*********The Official "It's Not About Meeeee" Snowden Interview Live Thread*************

[msanthrope]

Crap....guess I gotta go find the remote.....


Can't find a live stream for it--for the SOTU, there's CNN....

[msanthrope]

1. Turn on NBC--some dude is trying to twerk and be funny. What the Fuck?? nt

[msanthrope]

2. Okay--it's another show. Sadly, the remote was under my dog's ass. This made a change, however,

because it's usually under the cat's ass.

[msanthrope]

3. For my SOTU live blog, I highlight the incoming Senators, House Members, SCOTUS, etc.....

Here, I note that Roseanne Barr is apparently back on television, judging something. Looking good.

[msanthrope]

4. For my SOTU Live blog, I also usually do the response....this was Marco Rubio....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022363111

[msanthrope]

5. Excellent thread on the financial connections between Greenwald and NBC News---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025015400

[msanthrope]

6. Oooohhhhh...commercial for NBC John Malkovich show. Looks Good. nt

[msanthrope]

7. Brian Williams has taken on the color of John Boehner..... nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

8. OMG. Someone dyed him orange???

[msanthrope]

10. It might be the lighting. nt

[msanthrope]

9. Williams opens "Snowden came armed with talking points." nt

[randome]

11. In other words, Williams wasn't allowed to ask really hard questions, I bet.

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[msanthrope]

20. Well, the media deal that Greenwald and NBC have may preclude any "surprises." Follow the money! nt

[Cha]

175. GG on Brian Williams .. "NBC News’ top hagiographer" by Glenn Greenwald/Fucking Hypocrite

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When GG goes on a tear about journalists like this, http://www.salon.com/2012/05/03/nbc_news_top_hagiographer/ …, keep in mind he drops it ALL when there's money on the table.

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Notice that suddenly Glenn Greenwald isn't calling Brian Williams a "drooling subservient shill" any more.

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[msanthrope]

183. Shit Charles Johnson nailed him dead on.....nt

[msanthrope]

12. Snowden opens with challenge that government must show that he did harm.

[msanthrope]

13. Snowden cannot meet the eyes of Williams, constantly looking down to the left. nt

[berni_mccoy]

18. Noticed that too.

[Whisp]

32. That is a sure tell.

I have my certificate in body language from watching the Lie To Me tv series. Excellent show. For the first 8 or so episodes for that is where you get introduced to the science and it's fascinating.

[msanthrope]

36. He's got a panoply of tics and tells--very carefully edited out by Poitras, but note that every

single time he claims a new accomplishment, it starts back up.

[Whisp]

45. well now I'm feeling sorry and scared for the idiot.

Is he feeling the pressure/threats from Putin, from Greenwald, from the U.S.? From all of them?

Maybe he's not a spy after all, maybe he's the patsy some thought he was. And Mr. $$Greenwads$$ is cashing in big time while Snowden is collecting nervous tics.

Whooo!

[msanthrope]

14. Williams points out that Snowden's passport WAS PULLED before he got on the plane to Russia. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

16. No proof of that offered. nt

[randome]

19. Did Snowden dispute?

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[ChisolmTrailDem]

25. Actually, my phone rang right as Williams said that. msanthrope? nt

[msanthrope]

29. Nope...nt

[lostincalifornia]

33. When the classified information was released, that is exactly what happened. A very stupid thing to

release the information before he got to the country where he wanted to be

[MADem]

192. The Chinese did not acknowledge the "pull."

They played the "problem with the paperwork" game--it that "James" or "Joseph" as the middle name? Let's dither while he gets his ticket, goes through security, and gets on the plane! Ooops! Too late!

They wanted Snowden OUTTA THERE. They didn't want the problem. They didn't want him arrested in Hong Kong, they wanted to maintain the Great Fiction that Hong Kong is an enclave that gives a shit about "rights" in contrast to China (Big Lie--when Beijing says JUMP, Hong Kong says HOW HIGH?).

They pushed him off on Putin, and Putin, having hosted Snowden at the Russian consulate in Hong Kong, was "ready to receive." For all we know, China and Russia worked a deal to make sure that China had trouble processing the US request, so Snowden would fall right into Putin's loving embrace.

[msanthrope]

15. Snowden now disclaiming that he ever had contacts in Russia....took nothing to Russia....Claims

he has no control over the documents anymore.....

SO he gave it all away?????

