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Wed May 28, 2014, 01:23 PM

 

Suppose an outside group wanted to render DU ineffective

As we move towards the 2014 and 2016 elections, what if Republicans or Third-Wayers wanted to neutralize DU as an active, motivated hotbed of FDR Liberalism.

What strategy might they employ?

What should we look out for?

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Reply Suppose an outside group wanted to render DU ineffective (Original post)
MannyGoldstein May 2014 OP
MADem May 2014 #1
MannyGoldstein May 2014 #2
MADem May 2014 #31
sufrommich May 2014 #36
RobertEarl May 2014 #44
Capt. Obvious May 2014 #5
MADem May 2014 #16
onehandle May 2014 #3
Nye Bevan May 2014 #4
PeaceNikki May 2014 #7
MADem May 2014 #22
Whisp May 2014 #97
MADem May 2014 #102
Maedhros May 2014 #35
Armstead May 2014 #38
GeorgeGist May 2014 #6
Lancero May 2014 #8
bettyellen May 2014 #14
Voice for Peace May 2014 #37
bettyellen May 2014 #42
Voice for Peace May 2014 #105
bettyellen May 2014 #106
yallerdawg May 2014 #58
Jamastiene May 2014 #71
yallerdawg May 2014 #75
Jamastiene May 2014 #83
Katashi_itto May 2014 #59
TreasonousBastard May 2014 #9
Ikonoklast May 2014 #88
TreasonousBastard May 2014 #107
Cali_Democrat May 2014 #10
brooklynite May 2014 #18
Cali_Democrat May 2014 #33
bettyellen May 2014 #43
1000words May 2014 #11
Katashi_itto May 2014 #17
Armstead May 2014 #39
1000words May 2014 #64
Jamastiene May 2014 #73
1000words May 2014 #84
Warpy May 2014 #12
bettyellen May 2014 #13
closeupready May 2014 #15
Skidmore May 2014 #19
Lee-Lee May 2014 #20
seabeyond May 2014 #24
octoberlib May 2014 #27
MADem May 2014 #28
Rex May 2014 #113
Starry Messenger May 2014 #21
seabeyond May 2014 #23
Post removed May 2014 #48
seabeyond May 2014 #51
Gormy Cuss May 2014 #72
seabeyond May 2014 #82
BuelahWitch May 2014 #25
Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #26
jberryhill May 2014 #29
gollygee May 2014 #30
aikoaiko May 2014 #32
closeupready May 2014 #62
pa28 May 2014 #34
Skidmore May 2014 #40
BuelahWitch May 2014 #47
Vattel May 2014 #41
blue neen May 2014 #45
Zorra May 2014 #46
bigtree May 2014 #49
FSogol May 2014 #55
msanthrope May 2014 #65
Number23 May 2014 #114
DanM May 2014 #50
closeupready May 2014 #63
defacto7 May 2014 #52
Iggo May 2014 #53
tridim May 2014 #54
zappaman May 2014 #78
TygrBright May 2014 #56
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #57
Squinch May 2014 #60
SidDithers May 2014 #76
likesmountains 52 May 2014 #110
Number23 May 2014 #116
Rex May 2014 #61
Autumn May 2014 #100
Rex May 2014 #112
msanthrope May 2014 #66
bettyellen May 2014 #85
msanthrope May 2014 #103
Number23 May 2014 #117
davidpdx May 2014 #118
msanthrope May 2014 #121
winter is coming May 2014 #67
greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #79
winter is coming May 2014 #80
greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #81
Jamastiene May 2014 #68
yellowcanine May 2014 #69
SidDithers May 2014 #70
whatchamacallit May 2014 #91
Bobbie Jo May 2014 #94
Avalux May 2014 #74
FreakinDJ May 2014 #77
Autumn May 2014 #86
Puglover May 2014 #89
Union Scribe May 2014 #96
applegrove May 2014 #87
spanone May 2014 #90
struggle4progress May 2014 #92
MannyGoldstein May 2014 #95
struggle4progress May 2014 #98
MannyGoldstein May 2014 #109
NuclearDem May 2014 #93
Shandris May 2014 #99
hrmjustin May 2014 #101
nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #104
11 Bravo May 2014 #108
Skip Intro May 2014 #111
Recursion May 2014 #115
davidpdx May 2014 #119
Savannahmann May 2014 #120
Scuba May 2014 #122

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:25 PM

1. Why do you want to know this? And why would anyone offer up a blueprint here?

This is a disruptive topic, IMO.

