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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:32 AM May 2014

How the Gun Industry Preys on Paranoid, Insecure Men Like Elliot Rodger

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/how-gun-industry-preys-paranoid-insecure-men-elliot-rodger



The gun industry has a problem. Despite the United States having a reputation for being a “gun-loving” country, interest in gun ownership is actually declining, fairly dramatically in fact. Nearly half of American households had a gun in the '70s, but since then it’s sloped downward. Now only 34 percent of American households own a gun. Demographic changes are a huge factor, with younger Americans showing very little interest in gun ownership. Only 23 percent of people under 30 live in households with a gun, down from 47 percent in the 1970s. How does the gun industry keep selling guns and making money when the customer base for guns appears to be rapidly shrinking?

It seems the industry has figured out an ingenious solution to the problem: Convince people who are interested in guns to buy more guns. Indeed, having a bunch of highly invested repeat customers might make for an even more profitable strategy than simply trying to get a gun into every household. Convincing the small number of gun lovers in the United States to create individual arsenals has kept gun sales numbers high. The result is that gun ownership is becoming a highly concentrated activity. Nearly half of gun owners own four or more guns. Twenty percent of gun owners—around 7 percent of Americans overall— own a whopping 65 percent of the guns in this country.

The gun industry has clearly figured out how to make a lot of money convincing a small number of Americans to own a whole bunch of guns. Unfortunately, the result is a subculture of gun fanatics whose combination of masculine insecurities, paranoia and hostility to their fellow Americans make them quite possibly the people you least want to be around, armed and dangerous. Sadly, the most recent mass shooting in California that left 6 people murdered is all too good an example of this, as the shooter, Elliot Rodger, was quite open about his masculine insecurities and power fantasies.

The gun industry, through its direct marketing and through industry front organizations like the NRA, has settled on a marketing scheme they’ll never openly admit to but which is completely evident in their press releases, advertisements and other marketing materials. They target men who have high levels of insecurity when it comes to issues of masculinity and power, and suggest that buying guns will make them feel powerful and manly and chase those insecurities away.
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How the Gun Industry Preys on Paranoid, Insecure Men Like Elliot Rodger (Original Post) xchrom May 2014 OP
" What ??....Those women won't have sex with you ???..... Rhinodawg May 2014 #1
My 3 guns never got me noticed.. armed_and_liberal May 2014 #11
Ms. Marcotte is going to make some gun fanciers berry mad. Hope Hoyt May 2014 #2
All the while gun worshipers say it's not about their insecurities... baldguy May 2014 #3
That ad is what needs to get out to the American public. greatlaurel May 2014 #14
Yep. secondvariety May 2014 #4
Do you say the same thing... Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #6
DIFFERENCE: ALL SPORTS DON'T LEAVE A LONG TRAIL OF BLOOD AND DEATH! drynberg May 2014 #8
I would guess that neither do those middle aged men that you are so quick to look down your nose at Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #9
Are camera murders on the rise? klook May 2014 #12
Hard to kill anyone with a modern camera... hunter May 2014 #34
Sounds like someone hit a nerve n/t arcane1 May 2014 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #30
When they secondvariety May 2014 #15
I'm with you on that.. Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #21
And who's judging all gun owners as killers? alp227 May 2014 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 May 2014 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 May 2014 #43
Do you think people Sweet Freedom May 2014 #25
Hoo boy, this is a two-fer, and it's right. geek tragedy May 2014 #5
It certainly is an invitation for the garbage to smell its worst alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #13
Marketing is similar to so-called penis enlargement devices. GoldenMezzoDiva May 2014 #7
K&R. Paladin May 2014 #10
Great post! greatlaurel May 2014 #16
The gun industry doesn't want to lose any sales. hoarders, collectors and stockpilers they love. Sunlei May 2014 #17
So they market guns to men the way they market nearly everything else to men. aikoaiko May 2014 #18
Not really. Never saw a car or clothes ad that preys on gunners' fear of the boogeyman and such. Hoyt May 2014 #29
Maybe not, but they tap into other male insecurities all the time. aikoaiko May 2014 #31
Do we really want a bunch of "insecure" males running around with guns? Hoyt May 2014 #32
I don't care what their feelings are as long as they remain on the right side of the law. aikoaiko May 2014 #33
Technically, yes. alp227 May 2014 #44
My wife and daughter got a laugh out of this hack89 May 2014 #19
Remember George Sodini (massacred women in 2009)? LeftinOH May 2014 #20
And with the news media customerserviceguy May 2014 #22
I hadn't heard of that one IronLionZion May 2014 #24
Since the mid 1990's it's been "The Dems are coming to take your guns" NightWatcher May 2014 #23
Well, let's face it, there just isn't that much you can do with a gun. bemildred May 2014 #26
! xchrom May 2014 #27
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #35
This is all relevant how? alp227 May 2014 #45
The OP title says... beevul May 2014 #46
So even if Rodger didn't care about gun ads, alp227 May 2014 #47
For some men, guns are penis substitutes. nt LiberalEsto May 2014 #40
careful! Skittles May 2014 #42
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan May 2014 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author xchrom May 2014 #41
Imagine that, selling more products to current customers? Jenoch May 2014 #49
 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
1. " What ??....Those women won't have sex with you ???.....
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:38 AM
May 2014