[berni_mccoy]

21. Must have given it to China before he left for Russia...

[Bobbie Jo]

22. He "handed them off."

[randome]

23. Who are you going to trust?

A spy agency that is forbidden by law from spying on Americans or multinational media corporations?
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[Number23]

177. "Snowden stayed at Russian consulate while in Hong Kong"

Before American fugitive Edward Snowden arrived in Moscow in June — an arrival that Russian officials have said caught them by surprise — he spent several days living at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong, a Moscow newspaper reported Monday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/report-snowden-stayed-at-russian-consulate-while-in-hong-kong/2013/08/26/8237cf9a-0e39-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html

He was saying?

[msanthrope]

184. Right--no contacts, but has an FSB lawyer awaiting his arrival. Absolute liar......nt

[UTUSN]

17. Bottom line: Once he MADE THE POINT, why continue. n/t

[msanthrope]

24. Snowden now tells us what he is---"trained as a spy!" nt

[msanthrope]

26. The "totality of my experience."--worked undercover for CIA, worked as a lecturer. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

37. Obama said he was a low-level administrator, a "hacker". Why did the president down-play

Snowden's qualifications?

[msanthrope]

39. Have you noted that Snowden hasn't provided a scrap of proof? nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

55. Yes, I have. But people usually do not come to interviews with material to backup their

answers to an interviewers questions, yet most of the time we take them at their word anyway.

[randome]

41. Why would anyone automatically believe a guy hiding in Russia?

A guy who said in Hong Kong that he was not there to hide from justice? Snowden's credibility was shot to hell with that one remark, IMO.
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[ChisolmTrailDem]

47. Snowden didn't say the president called him a low-level hacker. The president said that. nt

[randome]

59. I know. I believe the President more than I do Snowden.

The fact that all Snowden could steal were SharePoint documents proves he didn't have much access at all.
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[ChisolmTrailDem]

63. EDITED: Neither side is offering any proof of their claims, but I tend to put more faith in the

president.

However, Sec. Kerry was livid because he says Snowden's "betrayal" caused immeasurable damage to U.S. interests.

Did low-level power points cause immeasurable damage to U.S. interests?

[msanthrope]

27. He claims he was outside the NSA on 9.11......nt

[Whisp]

28. Anyone find a live stream yet?

[m-lekktor]

43. here

http://ufreetv.com/nbc.html

[Whisp]

51. Thanks!

[msanthrope]

30. US should not be a "security state." So of course, he joined the CIA. nt

[randome]

35. Where else would he get the opportunity to shoot leakers in the balls?

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[msanthrope]

31. Claiming Special Forces now....nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

34. Snowden was still talking when he was cut off by commercial break. What did he go

on to say? Will they tell us? Or, are they selectively editing this interview to their own agenda?

[msanthrope]

38. NBC News and Greenwald have a financial deal, detailed above. I'm sure Snowden will do just fine.

Lots of claims.....and no proof offered.

Discharge papers???

[msanthrope]

40. Williams holds an IPhone---what can be done with it???? Snowden claims

that any surveillance agency, any country, can do anything with these phones.....targeted, however.

[berni_mccoy]

44. Unlikely. The owner would have to allow it.

That's what Snowden meant by targeted. They would have to trick the target into installing a provisioning profile on the phone.

[msanthrope]

42. Claims all these things can be done---but gives no proof. nt

[Jamaal510]

171. Today's show sounds like a true circus. nt

[msanthrope]

46. Then details what can happen to you if you turn your phone on---you should be AFRAID that someone

will use your googles against you....

[msanthrope]

48. Computer programs can get inside your thought process!!! Be afraid!!! nt

[randome]

57. And never, ever specifies whether this is being used against illegitimate targets.

The 'dirtiness' of the targeting. 'Lack of respect' for targeted suspects! Oh, God, this is...stranger than I would have thought.
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[msanthrope]

64. Note, he hasn't once claimed to have illegally targeted anyone. Who did he illegally target that

he's having the fits over?????

[UTUSN]

49. "Are you with someone who is not your wife" - is what SNOWjob is shocked by. nt

[msanthrope]

56. Exactly.....nt

[Whisp]

60. Where are those copies of those emails to NSA authorities, Snowden?

[UTUSN]

65. Since he's a trained spy, in the traditional sense, what's the prob with sex v. spy

[msanthrope]

67. He wants Congress to get them. You'd think he might have taken copies with him....or the

girlfriend, or his Mom might have them.

[Bobbie Jo]

50. Thought forms

[msanthrope]

52. He's now decrying how "dirty" the targeting is. Talking about "respect." nt

[ucrdem]

53. Exec summary: it's all legal but you still should be very afraid.

Thanks for helping out the GOP yet again NBC.