Like a guard dog, leading the way to the family silver...

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:26 PM

2. What should we be on the lookout for? nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:42 PM

31. You already know, Manny! You already know.

No one here can teach you a thing!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:49 PM

36. You should be on the lookout for over stating

the importance of a relatively small forum like DU because it makes some feel important. Nobody is here diabolically planning to use DU to change the course of history. That's as egotistical as those who believe that their beliefs are so right that surely those who disagree are getting paid to do so.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #36)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:23 PM

44. DU is an agent of change

 

The internet, which DU is a part of has created much change already. To deny it has or to infer that it hasn't, in itself creates suspicion. <grin>

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:26 PM

5. Thank you for your concern

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #5)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:34 PM

16. And thank YOU for yours....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:26 PM

3. They've been here since day one. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:26 PM

4. "Both parties are the same". "No point in voting".

"They're all corporatists, Republicans and Democrats alike". etc.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:28 PM

7. It's rare that I agree with you, but here it is.

The elections are all stolen lines bother me, too. I am in WI and was heavily involved in our infamous Supreme Court recount a few years ago. As such, I am hypersensitive to these.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:37 PM

22. Gee, those sound familiar...

As do "So-and-so isn't progressive enough!" and "Let's spend all our time, money and energy trying to get someone who won't have a prayer to win the nomination on the ballot! You know, just because ... principle and stuff! Yeah--I'm a better progressive than anyone here!!!! Go down swinging!!!"

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:19 PM

97. Scorched Earth is still my favourite.

 

Let everything fail, the automotive industry, wall street, banks, let it all burn down to the ground and we can rebuild into Utopia.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #97)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:42 PM

102. Tear it all down! Fight the power, man!!!

Yes, it's so ... naive!

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:47 PM

35. I don't think that's what the Third Way would do.

 

The Third Way is all about the rah-rah-rah-we're-better-than-THEM because reasons.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:54 PM

38. Oh I think any disruptive effort would be more like....

 

"If you are not 100 percent happy with the state of the nation and the Democratic Party, then just be quiet and sit down. All we want is rah,rah, rah, everything is perfect."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:27 PM

6. What do they always do?

Buy it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:29 PM

8. Spamming up GD with meaningless pets posts for one.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #8)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:32 PM

14. those ducks crossing the street piss me off.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #14)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:53 PM

37. and those annoying baby bears in the dumpster

 

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #37)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:00 PM

42. Link?

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #42)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:49 PM

105. as you can see it's been covered extensively: ladder rescues, momma bear rescues, ranger rescues

 

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #105)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:48 PM

106. LOL, thank you! And I concur they are a threat to democracy!

 

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Response to Lancero (Reply #8)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:06 PM

58. And cats, cats, cats!

Google cat poo and deep-brain parasites -- maybe they can't help themselves.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #58)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:42 PM

71. Toxoplasmosis

It makes mice walk right up to cats like little zombies being controlled by zillions of little diabolical parasites in their brain...because that's what is really happening, in a way.

I'm pretty sure I have it too, because I tend to walk right up to cats too...and pet them...and laugh at their shenanigans. I love shenanigans! I especially love cat shenanigans and kitten shenanigans are like chocolate. I can never get enough.

I'm pretty sure I have it too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #71)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:53 PM

75. I've heard they even created an alternate complete cat Bible!

And attract humans to their biblical cause with repeated use of the word "cheeseburger."

Would we recognize this as an insidious infiltration here at Democratic Underground?

Or are too many infected?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #75)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:02 PM

83. Considering how popular and influential the cat overlords are on DU,

I think it is highly likely the vast majority are already infected. The parasites may even be mutating into a DU variant that is impossible to treat, much less cure. I've never seen a web site or message board so full of people that love cats as much as DU. I think we have a specialized strain of mutated toxoplasmosis on DU.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #8)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:09 PM

59. Yes. The pet posts obviously have destroyed DU as we knew it. Not the fanatics.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:29 PM

9. Ineffective at what?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #9)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:25 PM

88. Ask the next thousand...no, *ten* thousand people if they've ever even heard of DU.

There's your answer.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #88)

Wed May 28, 2014, 07:51 PM

107. Already asked our local Democratic committee...

guess what they said...