here, buy this gun....and 400 rounds , STUD".

insane

armed_and_liberal

(246 posts)
11. My 3 guns never got me noticed..
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:02 AM
May 2014

But a tight pair of lyrca cycling shorts while riding one of my 7 bicycles almost always got me a second glance. Better to pack meat than heat!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Ms. Marcotte is going to make some gun fanciers berry mad. Hope
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:43 AM
May 2014

Last edited Tue May 27, 2014, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Hope they don't treat her like MOM in wheelchair.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
14. That ad is what needs to get out to the American public.
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:13 AM
May 2014

Then people will know what that it is not about "freedom", but profit for the gun manufacturers.

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
4. Yep.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:23 AM
May 2014

Every gun nut I know has an arsenal and they all love to brag about it like they're comparing peckers. It's actually pretty pathetic for middle aged men to act like that.

 

Slip_n_Slide

(30 posts)
6. Do you say the same thing...
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:36 AM
May 2014

... to gear heads, outdoor enthusiasts or anyone else who has a hobby that has "the latest and greatest" gear?

 

Slip_n_Slide

(30 posts)
9. I would guess that neither do those middle aged men that you are so quick to look down your nose at
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:53 AM
May 2014

Have any of the "gun nuts you know" actually killed anyone in an illegal or unethical manner?

Are you judging them on what they might do in the future because they are equipped?

Are you holding them up as criminals based on the actions of others?

Do you treat every male as a rapist based on the fact that he has the necessary equipment and other men in the world have raped?

What is the difference?

klook

(12,154 posts)
12. Are camera murders on the rise?
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:04 AM
May 2014

Musical instrument mayhem? Riding lawn mower mass killings?

Maybe I missed those news reports.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
34. Hard to kill anyone with a modern camera...
Tue May 27, 2014, 01:03 PM
May 2014

... but damn, those heavy all metal 35mm cameras of the 'fifties and 'sixties, you surely could.

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Yes, this is to annoy the guns don't kill people, people kill people chorus.

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secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
15. When they
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:16 AM
May 2014

start with the "I got a 40:2 rear end with a dual pumper carb and a triple hoopdedo manifold blah blah blah" I'm like STFU. The testosterone challenged geezers (I'm actually older than them) are either bragging about their guns or their cars SOMEBODY ELSE built for them.

I DO have a couple of buddies who are the real deal. One (a little older than me) builds dragsters from the frame up. The other (a little younger than me) does beautiful customization of M1 Garands. Neither one brags about it or even brings it up unless asked.

 

Slip_n_Slide

(30 posts)
21. I'm with you on that..
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:04 AM
May 2014

Last edited Tue May 27, 2014, 11:10 AM - Edit history (1)

Being braggadocious is not the same as being a mass killer with the blood of the world on your hands. It just makes you a social ass.

Where I get off is the point where we lump an entire group of people, gun owners, and judge them with hyperbolic bullshit like 'trails of blood and tears'.

They get judged not on their actions but on the criminal actions of an infinitesimally small minority.

Double hypocrisy points for that specific crime but not for any others. Rape, robbery, assault, white collar crime...

All of that is the fault of the individual criminal but bring a gun into the conversation and you can hear the brains clicking off.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
36. And who's judging all gun owners as killers?
Tue May 27, 2014, 02:26 PM
May 2014

The problem is that lots of gun owners feel threatened by gun control measures - even though the control isn't about THEM, it's about those like Rodger who shouldn't have guns in the first place! There's a difference between gun owners and gun fetishists. Sadly, the irrational "OBAMA WANNA TAKEAWAY MAH GUNNNN" people have far too much of the gun dialogue in America.

