Anti-woman website predicts more Elliott Rogers if society doesn’t provide them with sex

[babylonsister]

Speechless.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/25/anti-woman-website-predicts-more-elliott-rogers-if-society-doesnt-provide-them-with-sex/


Anti-woman website predicts more Elliott Rogers if society doesn’t provide them with sex
By Tom Boggioni
Sunday, May 25, 2014 22:42 EDT


A website popular with the online Pick-up Artist community responded to Elliott Rodger’s murderous Santa Barbara rampage, saying it could have been avoided if Rodger had ‘game,’ like they profess to possess, before concluding that “more people will die” unless society provides men with more “sexual options.”

The Return of Kings article, written by ‘Roosh,’ goes to elaborate lengths to explain that the PUA-hate community that Rodger was a part of held him back from learning the “masculine” art of seduction – which they call “game” – and, combined with the “American media, the blogosphere, men’s rights activists, and progressive organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center,” Rodger was encouraged to hate and ultimately murder women.

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Roosh goes on to say, “We live in a society where being shy, normal, or a little awkward is duly punished by entitled American women who have been encouraged to pursue exciting and fun casual sex in their prime with sexy and hot men as a way of ‘experimentation.’”

He then explains that when women have “passed their physical prime” they then select a “nice guy” with whom to settle down, with the understanding that he is “expected to keep his mouth shut when a trickle flow of informational torture reveals that his bride-to-be has experienced more than a dozen different penises in her vagina, anus, and mouth—the same mouth that is supposed to kiss his future children good night.”

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Admitting that he was once “no different than Rodger,” Roosh continued, “Seven people are dead because society has decided that shy and awkward men like Elliot Rodger do not deserve a girlfriend and that there is absolutely no way to improve his loneliness and loserdom through learning game or any other social behavior. At the same time men like him are ostracized, there is no legal means for him to solicit prostitution (in California) to release his biological and very pressing urge for fornication.”

Roosh recommends that society change its ways, warning: “More people will die unless you give men sexual options.”

“Until you give men like Rodger a way to have sex, either by encouraging him to learn game, seek out a Thai wife, or engage in legalized prostitution—three things that the American media and cultural elite venomously attack, it’s inevitable for another massacre to occur. Even game itself, as useful as it is on a individual level, is a band-aid fix upon a culture which has stopped rewarding nice guys while encouraging female whoring to benefit only the top 10% of alpha males, all in the name of societal progress.”

[Mz Pip]

1. Oh FFS.

What a lame excuse. Society is not responsible for guys getting laid.

[Warpy]

181. Someone needs to tell those little boys to start saving up

for a Real Doll. She will never talk back, her hips won't widen from childbirth, and she's always ready unless they haven't cleaned her out with a bottle brush for a long time.

It's sad their dads didn't bother to tell them that nobody owes them a damned thing, especially women. It's going to be a tough lesson to learn.

[2naSalit]

202. Sadly

I know a few deranged women who teach their boys to be like that.

[Warpy]

207. Ah, yes, I do know the type

She's absolutely deadly to any female who gets anywhere close to Sonny Boy, too.

[2naSalit]

208. That is also true! n/t

[hlthe2b]

2. And there you have it... for those who claim there is no problem with misogyny, with an arising

"cult" of some men who feel entitled to women as their "chattel" and sex object. Encouraging men to blame all their problems on WOMEN and deny an increasing problem with violence towards women.

I hope this is a wake-up call to rational men who might be feeling personally aggrieved in some way by the trials in their lives.

[SharonAnn]

80. And his fixation as the "Eldest Son" and his rights to his father's house and assets

and the complete disdain of his father's wife and their son.

It's all about "his rights". Over and over and over again.

[seaglass]

3. Shit, I swear in the last day I read almost these same exact words here.

"He then explains that when women have “passed their physical prime” they then select a “nice guy” with whom to settle down..."

[sufrommich]

4. I saw this posted almost word for word at Discussionist.

That forum went from zero to creepy in it's first 48 hours.

[seaglass]

8. I think it was in both places but I'll have to check. The swinging door between the two make it

hard to keep track. I'm also not sure it matters that much. Think it here, say it there.

[seabeyond]

37. exactly. has there been ONE move in the last couple years that actually supported women or

was to the benefit of women, here on du?

think here, say it there.

[seabeyond]

35. 48 hrs. exactly. and i have not been back since. nt

[seabeyond]

33. yes. i am thinking of an OP that got particular support from other men. i was

thinking the same

[nomorenomore08]

168. Generalizing based on the actions of a few assholes...

Isn't that the very thing they always accuse feminists of?

[Laelth]

5. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[boston bean]

6. They are sick cluckers, huh! ?

And you can read a toned down version of that shit right here on DU. People need to open their eyes.

[shenmue]

7. Just evil

I can't understand this level of hate.

[Brickbat]

9. "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."

-- Margaret Atwood


DISCLAIMER: Not all men. Not all women. Not all places. Not all relationships. But when a woman first meets a man -- at the bar, at the grocery store, in a support group, at a baseball game, on the dance floor, at work -- it's good to be on your guard.

[dballance]

10. That is disturbing.

I grew up in the South in the late '60s and early '70s. We were taught to respect others - especially women. Yes, there was a gender bias in what we were taught. At least we weren't taught that women "owe" us men something though. We were taught that we had to be respectful and nice to get affection from women. I think that's not a bad lesson even today. It applies regardless of gender. We need to be nice and respectful of the woman or man we're dating and not have pre-concieved expectations for what will or will not happen.

I picture this Roosh person as a boy, with acne, blogging in the dark from his mother's basement. His whole diatribe is very disconcerting. He sounds like he needs some mental health care.

[redqueen]

75. He's not what you picture. Check out this article about one of his books.

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/cockblocked-by-redistribution

[dballance]

133. Thanks. You're right he's not what I picture - he's much, much worse.

Sounds like he is a despicable adult making fame and fortune off of objectifying women and is obviously a right wingnut type when he refers to the "nanny state" as the reason he couldn't get laid in Denmark.

I'm not sure how to pronounce "Roosh" but it should rhyme with "douche."

[redqueen]

196. It is important that these types not be given the benefit of flying under the radar any longer.

That's been how most people have chosen to react to this stuff so far. Obviously it is not helping. Shaming these people and ensuring they are widely known and that their views are loudly declared socially unacceptable, as well as spreading awareness and educating people as to exactly why they're fucked up as all hell (because sadly this seems to be necessary), will help prevent more young men from buying into that crap and becoming misogynist bigots themselves.