BTW, I ran for office last year. A few other DUers did too, and we mentioned it here. A couple of Attaboys for each of us and that was about it. I know there are people living close by but did any offer to help? Didn't see much real support for anyone else either.

(But, one forbidden word or misplaced comma and you'll be famous, sparking a 300 post thread...)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:29 PM

10. They would probably attack a sitting Democratic president as relentlessly as they could. nt

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #10)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:34 PM

18. Also beat up a prospective Presidential nominee and say they'd never vote for him/her....

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:43 PM

33. Yep....and they'd say that they'd rather overturn the election of Obama than the election of Reagan:

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #33)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:17 PM

43. because the supreme court matters more to those SJWs and men care about money more!

 

I learned this at DU.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:30 PM

11. Keep introducing divisive issues and watch us tear each other apart.

 

Same way it's done at the macro-level.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #11)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:34 PM

17. +1000

 

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Response to 1000words (Reply #11)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:55 PM

39. And what would be a divisive issue?

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #39)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:28 PM

64. When DU has meltdowns over pitbulls, Olive Garden etc. ...

 

Just about anything goes. Next week it'll be something entirely new.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #64)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:47 PM

73. I'll never forget the corn flake chicken wars.

I agreed with ZombieWoof about the corn flakes. People who tried that in the south would be forever mocked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x961628

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #73)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:08 PM

84. OMG!

 

I always thought the "corn flake -- chicken" references in the trash word feature were chosen randomly.

DU is a funny place. And yes, ZombieWoof won the thread.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:31 PM

12. Look how women are being treated

On several threads today, the first post was by some patriarch who tried to shut the poster down immediately.

They'll be doing that and more as time goes on.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:31 PM

13. Ratfuckers, and oh yeah... SJWs LOL.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:34 PM

15. While we're all fans, this website is really not that important.

 

Seriously.

On the other hand, when people pay dog walkers thousands of dollar per year, you know that sometimes people who've gotten rich too quick are the same ones who spend it like crazy, on all kinds of fantasy projects. These are the kinds of people who are targeted by get-rich-quick con men, and I wouldn't be half surprised to discover that many of the people who come here to disrupt have convinced Republican internet millionaires to pay them a decent sum to do nothing more than be trolls here.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:34 PM

19. Funny. I've often thought that the most effective way would

be for a group said individuals to come in and start accusing long time members of being anything but liberal and being DLCers and what have you, issue bogus alerts, start arguments, foment discord, and stack juries to get people expelled. But, hey, that's just what crossed my mind many times and who am I to question?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:35 PM

20. Do you really think anyone into issues enough to post on a political forum

 

Would be kept away from voting by anything on it?


What, maybe 1% of registered Democrats post anything at all online about politics and join a forum?

You think anything posted on a forum would discourage the most motivated members of the party?

Far more dangerous are the efforts aimed at the much less informed and active.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #20)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:38 PM

24. bingo. so. i guess, we do not have to be afraid. i agree. nt

 

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #20)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:39 PM

27. /\ THIS /\ nt

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #20)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:40 PM

28. I drive older voters to the polls.

Most of them are reliable voters--they vote in state and local elections, too.

Most of them are NOT online at all, and the ones who are online use it for "email" and grandchildren pictures/videos. A rare few are Brave Skypers.

So your points are very salient.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #20)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:33 AM

113. Yeah that is true, BUT you see DU is very important when it fits the narrative

 

and non existent when it doesn't. Old fight really, I think most of the big persona's post here to get on each others nerves. TO get a reply that they wanted. And yes, most of it negative.

I think this place motivates a small majority of people that are politically active, which sadly is a very small amount of the American population.

At least some people on DU are politically active, far better then the standard American that forgets to vote.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:35 PM

21. They'd let in a bunch of right-wing racist and sexist trolls

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:37 PM

23. creatively clever ways telling women to shut up, by suggesting it is outside forces.....

 

trying to stop du dems from talking about the issue that scares them so???

oh manny. so predictable.

as a multi tasking woman, i so know we will be able to recognize, and handle more than one issue at a time. and well focused. that i am sure.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #48)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:48 PM

51. ah. ya see. chooky the thing? start with a nasty "vicitm" insult and i am done reading.

