.

We are talking about a hospital that sends vets who have cardiac caths or stents placed to a medicine floor that has no telemetry beds. Wouldn't see that happen at a private hospital.
We just end up hoping that if something goes wrong post op the vet shows us some symptoms instead of coding or dying.

Staffing is horrible. Sometimes 3 nurses for 18 or more patients with no techs on the floor to help.
So excuse us when those of us who work frontline at VA hospitals don't show much faith in the VA policing itself...we see what happens on a daily basis and this is not going to get fixed til some frontline workers are shown the door.
Keep in mind the first words out of the bad workers are "I'm going to the union!!" One woman even said to a group of other workers "I have to be part of the union and pay the monthly dues cuz I act a fool up here sometimes".
I think the only time I heard of someone actually being fired from there is when a sitter left a vet's bedside, the patient fell, died from the injury and the family pursued it. The sitter was fired. We use sitters (it's call being placed on close observation) when the vet is in danger of getting up and falling or if their altered mental status puts them in danger of hurting themselves. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for these sitters to leave the room, fall asleep IN the room, or be absorbed into surfing the Internet on a portable computer instead of watching the vet.

Sorry to vent for so long....just tired of hearing how the suits in DC think they will fix the VA system.

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Unless they clean up the VA system from the bottom (Original Post) rainbow4321 May 2014 OP
If the country is going to send us off to get blown up Submariner May 2014 #1
I strongly prefer the local VA hospital JonLP24 May 2014 #8
Amen, brother! pinboy3niner May 2014 #11
kick Renew Deal May 2014 #2
That's the dirty little secret, that the employees are nearly all vets and it's vet on vet ugliness UTUSN May 2014 #3
Kicking UTUSN May 2014 #4
Better look out, "fixing" it will mean privatization. 1000words May 2014 #5
the 800 lb elephant in the room... sendero May 2014 #6
Money is always the issue marshall May 2014 #7
Yes! The problem goes straight back to Congress! hedgehog May 2014 #10
GOP is already using this issue to make the case against single payer IronLionZion May 2014 #9
Chicken shit policy administrators each VA sorefeet May 2014 #12

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
1. If the country is going to send us off to get blown up
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:59 PM
May 2014

then when the injured return they should be able to just work through a local hospital and send the VA a bill.

If planned properly, Bush and Cheney would have expanded the VA Hospital availability anticipating filling them with injured troops from Iraq/Afghanistan. Instead we started off with a little VA health care system not prepped to handle a war time capacity crowd.

Waiting for a VA hospital to get it done is just killing these people. Send them to the local hospital/rehab center and send the DoD the bill. It's the price Americans will have to pay for letting a supreme court appointee inhabit the White House.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. I strongly prefer the local VA hospital
Wed May 21, 2014, 06:03 AM
May 2014

to local hospitals (especially the Banner system). Scottsdale Health Care hospitals aren't bad though.

But that's just me.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
11. Amen, brother!
Wed May 21, 2014, 03:42 PM
May 2014

It's not just you. Vets overwhelmingly reject the notion of privatizing veterans' health care. VA health care is consistently rated as good as or better than civilian health care in the U.S.

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
3. That's the dirty little secret, that the employees are nearly all vets and it's vet on vet ugliness
Tue May 20, 2014, 05:03 PM
May 2014

Last edited Tue May 20, 2014, 10:03 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a lot of war-story syndrome among the employees going on, a lot of decisions made above-their-paygrade, a lot of John WAYNEism.

They call you in late, tell you they weren't told you were on their list, regale you with how overworked they are and how everything gets assigned to them, interview you with a gotcha slant to use your answers against you, not to mention the rudeness and slapping down of any disagreement. Suck it up, that's the ticket.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
5. Better look out, "fixing" it will mean privatization.
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:07 PM
May 2014

Don't put it past 'em ... even if there is a "D" next to their name.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
6. the 800 lb elephant in the room...
Wed May 21, 2014, 05:43 AM
May 2014

.... is palpable. All these outraged congressmen etc. won't acknowledge the simple fact that everyone with 2 brain cells gets. The VA is underfunded. Period. All problems stem from that.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
7. Money is always the issue
Wed May 21, 2014, 05:59 AM
May 2014

There is no problem that can't be solved with more money, pure and simple.

IronLionZion

(45,438 posts)
9. GOP is already using this issue to make the case against single payer
Wed May 21, 2014, 03:33 PM
May 2014

and government workers in general. Even though they are the ones who want to cut more funding.

I hope the Obama administration does something about it soon. It sounds pretty bad.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
12. Chicken shit policy administrators each VA
Wed May 21, 2014, 03:55 PM
May 2014

has it's own administrator and they make policy based on their fears, prejudices, ignorance or knowledge. There is no standard policy. Example: States that have legal medical marijuana are allowed to prescribe opiates at the VA. You can use opiates and if marijuana is on your drug test(mandatory) you are OK. States without legal medical marijuana will kick you out of the pain program the first time you fail the test with illegal substance. So all of those soldiers whom marijuana works as an adjunct with the opiates are just fucked. Tell me what is fair about that.

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