Ignoring misogyny is not an option.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

166. wow, great article

Thanks rescuers. That is a good read!

[redqueen]

197. It is revealing about what makes these PUA types tick.

It's like a sickness.

I'm so sick of hearing about how it helped 'shy guys'.

Instead of 'helping men talk to women' we should be educating men so that they see how fucked up objectification is. It is this idea of women as unattainable things that causes this dysfunction. If they viewed women as human beings like themselves they wouldn't need 'game' to attempt to communicate with them.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

199. last night I saw the whole dynamic referred to as a negative feedback loop.

That really made sense to me. Plus, I could relate personally. I've been stuck in my own loop lately......
So that got me to thinking, if life reflects ourselves back at us, (yes, I'm applying Buddhist philosophy here) then I'm the only one that can break my own feedback loop.

Not to ignore the larger problem, certainly not. I'm just drained lately, so that's where my head is.

...but if I'm mostly just beating my head against a wall, expostulating here and getting gratuitously angry, I'm feeding the negative feedback loop. ........if I could use the lesson for myself, then I'm in a better position to demonstrate the idea. And if anyone else realizes their own negative feedback loop, they may just look for encouragement.....

I dunno...I'm just thinking out loud, and been really mired in my own stuff lately. So that's where my mind is-------

Anyway, I'm not a person who has direct influence in lawmaking or think tanks. ....so, if I suddenly see my own loop, the best thing I can do is work on doing an intervention with myself! More Buddhist philosophy: Practice for your own sake and the sake of others. You see the environment change when you change. When enough people wake up to something, it hits the tipping point.


The conversation is FINALLY getting the fuck outside of the walls of the Women's Studies department!!!!!! Thank you, Innertoobz. Gotta keep it going.

[seabeyond]

201. i got it. i am with you. nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

215. .....

[TexasTowelie]

11. Wow, what a crock of shit.

So Roosh believes America is supposed to provide sexual welfare for men? My recommendation is that the law trace down Roosh and sterilize him since we don't need any of his dumbfuck sperms in the gene pool.

Pardon the profanity--it's the only proper way to express the outrage reading this thread.

[nomorenomore08]

169. Sometimes I think the world would be a better place if a lot more free vasectomies were given out.

[uppityperson]

12. Madonna vs whore and don't they have hands? And no one "deserves" a girlfriend.

Entitlement, narcissism, delusions

[SaltyBro]

13. A lot of angry white men out there

It's becoming an epidemic.

[bemildred]

14. Oh yeah, that will work. nt

[Lee-Lee]

15. Attitudes like this

Are why every woman needs to have at least a basic level of self defense training.

I wish I was a good hacker, the real names of these creeps needs to be found and posted all over their area so everyone around them knows what creeps are hiding behind those smiling faces, and to warn all women they come across.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. LOL -- I'd love to put that moron in a locked room with WitchWind

PIV is always rape, ok?

Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple.

This is a developed recap from what I’ve been saying in various comments here and there in the last two years or so. as a radfem I’ve always said PIV is rape and I remember being disappointed to discover that so few radical feminists stated it clearly. How can you possibly see it otherwise? Intercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their penis into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolising the female orifice) whether she thinks she wants it or not – which is the definition of rape: that he will to do it anyway and that he uses her and treats her as a receptacle, in all circumstances – it makes no difference to him experiencing it as sexual. That is, at the very least, men use women as useful objects and instruments for penetration, and women are dehumanised by this act. It is an act of violence.

http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

We could sell tickets.

[IronLionZion]

26. What's PIV?

[AtheistCrusader]

29. Penis in Vagina

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Both suffer from the same delusion.

They don't understand that women are capable of determining when and how and with whom they go about having sex. That they cannot possibly own their own sexual identity.


Vile.

"whether she thinks she wants it or not"

WitchWind doesn't recognize or accept that a woman is, in fact, capable of and free to choose when to have sex.

The MRA in the op's post has the same inability/blind spot to understand pretty much half of the planet's population.

Ignorance on overdrive

[seabeyond]

38. ha ha ha. cause really, both are threatening more mass murder?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

39. No, because they're both batshit insane.

We have threads here on DU threatening mass-murder cloaked as economic equality. People bloviate. But these loons are in a class of their own.

[seabeyond]

44. cant even dance away from the difference. comments like this OP is thru out the net.

piv argument is NOT thru out the nets.

support for this shit in the OP is big and growing. again, not the same the other way around.

death.... violence toward women in one. not toward the other.

WHY.... do you feel the need to diminish the issue with the Op, with this bullshit obscure PIV thing?

and the why was rhetorical, cause it is clear.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

70. "support for this shit in the OP is big and growing."

That has a phallic tone to it. ( test)

Look, the guy who wrote that stuff is a moron who is being read by other morons. But the reading morons are looking for other morons to read. They're out there already. They're emotionally bankrupt shells with sociopathic tendencies. The internet just provides an easier forum for them to congregate so as to reinforce their warped ideations in common company. In fact, that is pretty much the definition of "the internet."

Since we can't tear down or censor the internet (because where else would we go to share our own warped ideations in common company?) we'll simply have to move on to Plan B: Not Giving A Rat's Patootie. As a young woman I bought into a lot of stupid ideas. As a barely older than a young woman I am working hard to be the kind of woman that demonstrates to the next generation (read: my SIL) how to be strong, self-assured, determined, smart, confident and nobody's fool. I am trying to show her that once she becomes the best person she has the potential to become then she will find her soulmate and together they will build a life and many other lives from that.

What's more amazing is that -- I'm told by a highly reliable source (well, I think he's pretty "reliable" ifyouknowwhatImeanandIthinkyoudo) -- that the confident, competent, capable female stereotype is attractive. It seems to bring with it a certain respectability. It's almost as if personal honor and strength is contagious in others. Predators certainly don't look for the strongest in the herd.

I absolutely refuse to teach my SIL to live in fear of a bunch of knuckleheads on the internet -- she'd never leave the house and that would just keep her on the internet where all the knuckleheads are. Plan C is a .38.

No one (on Earth) can make me bow. No one can make me fear. No one can define me except me.

THAT is how we beat those idiots.

[seabeyond]

77. awareness, education, knowledge has nothing to do with bowing, fear or anything else.

as a " confident, competent, capable female" one can take on the realities we live in and address them head on, without cowering in fear, ya think?

to sit here and pretend it does not matter, or is not important, or will not effect our lives, your young SIL life, is to be foolish. in my opinion. and leaving the young girl, 12? defenseless. let one be aware ahead of time, before confronting an issue, being well armed and prepared.... any day of the week.

and dealing with a whole lots a teenage boys and a little older, i see how this effects them and their life. their choices. they matter. and that matters.

watching my young nieces and seeing the effects... ya. matters.

knowledge should never result in cowering fear.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

85. "awareness, education, knowledge has nothing to do with bowing, fear or anything else."