 

what a waste of your trolling time.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #51)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:47 PM

72. Two of seven jurors thought we should just engage the bigot.

I LOVE the jury system!!11!!

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #72)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:01 PM

82. truly,

 

i am surprised as shit my post wasnt hid for actually using the word troll.

wonders never end

ah. to be fair. i get away with as much as i get pinned on. it is all on who is sittin on the jury. the right people, it could be a nothing post and it gets a hide.

thanks gormy.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:38 PM

25. 1.Hi-jack liberal leaning threads by making detrimental assertions about the OP

2. Whine that liberals aren't electable

3. Demand "Our way or the highway"

4. Stalk and alert on liberal posters for stupid reasons to try and silence them.

5. Yell "She (He) isn't running!" in discussions about possible liberal candidates.

All I can think of at the moment.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:39 PM

26. Misogyny, Benghazi!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:40 PM

29. They would sow suspicions among DUers

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:41 PM

30. Set up a dichotomy between "Democrats" and "REAL Democrats"

and then bitch and moan as often as possible about Democratic leaders.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:42 PM

32. First identify the concern trolls on this issue.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #32)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:22 PM

62. Umm, see, I'm concerned about your reaction here.

 

Highly.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:43 PM

34. We already know interest groups hire trolls to populate key discussion groups.

The kinds of strategies they employ are not a secret either.

The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/22/1112509/-The-Gentleperson-s-Guide-to-Forum-Spies

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.


Lots more at the link. Many of them seem vaguely familiar.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #34)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:55 PM

40. Wow! Thanks for that link.

Bookmarked.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #34)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:34 PM

47. Thank you! n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:58 PM

41. Relentless smearing of anyone who opposes them or their agenda or their candidates.

 

Other posters then waste time and energy answering the smears. I know I waste a lot of time pointing out smears. It is such low and despicable behavior that it is hard not to respond to it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:27 PM

45. What a comical post!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:30 PM

46. Using propaganda techniques for one thing.

Recognizing Propaganda Techniques and Errors of Faulty Logic

Propaganda and Debating Techniques

The main similarity between Republican and Third Way conservative trolls. IMO, is that they both support laissez faire capitalism. They might not express this directly, but sometimes it's what someone never says that reveals their agenda. But this does not mean Third Way/Republican trolls won't bald faced lie about their real beliefs if it becomes necessary.

The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political, and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers....

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/ezln/1997/jigsaw.html


Corporatists will slowly try to move the Democratic party to the right, knowing that naive Dems won't even notice how far right we've moved.

"Democrats moving to the middle is a double disaster that alienates the party's progressive base while simultaneously sending a message to swing voters that the other side is where the good ideas are.' It unconsciously locks in the notion that the other side's positions are worth moving toward, while your side's positions are the ones to move away from. Plus every time you move to the center, the right just moves further to the right." ~ George Lakoff


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:39 PM

49. they might start by rhetorically separating Dems into fictional, contrived groups

like labeling those they disagree with as 'third way' . . . and using their republican-originated wedge politics to divide or suppress our Democratic vote in November.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #49)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:02 PM

55. Or picking a candidate that isn't running and promote them as the only pure choice...

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Response to FSogol (Reply #55)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:30 PM

65. Same gender or race non-candidate of the front runner, to be most effective. nt

 

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Response to FSogol (Reply #55)

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:36 AM

114. Nailed it. But not before creating a non-existent "schism" between the candidate that isn't running

and other party leaders.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:47 PM

50. DU is effective?

 

If that reply title got yer britches in a wad, hold on. Let me explain. I use and love DU for many reasons. But let's be honest and not kid ourselves . . . DU is not effective in the sense I and most others read the OP. Politically. It's frustrating, but it's just not.

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Response to DanM (Reply #50)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:24 PM

63. +1. That may sadden some, but while it's fun to come here and

 

talk amongst likeminded Democrats and liberals, it's just a glorified chat room.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:50 PM

52. Divide and conquer. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:53 PM

53. I made up this new thing called "Divide and Conquer."

Send me a SASE and I'll send you my newsletter.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:59 PM

54. Look out for people who use PR buzzwords like "third wayers" in an attempt to divide Democrats. nt

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Response to tridim (Reply #54)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:55 PM

78. +100 n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:03 PM

56. Other than "provoking discussion and raising blood pressure" what is...

...DU currently "effective" at?