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Sweet Freedom

(3,995 posts)
25. Do you think people
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:10 AM
May 2014

who are hobbyists would be opposed to or support gun regulation? Say for example, if you're a collector, then you can't buy 400 rounds of ammo, etc. I would hope that there are responsible owners out there who are appalled at those who have no respect for human life.

It actually would be nice if the enthusiasts and collectors took a middle ground and helped bridge the gap in the guns for everyone/no one argument.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. Hoo boy, this is a two-fer, and it's right.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:27 AM
May 2014

The NRA and the MRA types here will not appreciate this.

GoldenMezzoDiva

(79 posts)
7. Marketing is similar to so-called penis enlargement devices.
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:47 AM
May 2014

Guaranteed to make a real bush whacker outta yooo! And as we cry our hearts out they remain dry-eyed as they re-order. And re- load.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
16. Great post!
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:27 AM
May 2014

Thanks for posting this article. It is just another version of the Shock Doctrine, privatizing profits while putting all the costs on the public.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
18. So they market guns to men the way they market nearly everything else to men.
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:41 AM
May 2014

Stunning analysis from anti-gun fear mongers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. Not really. Never saw a car or clothes ad that preys on gunners' fear of the boogeyman and such.
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:53 AM
May 2014

You gotta be a certain kind of individual to fall for this:







LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
20. Remember George Sodini (massacred women in 2009)?
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:54 AM
May 2014

His "motivation" for going on a shooting spree and targeting women was identical to Eliot Rodger's. There is a definite pattern - And there seem to be lots of "men" who are a rampage-in-waiting.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
22. And with the news media
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:05 AM
May 2014

all too willing to publish the public suicide notes they now call manifestos, I expect that a lot of those "men" may find acting on their narcissistic homicidal urges just a little bit harder to resist.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
23. Since the mid 1990's it's been "The Dems are coming to take your guns"
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:11 AM
May 2014

The NRA used the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 to show that the democrats are coming to take your guns so you had better stockpile them. During the ban, gun shows were active selling 'pre-ban' weapons and parts with magazines and clips skyrocketing in cost and popularity. By 2004 when the ban expired, the avid collectors (we'll call them) started grabbing up all the new weapons and accessories. Since 2004, the popularity and availability of the "scary black gun" or assault rifle modeled to the AR15 has gone throw the roof. Handgun collection has gone along with the stockpile mentality of the assault rifle.

Recently there have been shortages and rumors of shortages of guns and more importantly ammunition. So now many of these hoarding gun humpers who had many rifles and handguns have now been trying to secure thousands of rounds.

So the fear from the NRA has made sure that when someone does snap, they've access to lots of guns in the homes of gun collectors as well as possibly thousands of rounds of ammo.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
26. Well, let's face it, there just isn't that much you can do with a gun.
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:14 AM
May 2014

Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
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alp227

(32,020 posts)
45. This is all relevant how?
Tue May 27, 2014, 06:49 PM
May 2014

And regarding state gun laws, had Rodger been committed by a judge, he would have been legally denied a gun. I would say the justice system, not gun laws, failed. Local authorities had their chance to get a search warrant and foil Rodger's plot. Rodger was also in treatment.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
46. The OP title says...
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:38 PM
May 2014

The OP title says "How the Gun Industry Preys on Paranoid, Insecure Men Like Elliot Rodger".

He had no experience with guns, until he decided to murder people, and decided on a gun to do so with. In my view, that negates the entire premise where he is concerned.


"I would say the justice system, not gun laws, failed."


Then this tragedy shouldn't be used to push for more gun laws, right?


alp227

(32,020 posts)
47. So even if Rodger didn't care about gun ads,
Tue May 27, 2014, 07:48 PM
May 2014

do you not deny that the overall thesis of the Alternet article about the tone of gun ads is still reality?

And regarding your last question, I can only hope the local authorities take a long hard look at themselves and take action to prevent another case like this.

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Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
49. Imagine that, selling more products to current customers?
Tue May 27, 2014, 08:34 PM
May 2014

I cannot think of any industries or areas of business that don't do the same thing.

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