And yet so many of your posts carry a tone of panicked desperation. That's not snark or an insult; that's an honest assessment.

And no, I have no intention of leaving her defenseless.

and dealing with a whole lots a teenage boys and a little older, i see how this effects them and their life. their choices. they matter. and that matters.

Golly, you should have been here for my "A Girl Blossoms to Womanhood" thread.

[seabeyond]

93. you would be incorrect nuclear. and because you have a certain perception, and interpret what i

post incorrectly, do not clarify/ask to be sure you have it right, but simply accuse or assume, is really not my problem. is it.

i understand you want to sweep certain issues under the rug and not really address certain issues for different personal reason. i choose not to do that. i choose to face them head on. my way. hardly sounds desperate to me.

but, it is clear putting up a stupid ass PIV argument you got from the mens group, to derail and dismiss this issue, shows the desire to truly adverts ones eyes. now. what would that be?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

135. "i understand you want to sweep certain issues under the rug"

Speaking of mistaken perceptions.

[seabeyond]

95. and yes. i read that. and yes. i got a chuckle. nt

[genwah]

17. I'm going to regret this, but this is why we need to decriminalize prostitution.

Everyone deserves a satisfying sex life.

[ismnotwasm]

21. Naw-- totally different topic

These guys aren't after prostitutes, they are after women they think they're entitled to. Wrong target population.

Nobody 'deserves' sex, it's a gift to be given, a sharing of bodies, a source of pleasure, but not a right.

[PeaceNikki]

22. exactly. like rape, it's about power and control more than sex.

The killer didn't want prostitutes or ugly girls. He wanted a hot blondes to fall at his feet.

[IronLionZion]

25. +1

It's a wonderful shared experience that people do together.

[AtheistCrusader]

30. I agree, different topic. I don't think Rogers would have considered that a relief valve.

[genwah]

65. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Everyone "deserves" sex. Limiting and controlling sex is a part of the

(pick any) patriarchal, sexist, misogynistic, oppressive...well you get the point.

[redqueen]

79. No one "deserves" sex. nt

[genwah]

110. Okay, I'll bite. I kinda know a little something about this, I'm a former

sex worker, with certifications as a sex educator and about half the credits I'd need for another bachelors degree.

One of the films I loved to keep on the list of educational god stuff is the honest story of a paraplegic filming his date with a hooker. There are interviews of both, done separately, and it's a sweet honest discussion of a nice relationship. I kinda think paraplegics deserve a nice sex life.

Your turn.

[redqueen]

121. The idea that disabled men (it's (almost?) always men) can't have sex unless they pay for it

is offensive garbage.

It's no surprise to see someone from the pro-prostitution lobby using that canard but it's pretty popular.

http://www.feministtimes.com/sexindustryweek-disabled-people-and-the-sex-industry/#sthash.0htQSLfe.dpuf

[genwah]

134. No, it's not always men, one of my dates was a cis-gendered woman with...you know what?

..never mind.

You have an opinion, and yes, I am a member of the pro-prostitution lobby, whatever that is, because WE DO GOOD WORK!! Sex work is real work, but there's nothing I can say to open a closed door.

[treestar]

122. A hooker can refuse to well, be a hooker

Sex with someone else is something you have to convince someone else to do. Even hookers have to be convinced - in fact they want money for it. No one has a right to make anyone else do it. No money, no hooker. It's not always there as you're presenting it. If he didn't have the money, he would not have gotten the sex. So it's true no one has a right to sex.

[genwah]

136. WUT? Try that again. He had the money, and even if he didn't, he as well as

everyone has a right to sex.

[treestar]

137. So if he didn't have the money

in that example, and can't get any other women to do it at all, then how is his "right" to be realized?

[genwah]

138. Really? You want to throw down with me? Cause I'll start from "Sex at Dawn" and

go through the "a woman's commodity" and then I'll go to John Fugelsang for the biblical stuff.

This looney-toon with a gun deserved a sex life as well as anyone else. He had the money, the important part of the story was that he had the crazy and he had the gun.

[treestar]

145. What do you mean?

You are making an illogical statement. No one has a right to sex. You have to get someone else to do it or buy it if you have the money. No money, no volunteers without money, no sex. No rights.

Why do you think you are so superior? How dare I argue with you? Good grief.

Prostitution has nothing to do with this guy. He didn't want that. He wanted the status of a woman voluntarily acting as his arm candy.

[Jamaal510]

153. This.

"No one has a right to sex. You have to get someone else to do it or buy it if you have the money."

[Demit]

152. Well ain't you tough.

What we deserve and what we have to do to get it in this world are two different things.

[treestar]

158. A social safety net

I don't have a problem with.

Sex is a different thing though. Can't redistribute the wealth on that without being over intrusive with people.

[nomorenomore08]

172. You can say that if you want. But what if no one's willing to provide it, in their case?

[Hippo_Tron]

174. Deserves sex, or is entitled to sex?

I agree with you that everyone deserves sex. But it's not something that anyone is entitled to (except for the kind you do with your own hands).

[Hippo_Tron]

173. I think there's a difference between deserving sex and being entitled to it

I think everybody (who wants it) deserves sex. But NOBODY is entitled to sex (except for the kind you do with your own hands).

And I agree with you that legalized prostitution wouldn't have solved the issue and it's not as though he couldn't have found a prostitute illicitly (it's not that hard).

[Sweet Freedom]

50. No

we don't. It's a nice perk, but it's not something everyone deserves.

(And personally, I would define a satisfying sex life much differently than a guy buying sex from a prostitute.)

[genwah]

68. Okay, we disagree, I think everyone has a right to a good sex life. As far as your personal

prejudice against sex workers, that's up to you, but if that's how you feel, IMHO you haven't been patronizing the right prostitutes.

[seabeyond]

81. how do you see, not satisfying sex life using other human beings as being prejudice toward

sex workers?

a little game playing and dishonesty on your part?

[genwah]

114. Ummm...what?

[Sweet Freedom]

142. Yeah that was a bizarre stretch.

[redqueen]

82. Being personally opposed to renting bodies is not "prejudice against sex workers"

stop with the idiotic spin.