And if DU is genuinely effective at something that has real importance in the process of citizen participation in the self-governance of a democratic republic, it would almost by definition have to be related to "discussion," since that is what we do, here.

In such case, the answer to your question might lie in looking at ways to either shut down the website by making it economically non-viable for the owners, or in shutting down discussion altogether, by...

...what?

Mass resignations?

Outrage, controversy and disagreement do not shut down discussion, they provoke more of it.

The quality, of course, degrades greatly.

We are always walking that line, and seem to have successfully managed to negotiate it in 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2012.

What has changed that might make it less negotiable in 2014 and 2016?

curiously,
Bright

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:06 PM

57. Render it into just another arm of the Democratic Party.

 

Made up of Politics as Usual Yes Men.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:12 PM

60. You.

Or at least multiple thinly veiled posts making fun of the concerns and positions of large swaths of Democratic voters.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #60)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:54 PM

76. +1...nt

Sid

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Response to Squinch (Reply #60)

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:37 PM

110. Yup, you got that right.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #60)

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:38 AM

116. You didn't just win this thread, you won this forum.



Sorry for such crappy prizes.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:19 PM

61. We see it almost daily. Thankfully they are just pests at this point.

 

Third-Wayers/Repukes that pretend DU is an anti-Obama/anti-democratic website and complain that this place blows chunks compared to what it was, ie they try their best to persuade new DUers to take a hike. They love to hate this place and the people that post here...yet somehow are the MOSTEST liberal, dem etc.. really funny watching them fake it.

Of course there is nothing wrong with DU, but you wouldn't know that according to the handful of people that love to hate this place.

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Response to Rex (Reply #61)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:37 PM

100. So true Rex, and I find it so funny that

the ones that really hate this place and always talk about how DU is nothing are always on MIRT and hosting. I made a comment once, I think my first term in MIRT about how I always come to DU to learn the truth about anything big that is going on and she says you won't learn the truth here. I was like

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Response to Autumn (Reply #100)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:27 AM

112. Yeah I've never seen this place not have great news in LBN or great topics in GD.

 

These huge wars and lists of people that shouldn't be here were beyond ridiculous and thankfully didn't run too many people off. You can learn a huge amount here if you pay attention. The rest is drama between warring factions that forgot why they hated each other back on DU2 or DU1.

I want the news, I get it from this site now. Bartcop RHS, is no more and Mike Malloy looks like he is really tired of talking about political bullshit.

Got to come here to get the objective view, with lots of people chiming in, it really makes information easier to believe or dismiss. I don't care how many people boo hoo this place. They can now go play with the Repukes on the new forum, the admins gave them a new place to hone their never ending fighting skills.

We can stay here and share information.





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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:31 PM

66. Relentlessly push disaffected/Libertarian white, overprivileged males as the example we should

 

all follow.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #66)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:14 PM

85. OUCH, that's going to hurt someone's outsized sense of entitlement...

 

As well it should!

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #85)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:43 PM

103. I hope it does. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #66)

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:41 AM

117. DAYUM!!! This thread is now officially bookmarkable.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #117)

Thu May 29, 2014, 05:32 AM

118. The video you posted makes it bookmarkable

Ledger at his best....

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Response to Number23 (Reply #117)

Thu May 29, 2014, 05:45 AM

121. Many thanks! nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:31 PM

67. DU's effective?

How did that happen? When did that happen?

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #67)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:56 PM

79. Damnit to hell!

You stole my line.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #79)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:57 PM

80. I'm sure you'll come up with something even better. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #80)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:59 PM

81. That was it!

It's a good line, though, and the truth.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:38 PM

68. I'm not so sure this is a good idea.

Think about it. If anyone comes up with an idea that would actually work, I wouldn't put it past an outside group to actually do it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:42 PM

69. Can't answer the question - all the more reason to: DEPLOY THE TINFOIL HATS NOW!

Better safe than sorry.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:42 PM

70. They would pretend to be liberals...

and do nothing but attack Democrats "from the left".

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #70)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:42 PM

91. Or they might pretend to be liberals

and do nothing but attack the left. Or they might even pretend to be Americans.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #70)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:12 PM

94. Oh....you Better Believe It! *

*Actual disruptor and "respected DU'er."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:47 PM

74. They've tried many, many times before Manny. You've been here long enough to know that.

I remember trolls who posted on DU for years, pretending to be progressive, then when the time was right, they would go nuts. The most insidious are those who are clever enough to not really violate the rules; very passive aggressive.