[ismnotwasm]

102. And I don't want to play

[genwah]

139. Oh, wow!!! Thank you, I'm seriously swiping this for my desktop! Yay, you!

[Brigid]

160. I have seen most of these . . .

Almost verbatim at one time or another around here.

[Sweet Freedom]

141. Thank you

[dawg]

124. I wish everyone had a good sex life, but they don't have the "right" to one.

Unless you count relationships like my threesome with my two hot girlfriends, lefty and righty.

You only get to have sex when someone else wants to have sex with you. You can't compel someone to have sex with you, so there is no "right" to sex.

[nomorenomore08]

177. Well said. Thank you. n/t

[gollygee]

155. Nobody has a right to a good sex life

or any sex life for that matter.

No one has a right to have a female body available, or for that matter a male body. He can hire a prosittute if he wants, but he still doesn't have a right to have sex. He can see if a prostitute agrees to it.

And in his case, the only thing he apparently would consider to be "a good sex life" involved blonde college girls, not prostitutes. He didn't have a right to that either.

And even if he'd gotten a relationship with a pretty blonde college girl, he would have hated women and been miserable.

People don't have a right to anything that involves other people.

(And I saw the other thread about "what about his mom" and I'm not talking about someone's mom. The conversation is obviously about romantic relationships and sex.)

[Nevernose]

108. He didn't kill because he wasn't getting laid

He killed because he hated women. He hated a lot of men, too, for the record.

And I suspect that the main reason he couldn't find a woman to have sex with him was precisely BECAUSE he was so full of hate.

[nomorenomore08]

170. I wouldn't think sex with a prostitute would be terribly "satisfying."

Probably only a notch or two above masturbation, at best.

And while I don't disagree with the general idea of decriminalization/legalization, it does come with its own set of problems. No such thing as a perfect solution in this world.

[geek tragedy]

182. You should regret supporting PUA/MRA/male supremacist bullshit. nt

[ismnotwasm]

18. Oh yes

Those guys use a combo of Evo-psych and total assholery to produce the most horrid shit

It's right up their alley to capitalize on this tragedy.

[Jefferson23]

19. Pathetic and disgusting. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. Holy shit!

[DinahMoeHum]

23. Are these men forgetting one "sexual option"?

Jacking off.

Just askin'



And no, that's not meant to be funny. It's probably the most moral method of sex available in certain circumstances.

[AtheistCrusader]

31. This isn't about getting off.

They want to own someone.

[treestar]

34. +1

It's not even sex they want. It's the public aspect, arm candy.

It would be an interesting question to have some of these men answer the question, would they have sex with the best looking girl they knew if it was going to be in secret? If the rest of the world did not know? I tend to think that in that case, it wouldn't serve the cause they are really concerned about.

[seabeyond]

40. we have idolized mens sexuality to such a point, tied male sexuality into their manhood, it IS the

definition of their masculinity. it is their worth. who they are as a man.

we have so messed up male sexuality to such a point they need that arm candy to have any worth at all.

[XemaSab]

59. For real

You KNOW there are hot blondes hooking their way through UCSB, but it wasn't about sex, it was about power and control.

[Lex]

60. Yes, that's it.

Simply put but true.

[2naSalit]

203. +1!!

I have a well used description... having sex that you pay for or with someone you don't really love -- sex or the sake of having sex -- is just masturbation with someone else's body.

No one has the right to sex with another person.

I don't get this obsession with sex in our culture. we are conditioned to think and believe that there is something wrong with us if we don't have a "sex drive" or "sex life" or choose celibacy. But everything we see in ads on TeeVee and in print or online includes sex as a selling point. If something isn't sexy, it won't "sell".

And this seems to be what the end result is, miscreants insisting that they have a right to sex with whomever they think should be having sex with them because its their right and they'll kill anyone who disagrees.

Seriously, folks, time to step back and reassess.

[Trekologer]

194. They actually have two options

left or right


















... I'll be here all week. Try the veal and don't forget to tip the wait staff.

[deutsey]

24. Out of curiosity, I went to the website Elliot Rodger participated on

PUAHate.com (Pick Up Artist Hate or something like that) yesterday morning as news of his connection to that site began to circulate.

I stayed long enough to see that some members there were calling him a hero and even wishing he had shot more.

[seabeyond]

42. people say this is not a big deal. it is everywhere on the net. we hear it often. i had a rape

fantasy threat thrown at me a couple weeks ago here on du. my first. but... it is everywhere.

our boys are reading conversations like this, about women, and our girls, all the fuggin time. daily. from tons of sources.

it is going to effect our boys and their thinking. i do not know why we pretend otherwise.

yesterday i had two 20 yr old guys having conversations about girls... and i heard a couple of these mra comments. it is just becoming part of their language.

[redqueen]

84. Ignoring it makes it worse. The 'just ignore them' remedy has been used so far and what happens?

It gets worse.

Ignoring misogyny IS NOT AN OPTION.

[seabeyond]

98. Ignoring misogyny IS NOT AN OPTION.

no. it is not.

[ancianita]

105. Nope. Never.

[flvegan]

28. "Roosh" rhymes with...nevermind, too easy.

I kept looking for the link to The Onion. I'm saddened that some alleged male somewhere 1. wrote that; 2. believes that.

[treestar]

32. Something is wrong with these people

They really need blow up dolls. If they did have a girlfriend, they'd expect to control her completely.

Rodger was a good looking kid, too. Something was wrong in the head.

[Rex]

36. So can we now admit to rape culture being prevalent in America?

Or do we have to wait for more women to be shot for having a vagina?

[redqueen]

88. No, we're supposed to just ignore it. Unless we have some scientifically peer-reviewed studies

showing what, exactly, will change this, we are supposed to sit on our hands and do nothing at all.



I really wish I hadn't seen those two methods championed here.

[dawg]

41. Society tells men they are losers if they aren't having sex.

It's a status thing. To be 100% honest, I'm feeling that pressure a little bit myself, right now. I don't blame women though. It's my choice. It's what works for me right now.

[treestar]

43. And women, not having a boyfriend

Being single and not having anyone ask you out on dates. When it should be what suits each person at the time.

[Darkhawk32]

46. Sorry, but that isn't as pervasive of a problem than the pressure from men to be "getting some".

[treestar]

47. How would you know?

though it is better now. When I was young in the 80s I was "weird" for not having boyfriends or dates. Nowadays it is much better handled, the way young people go out in groups instead of having to pair off on "dates" when they aren't comfortable with that person yet.

[Darkhawk32]

48. And then how would YOU know? Good lord. n/t

[treestar]

57. I suppose neither sex can imagine being the other

But the social pressures are more or less equal. Why are you reacting to the idea that women might have some pressure too, as if it matters when it is men but not when it is women?

[AtheistCrusader]

51. Perhaps no, difficult to gauge. But it is a symptom of the same problem, even if

not as pervasive as you assert.

[Sweet Freedom]

61. I disagree

Society still measures a woman's worth very much by marital status and motherhood.

[Darkhawk32]

64. To a degree, I can see that. But how often do you get harangued for being single with no kids?

How often do young men talk about their "sexual conquests" and tease the guy that's "getting none"?

Now the solution isn't in the Return of Morons website, but I don't know how to lessen that pressure.

[Sweet Freedom]

74. Constantly

Married, children, dating anyone? Easily in the list of top ten questions people — even complete strangers — ask women. (I actually have a kid, but I am not married. Oh how sad for me. I must be so scared. What do I do when I have a flat tire? ) And the marriage and dating questions never stop no matter how old the woman is.

But please, lessen the pressure on yourself. Certainly you have goals and areas of your life that bring you joy and satisfaction. Revel in those. And as far as being teased, speak up. The world needs more men to say that getting laid isn't the only satisfaction in life. (And if the guys around you treat you like crap because of it, then you may deserve better friends.)

[treestar]

119. I have photos of my nieces and nephews in my office

People see them an invariably ask if they are my kids. It doesn't offend me really, but it's still the first assumption.

[Hippo_Tron]

175. This isn't a pissing contest, both are problems

[AtheistCrusader]

49. Try being a woman, married, for 5+ years with no children.

I thought my wife was going to scream at someone in public, she was so hounded about it.

Society is pretty jacked-up expectation-wise from one end of the spectrum to the other on pair bonds.

[treestar]

58. That too.

That's the good thing about being over the hill. People have to quit wondering when you're getting married/having children.

[dawg]

55. I think men and women have it more or less equally bad but in different ways.

I have very little experience with women. I married early, and I thought I had won the game.

Now, at 47, I'm trying to start over. Yuck!

And I feel like a loser, because my ex has someone else and I'm still all alone.

I don't know where to meet women, how to ask them out, or even what to do if they actually say yes.

I'll have to be willing to risk lots of rejection if I'm ever to have a chance of finding someone special again. And after having a marriage fall apart because of a spouse's infidelity, I don't really have an over-abundance of confidence to draw upon. I don't understand why she wanted to cheat. Friends tell me that it must have been something that was missing in her, not something that was missing in me. But I can't help but feel that there must be something very unappealing about me for her to have been willing to hurt a friend so badly just for the chance to be with someone else.

So it sucks being the man and carrying that weight around in my head.

But at least I have options. I can ask someone out and it won't be considered weird or forward. I'm expected to take the initiative and I'm not expected to just sit around and wait for someone to ask me out.

I know it's becoming more and more acceptable for women to ask men out, but it's certainly not a 50/50 thing yet. So, at least I have that going for me.

[Darkhawk32]

69. Dawg, I understand everything you just posted.

I was the victim of spousal infidelity as well. So I understand all too well what you're feeling. I don't know who your ex-wife cheated on you with but mine cheated on me with my best friend of 20+ years. Not only did she ruin our marriage and our family, I had to erase 20+ years of memories along with it.

Then the bogus family courts jumped in... (oh I won't get started into that, I'll get kicked out of DU for sure).

I would LOVE it if a woman asked me out. But right now, my levels of trust in women (hell, all people in general) is just about jack squat.


Now, aside from my little rant, women's expectations increase as they get older (the pressure to have a husband and kids) and the expectation for men decrease as they get older. When was the last time a 40-year old was asked if they got laid? But at 20, holy shit, your friends might think you strangely if you didn't. And quite frankly, at that age, you're judge more superficially so if you're not an Adonis or a Greek Goddess, you're pretty much out of luck.

[dawg]

73. Thanks for the supportive reply, Darkhawk32.

I don't trust or distrust women. I distrust one particular person. I'll probably always love her and care about her, but I can't imagine ever trusting her again.

[Darkhawk32]

86. If her evilness ended with just that, I would be able to relate to your last statement.

Now, I wouldn't care if she got hit by a meteor.

I've fought trust issues for the last 7 years now.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm getting tired of constantly hearing that "men are pigs", "men only think with their dicks", "men should pay their ex-wives", "men are no good", "women should be worshipped like goddesses", "women should be treated like queens".

Like I said in another thread, I've learned that women are just as full of shit as men are. But, just saying that doesn't place women on equal footing as men, like it's intended, it makes me somehow a misogynist. Oh well.

[dawg]

91. I'm not a very trusting guy after all of this, but ...

the person that I trust the most in this world happens to be a woman. Not a love interest or anything, just one of my friends who happens to be a person of great integrity. I think she helped me to put the things that happened to me in their proper perspective. Women are just people. They are all different from each other, and THANK GOD for that.

[seabeyond]

106. women are jsut as full of shit as men. i guess i am a misogynist too. oh well.

i have been reading a lot of your psots on du the last couple days. lots of accusations toward women, probably myself, our group, here on du.

you are wrong. it is that simple.

i will be the first to say that women screw around as much as men, on their partners.

kinda takes the excuses away from the evo psychs, right? you know. men do it cause dna makes them. so women do it cause *****

"men only think with their dicks"... you might want to address your fellow man. cause this feminist has repeatedly and for years told men that they do not have a brain in their dick, that their dick is a part of who they are. not a separate entity that gets its own identity. but men. men continually arguing with me that i just do not understand. all of a man is his dick.

bro... i am with you on that. will stand with you in support anytime you speak out about... the dick is the second head, bullshit. right there with you.

some men are pigs. kinda like the men that say they are entitled to sex with a hot blonde and what a slut she is that she wont give him the sex. or the men that pass laws about sticking a huge plastic probe up our girls vaginas to cause them pain cause they choose a legal medical procedure. or the men that say on the radio a woman is a slut, whore and needs to video her sex for men to watch while she speaks to congress about bc pill. or the man that tells women to put a aspirin between our knees. or the men that tell us to control our libidos while men get to do whatever.

i can go on, but i bet you get my point.

men should pay x wives? well a lot depends in that so cant really say without more info.

lots and lots of men are good people. just as lots and lots of women are good people. personally, i would say the vast majority.

please do not worship me. ever. ever ever ever. do not do that. that is as wrong as being sexist, or even hating me

treat me as a person, not a queen. that is all feminists ask for.