There are also paid operatives who show up here with an agenda, but those are usually fettered out eventually.

DU is actually fairly good at self-regulating.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:55 PM

77. They already did

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:15 PM

86. Someone who goes around trashing Democrats like this,

"Anybody who says they will not vote for the democratic nominee, regardless of whom that nominee eventually is, is a total and complete fucking moron."


that would be my guess people like that are here to piss people off, nothing else.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #86)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:38 PM

89. Yup.

One of my favorite newbs.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #86)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:17 PM

96. Yeah I hope that guy isn't phone-banking for us

I can just imagine the pleasant impression that would leave on the voters.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:16 PM

87. Wars breaking out on issues that were previously mostly sane discussions at the DU. People

being generalized about. Not adult debate.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:41 PM

90. paranoia strikes deep....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:02 PM

92. Try this the Sunday before the election and let us know if it works:

Shave head and duck-tape lava lamp to it. Dangle American flag speedo from lamp. Strip naked, smear self with Crisco, then wrap body with clinging plastic wrap. Borrow long ladder and lights from local hardware store. Climb onto police station roof with loud boom box and use lights to signal aliens that it is safe to land. When anyone asks questions, explain how second amendment protects freedom of religion

There should be hundreds of DU posts about the story by Monday afternoon, and the noise won't die down until Thursday or Friday

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #92)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:15 PM

95. Where should I plug in?

 

Need power, no?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #95)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:28 PM

98. If the station doesn't have an outdoor socket, a nearby place probably does

Otherwise just get help from the desk sargeant

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #98)

Wed May 28, 2014, 08:14 PM

109. I'm working on powering small electronics with my mind rays

 

Perchance, do you know where could I procure a tiny, low-power lava lamp?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:04 PM

93. They could try stealing all our tinfoil.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:32 PM

99. It's obvious. They'd start by turning everyone against each other, as many other...

 

...people have said.

But they wouldn't do it by introducing discussions that are divisive. They do it by going into various threads and trying to whip up sentiment against 'trolls'. Once everyone is concerned that there are 'trolls' everywhere, then anything you don't like -becomes- a troll. Then people begin to automatically discount what others say and use guilt by association as the predominant method of 'outing' 'trolls'.

At that point, there's no need for them to do anything. The illusion of the troll has become more powerful than any given troll themselves.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:40 PM

101. We at Mirt do our best to get rid of the new trolls that clog up the system.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:44 PM

104. Suppose an outside group has been at this since almost day one

 

...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 07:55 PM

108. I'd watch for threads about Benghogyny or Misghazi! Dead giveaways, both of 'em!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 09:10 PM

111. DU hall-monitors have done more harm to DU than any stealth effort.

The ridicule of anyone with a differing opinion.

The smearing of anyone with a differing opinion.

I've seen admin here let a few things be known to those would-be authoritarians. I honestly don't think its DU's fault, however, for the lack of "active, motivated hotbed(ness)." Not entirely, at least. There is and has been little forthcoming about which to be motivated. Imho.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:37 AM

115. What if "real progressives" wanted to? (nt)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 05:36 AM

119. It's already happening, it's been happening and you just haven't noticed it

Slowly a new breed of members have been infesting DU, gaining trust and respect. Waiting, waiting for the moment to pounce. We are watching you, we know who you are and what you believe in. When the time comes we will be the disruptor of disruptors....


















Oh damn, I outted myself. For fucksakes.............

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 05:42 AM

120. That presupposes that DU is effective

 

Despite a majority of us objecting to Drone Strikes, we've had no impact.

Despite a majority of us objecting to NSA/FBI/CIA/DHS/GCHQ surveillance, we've had no impact.

Despite a majority of us being in favor of Single Payer, we've had no impact.

Despite a majority of us opposing big corporations being in bed with Government, we've had no impact in that either.

In short, I see DU as a place where (generally speaking) like minded people can meet and discuss issues. We are already inundated with plenty of people who defend the indefensible, and if those groups came to somehow diminish DU they would have to get in line behind those who have been singing that song for a while.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 10:15 AM

122. They would post over and over and over again that Elizabeth Warren is NOT running for President.

 

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