[Darkhawk32]

117. "treat me as a person, not a queen. that is all feminists ask for."

Ummm... isn't that what I'm doing?

Isn't this exactly what feminists want?

Your real enemy isn't a man like me, it's the women like I describe that perpetuates the patriarchal society for their own selfish benefit.

[seabeyond]

120. now this. shows all the sad that you are

[Darkhawk32]

131. I think you want to attack for the sake of attacking. n/t

[seabeyond]

157. i am not attacking.

[Darkhawk32]

161. At least have the courage of your convictions to admit that it was an attack. n/t

[seabeyond]

162. i wont own a non truth to appease someone. and btw. that is not an attack either. nt

[Darkhawk32]

164. You're full of it. n/t

[nomorenomore08]

178. Again, you are extremely hostile to people who haven't done much of anything to you.

From our interactions, you seem like a decent enough guy in most respects, so I wish you'd find a way to let go of some of the anger. I've had to do much the same thing myself, and it's still an ongoing process.

[Darkhawk32]

209. I get attacked, I defend myself and I'm the angry one? Wow, just wow. n/t

[nomorenomore08]

210. Of course you can defend yourself. The point is that your responses are way out of proportion. n/t

[Darkhawk32]

211. Don't see it, but hey, I'm not looking for brownie points from the females here on DU. n/t

[nomorenomore08]

213. Me neither. I'm just expressing an opinion like everybody else - that's what message boards are for.

[TygrBright]

125. My Experience: Finding the Right Partner

I spent a big chunk of my life single and celibate, not by choice, other than "eeeyew, the alternatives offered are worse."

Then I spent a smaller (but substantial) chunk of my life as a Sexual Adventurer, with lots of swinging, many partners, very intense transitory relationships, etc.

In both phases of my life I can say that I spent a great deal of time, thought, and energy focusing on sex/lack of sex/potential partners/how to make what I wanted happen. All of it fairly futile.

Eventually I more or less gave up and wrote myself off as lifetime single, mostly celibate with an occasional fling here or there.

Having done so, I looked around and said "Okay, assuming that, I can write off worrying about how to get what I want sexually. Now, how about living a life that's enjoyable? What do I want to do, how do I want to live, what do I like and dislike, what's the best "me" I can be for MY enjoyment?"

I stopped thinking about getting dates and started thinking about finding stuff to do that I enjoyed, and groups of people who shared my interests to spend time with. I stopped worrying about whether how I looked would attract the kind of sex partner I wanted, and started thinking about how I feel-- comfortable and healthy.

When I was least expecting it, The World's Most Wonderful Human Being and I happened to coincide. And because I was visible, rather than hiding behind a facade of "What I think will attract you," the connection happened.

informatively,
Bright

[seabeyond]

171. excellent post.... nt

[Skittles]

185. in my entire life I never, ever sat around and waited for someone to ask me out

but then, I guess I have never played by the rules

[eridani]

190. Statistics is very much on your side. In about 10 years, a lot of your competition will be dying

Just take care of yourself physically until then

[LTR]

45. Roosh seriously needs an editor

He said some pretty ridiculous things, but at the same time, he also makes a few good points.

The first thing I got when I read the ACTUAL article (and not just the Raw Story summary of it) is that Rodger was in serious need of confidence. He obviously had none whatsoever, and he allowed that to turn into hatred and resentment. He also allowed society to put him down, rather than finding his own way to work with it.

Unfortunately, Roosh decided not to stop there.

Instead, he went off on a crazed rant that made HIM sound like an angry sociopath with a grudge. In short, just like Rodger, he's laying the blame on society. A truly confident person would most likely play the hand he was dealt, rather than whine about it.

Since the beginning of time, one of the most important goals in everyone's lives has been to find a mate and procreate. That is the same with every single living species. Unfortunately, this has led both men and women to over-complicate things, with weird theories, gimmicks, emotional defense shields and low self-esteem.

Truth is, not all men are rapists and not all women are heartless bitches. Instead of hiding behind the guises of gender rights and political correctness, men and women just need to stop overthinking this shit and learn to just understand each other on a personal basis.

Neither men nor women should be automatically entitled to anything. It has to be earned, and the only way to earn it is to be the best person you can possibly be, to yourself and to others, without letting the insecure miserymongers of society try to paint you into a box.

[alp227]

96. "guises of gender rights and political correctness"?

And you really want to defend this Rooshbag? He was so coarse in his blog, any legit point he had was derailed.

[LTR]

103. I'm not defending him

And after reading other stuff on his blog, I feel he's a complete asshole.

However, just like the flower that grows out of the pile of manure, he did make at least one good point. Too bad he had to go off on some ridiculous wingnut rants prior to hawking whatever pickup scheme he's peddling. Whoever is paying for advice from this tool is seriously getting ripped off. Buy some Tony Robbins tapes instead.

[seabeyond]

112. we sould teach our children confidence, both genders. that is the one good?

we should teach our kids to be confident, give them tools that will assure they can be, teach them social skills to make life a little easier for them. parent them. go figure.

see. the thing. him saying one word... confidence, in a whole lot of shit gets no pat on the back.

[redqueen]

123. Rapist / "bitch"

I find the nouns you used to compare the sexes very revealing.

[nomorenomore08]

179. As if being an unpleasant person were comparable to sexual assault...

I'm pretty sure that's not what he literally intended, but still...

[redqueen]

195. I think the fact that that is the comparison he made speaks volumes.

I also think it says a lot about this site that it survived a jury.

[smallcat88]

52. These guys

never heard of masturbation? Or large rubber dolls? Because that's all they really deserve.

As a woman I'm here to confirm: Smart is sexy. That's probably why, in middle age, I'm now a confirmed cat lady. Too few smart guys to go around. And if any of them(the MRA types) ever run into me and try to 'assert' their self-perceived sexual dominance? I have a razor blade that says they'll never need a woman again.

That's how much these little assholes piss me off. Got game? Why no, you little pricks, you don't.

[dawg]

78. As a self-conscious man trying to somehow "start over" in his late 40s ...

I'm simultaneously encouraged and terrified by your post. (I think I would be safe from your razor blade, though. If anything, I'll probably get into trouble for moving too slow.)

[smallcat88]

165. Sorry

I was thinking while I drove to work this morning - 'I probably went a little overboard with that post about the razor blade.' Bad temper; inherited from my dad, a cop who taught me to defend myself before I learned to read or write. But any inspired fear is only meant for jerks who think they're 'entitled' to sex more than I'm entitled to decide what happens to my own body.

As for moving too slow - wouldn't worry, women find that refreshing as hell. Most guys have that entitlement problem.

[crim son]

87. You speak for me and thank you.

I find this entire discussion beyond nauseating and the few who hint that Roosh may have a couple good points, make me want to hurl. Like virtually all women I have been subjected to the male need to get laid for as long as I can remember. I've been verbally assaulted and I've been physically assaulted by horny men who have believed I exist primarily to service their sad little dicks. I have been in so-called "loving" relationships where I was the sweetest, most wonderful woman in the world... until they ended and I suddenly wasn't worth a backward glance. So many of these arrogant assholes haven't got the brains to read a cereal box yet they believe they "deserve" my attention.

Enough. I am suddenly feeling the anger I have tried to subdue ever since I was nine years old, in a crowd of people, and some creepy freak thought it was a good idea to grab my vagina. It was the first time but it wasn't the last. We women, we don't even talk about it, it's so "normal" to us. Well, FUCK that.

[redqueen]

97. "the few who hint that Roosh may have a couple good points, make me want to hurl"

[phone]

One minor disagreement - it is not a "need" to get laid. These types consider it their right. This is one of the most common and easily identifiable manifestations of male entitlement.

[seabeyond]

118. crim son. excellent post. and yes. nt

[spanone]

53. now there's a twist i didn't contemplate...what ignorant bullshit

[Darkhawk32]

54. I've read comments about men on DU from women that were just as misogynistic. Sucks on both ends.

[Solly Mack]

56. WTFever

[DesertDiamond]

62. I've got a sexual option for them. Meet Rosie Palm and her Five Friends! Sorry, I hope I don't get

censored for this. But it's what I tell men when they try to demand something from me that they aren't gonna get! LOL

[Lex]

63. They want to own and dominate someone

not just get off (as someone up thread pointed out).

[fasttense]

71. Exactly

If those nasty men want sex and most women avoid them, then the solution is they get sex from themselves or each other.

Oh, it's a certain type of sex they want. But this pretending that they can't get any sex is pure BS.

I'll bet you it isn't the shy, overweight, slightly boyish woman with little fashion sense they want sex from either.

[Baitball Blogger]

66. Seriously, Roosh needs to be pulled in for psychiatric evaluation.

[TygrBright]

128. Excuse me, Baitball Blogger. Don't take this too personally, please...

But remarks like "Being such a spectacular asshole must mean this person is mentally ill" push a certain button.

I am mentally ill.

I am not a spectacular asshole. Most days, anyway. Certainly no more so than people who are not mentally ill. In fact, maybe less so, because I genuinely try NOT to be a spectacular asshole.

OK, please repeat after me, with feeling:

"SPECTACULAR ASSHOLERY AND MENTAL ILLNESS ARE NOT THE SAME THING."

Thank you.

restrainedly,
Bright

[Baitball Blogger]

143. I understand your plight, Bright.

It would be easier to sort out if the "mental illness" tag were not so quickly assigned to anyone who is the gunman for a school massacre. I feel for you, because you have an uphill road to climb.

[whopis01]

72. Here is a sexual option for Roosh and those assholes - go fuck yourself. n/t

[bluestateguy]

76. Rodger could have gone to Nevada and paid for a legal prostitute

He certainly had the money to do it, but he was either too stupid to know this, or felt that that was beneath him.

In any case, getting laid might have calmed him down for a little while, but there were far more systemic problems at work here that a few nights in the hay would not have solved.

[redqueen]

100. I wish people would stop saying that men like this could be helped by having sex (even if rented).

That is simply not the answer to anything.

[leftstreet]

107. And these guys should stop lying about what they want

You're right

And these freaks should also stop using the subject of sex as cover for a desire to control a female, period. But they know if they say SEX!!111 the subject changes to the bad, bad women who won't accommodate them. Lost is the notion of their malignant sense of entitlement

[seabeyond]

115. being denied sex. that is the one that is pissing me off at the moment. ahhhhh. po baby.

being denied. wtf?

[ck4829]

101. It was probably the latter

A girlfriend for him was a means to an end. He wanted a beautiful and blonde girlfriend as a status symbol, he viewed women as no different than his jewelry or his car.

[WinkyDink]

130. You want to argue all sides, it seems. Do you think Ted Bundy just needed a prostitute?

[treestar]

146. Ted Bundy was able to attract women

Oddly, even when he was in prison under a death sentence.

It is food for thought. This Elliot kid doesn't get a girl, yet Ted Bundy and I think Richard Ramirez could.

One of the Manson murder girls had a husband, too.

People's choices in these matters are amazing.

[Hippo_Tron]

180. Ironically had this dude not committed suicide, I suspect he'd have numerous female admirers

[treestar]

189. Like Dzhohar Tsarnaev

Absolutely.

[treestar]

200. So true! I bet you are right.

And Johar Tsarnaev has some, too, IIRR.

[nomorenomore08]

183. I'm tempted to just chalk it up to general human foolishness. n/t

[babylonsister]

132. There's this...

from the article, so paying someone who earns money by offering sex wouldn't work apparently:

“We live in a society where being shy, normal, or a little awkward is duly punished by entitled American women who have been encouraged to pursue exciting and fun casual sex in their prime with sexy and hot men as a way of ‘experimentation.’”

He then explains that when women have “passed their physical prime” they then select a “nice guy” with whom to settle down, with the understanding that he is “expected to keep his mouth shut when a trickle flow of informational torture reveals that his bride-to-be has experienced more than a dozen different penises in her vagina, anus, and mouth—the same mouth that is supposed to kiss his future children good night.”

[treestar]

147. Gross, and probably doesn't work the other way round

Why shouldn't a virginal girl be concerned about the vaginas his roger has been in - and he could have impregnated them and there could be a surprise child support case turn up years later.

[Rhinodawg]

83. What a load of gargage.

[GeorgeGist]

89. The douche known as Roosh ...

[nomorenomore08]

184. Such an eminently punchable face...

[knightmaar]

90. How would this even work?

Are women forced to register for this, like Selective Service or jury duty?
Then one day you get a letter in the mail:

Dear Jane,

You have been selected by Sexual Mitigation Services
Please proceed to 123 Fake St and have sex with John.
He's about to go nuts and kill a whole bunch of women.
Go fuck him, quick.

Sincerely,
The Government.

[ancianita]

92. Fuck these guys. Women will never, ever go back to being meat puppets and sperm receptacles.

More "people" will die if guys don't get laid?? Fuck these guys.

[Rex]

109. +1

What you said times a million.

[seabeyond]

116. yes. the backlash is harsh and the genie wont be put back in the bottle. that is all this is about

women having her own autonomy. and the men that hate it, cant handle it, do not want it.

tough fuckin shit.

[ancianita]

126. I predicted forty years ago -- and was laughed at -- that the last war on Earth would be

between males and females.

Evolution is on the side of the adaptors, not the dominators.

[seabeyond]

156. we shall see. a lot of the reason young men are so angry is because a lot of our young women just

are not going to play the game of submissive. and they have more confidence in just saying no. i am not talking sex.

the young women seem to be looking ahead, more confidently. they clearly see the degradation. that makes it easy for them to say... this. i wont live this.

dont have to. not anymore.

that is what is really scary the less secure young man. the ones that progress with, are not afraid. or concerned. they are confident. and excited.

it is interesting. i too am very excited. but then the last handful of days, i have been immersed in this and see to much positive also.

[ancianita]

163. One current statistic is that a majority of US adults are single and not married. That says a lot.

[2pooped2pop]

94. they think they get to fuck us at will?

Are they all politicians?

[ladjf]

99. Total nonsense. nt

[ck4829]

104. Groups like this should just be considered a part of an umbrella known as Organized Hypocrisy

You want a 'perfect 10', perfect body-weight ratio, blonde, statuesque, supermodel looking woman but you get shocked and outraged when you discover women have standards that exclude you? That's hypocrisy in it's purest form.

[etherealtruth]

111. Vomit inducing n/t

[ancianita]

113. No sites that 'rationalize' manipulations will ever 'train' men to think women are their equals.

There's no "rationalizing" men's needs.

But when they DO own up to figuring out how to not impose those needs upon women, they'll have a shot at being feminists.

From my old hero of forty years ago:

[Zorra]

127. Wow. There seems to be a whole lot of dangerous, ignorant, hateful, and juvenile conservative men

out there.

I sincerely hope the cops are keeping an eye on the author of that mini Mein Kampf woman hating manifesto.

[WinkyDink]

129. It's inevitable because this is where we live, period.

[intaglio]

140. Rational Wiki has a nice breakdown of webshites

the list of sexist websites is here

Roosh has 2 websites - Return of the Kings and RooshV - both are sick little productions.

[PeaceNikki]

144. jesus christ, the sheer number alone is a sign of real problems.

Thanks for the link

[Dawson Leery]

205. Ever notice how many followers right wing bigots have on social media?

There is a certain percentage of the population that is openly hostle to progress. They are certainly looking at using violence to get their way.

[treestar]

148. Keep having to go to urban dictionary today

A Webshite is using the British slang for shit, shite to obvious refer to shitty websites.

[kestrel91316]

150. Hey, asshat, there was nothing to stop him from getting a

"Thai wife". His dad was rich enough to give him that Beemer - he could have given him money to fly to Thailand and get any woman he wanted.

(directed at the asshat MRA writer and not the OP)

[arcane1]

151. FFS, it's women's fault that loon couldn't get sex? His attitude had nothing to do with it?

His treatment of women as trophies, where only the 'hot blonde" ones count for anything, had nothing to do with it?

These idiots are lost, in every way.

[sheshe2]

154. WTF!

Roosh recommends that society change its ways, warning: “More people will die unless you give men sexual options.”

So, we are suppose to just lay down on our backs for the likes of the Rodgers in this world?!? This is sick shit!

[yuiyoshida]

159. Roosh sounds like a terrorist to me.

Just sayin

[AverageJoe90]

167. Roosh V is a raging misogynist asshole with a superiority complex.....he's also a racist douche.....

to boot!

[valerief]

176. Why don't these assholes just have sex with each other and shut the fuck up? nt

[Number23]

186. "learn game, seek out a Thai wife, or engage in legalized prostitution"

What the hell kind of options are these? And is up with the "Thai wife" bit??

[LeftyMom]

187. You know when the creeps here keep talking about "Western women"? That's what they mean.

It's easier to go get a mail order wife who won't complain if you knock her around a little because you can threaten her immigration status.

This is also why MRAs were pressuring the right to get immigration protections for abused women out of VAWA.

[Number23]

188. Holy shit. I had no idea

So who gives a damn about the rights of a woman who's been "shipped" to the other side of the world so that she can have the privilege of shacking up with some Western Wanker. As long as hubby gets a hot meal and can ejaculate a few times a month, it's all good I guess.

I feel bad for those Thai Wives. For lots of reasons.

[redqueen]

198. When people here minimize MRAs by saying it's just a few loons,

That is the kind of shit they're minimizing and dismissing.

MRAs are are very active politically
http://www.salon.com/2009/11/05/mens_rights/
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/08/angry-men-feminist-agenda/

[msanthrope]

206. I assist in a legal project that informs women in these situations of their legal rights...the Obama

administration has been a refreshing change in policy. It's much easier to divorce and stay now, compared to before. VAWA green card? It can be done!

[defacto7]

191. This is sick.

Is this for real? or is this another major Internet Trolling organization that will convince the vulnerable among us to follow their trumped up ways like a huge joke on society?

Or are they really that sociopathic?

[IronLionZion]

192. What this irresistible chick magnet looks like:

[Sunlei]

193. society does. they can hire hookers. legal in nevada or the wealthy go to other countries where its

legal- Gov. regulated.. Like some tourista zones in Colombia, SA.

His 'problems' were made worse when as a kid he went to places to play computer games. pay by the hour and over looked adults viewing porn. I bet Xanax side effects? and the drinking starting with wine sips as a kid, didn't help.

That family was wealthy enough to have hired a 24/7 'nanny' to stay with their kid and they should have. They paid for everything else in his short life.

[Dawson Leery]

204. The Elliot Rogers of the world are a greater threat than anything from the middle east at this time.

[herding cats]

212. That is some truly sick shit!

Gee, I can't for the life of me think of a reason why such a nice guy has a hard time finding women who are interested in having sex with him. Wait...yes I can, he's a total misogynistic asshole!

[Hekate]

214. That last paragraph is chilling. "Learn game, seek out a Thai wife, ...legalized prostitution"?

These are all equivalent in this *hole's mind and an excuse for mass murder of women?

Frankly, I would pity ANY woman at all who got within a mile of Roosh and his ilk. Imagine a sex-worker having to deal with his rage that she expected to be paid for her intimacy with him; imagine a "Thai wife" discovering she was expected to be a slave, and dealing with his rage that she could not live up to his expectations; imagine any woman going on a date with him, the danger she would run into whether she responded to his game or not.