[msanthrope]

54. Claims he went through channels....claims there's emails. Of course...he kept no copies. nt

[msanthrope]

58. Claims he "reported" things.....but has no copies, and filed no actual whistleblower complaints. nt

[msanthrope]

61. NBC claims there might be one email to the Office of General Counsel. But Snowden kept no copies. n

[ucrdem]

62. "What happens to people who stand up etc."

Let's see, nothing?

[Bobbie Jo]

66. And he didn't retain a copy??

He can read your thought forms, but can't smuggle a freaking email over something of this magnitude?

[msanthrope]

68. Exactly--he forgot to take the evidence that he was a whistleblower.....now,

understand this is after talking to a lawyer, Greenwald.

[msanthrope]

69. So--he takes a position to steal documents.....but forgets to steal evidence of whistleblowing. nt

[msanthrope]

70. Snowden claims he didn't take info that would cause lives to be at risk....but didn't read

them all...

[randome]

71. He refuses to answer when he decided to steal documents.

Why?
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[msanthrope]

73. More espionage charges. nt

[msanthrope]

72. Now Greenwald is sitting in--nt

[msanthrope]

74. Snowden wants others to read what he stole, and take responsibility for harm. nt

[Whisp]

75. If someone came to your house/work and copied your computer files

onto a thumb drive when you weren't there, - how would you know what exactly they took?

[msanthrope]

76. Williams discloses financial relationship with Greenwald. nt

[ucrdem]

77. Tell us what you turned over to Xi, Eddie.

We've seen the Verizon warrant and the Powerpoints and weren't impressed.

[msanthrope]

78. SNOWDEN does NOT DENY turning over military secrets--merely promises they won't be published.....

OH SHIT.......Williams just knifed him in the back.....

[randome]

79. Yeah, that stood out to me, too.

As did the acknowledgement of NBC's relationship with Greenwald.
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[msanthrope]

82. That is the money shot--it means NBC News and other organizations were given military secrets and

Snowden, in his arrogance, thinks he can protect them.

[msanthrope]

80. Brian Williams ended the segment with the kinfe to Snowden---noting that military secrets were

handed over, but Snowden thinks they won't be published.....

Why? because Snowden made journalists sign an agreement.


S

[greatauntoftriplets]

81. ....

[randome]

84. Is that like an oath? Or a non-disclosure agreement?

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[msanthrope]

94. 10 fuckin' tons of irony should hit that twit....nt

[berni_mccoy]

86. Snowden: "they won't be published" -- doesn't mean he won't sell them to highest bidder...

[msanthrope]

90. Or someone who has them now won't have them stolen, sold, etc......nt

[Whisp]

97. He said he gave everything to the journalists...

so Greenwald, etc., promised not to publish, is that what Snowden means?

Didn't Greenwald threaten to bring America to 'to it's knees' a way back? Does that sound like a trustworthy person that keeps promises?

[msanthrope]

83. "I'm not going to walk into a jail cell." nt

[msanthrope]

85. He claims he has special charges laid against him...that's why he doesn't have to face the law. nt

[msanthrope]

87. He can't stand trial because he will be hampered by the law. nt

[msanthrope]

88. Claiming "civil disobedience" but without going to jail. nt

[msanthrope]

89. "I'm still working for the government." nt

[berni_mccoy]

92. He just didn't say which government (Russian)

[ucrdem]

91. Now he's Henry Thoreau

And Gandhi, and MLK, and of course JC. . . .

[msanthrope]

93. Yeah--but unlike them, prison is too good for him. He isn't doing us any good by being in a jail

cell.

[ucrdem]

95. Excellent point.

Civil disbodience the RW spook way, no muss no fuss.

[msanthrope]

96. "Circumstances trapped me here!" Oh for Christ sake....he just started watching The Wire. nt

[msanthrope]

98. "Rights are being challenged" in Russia. nt

[ucrdem]

99. Now he wants to talk tee-vee.

And if you'll excuse him it's time for his favorite show to start . .

[ucrdem]

103. Being a patriot means knowing when to pull the plug on entitlements.

Paraphrasing.

[msanthrope]

100. He's limited about advocating for rights in Russia because he doesn't speak Russian....nt

[msanthrope]

101. He sees himself as a "Patriot." nt

[ucrdem]

106. Which doesn't mean supporting programs. Except defense programs. nt

[msanthrope]

102. How is he serving his government? He's been so careful with his releases.....nt

[randome]

104. "The most trusted journalistic institutions in America."

Oh, God, make it stop!
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[msanthrope]

107. Holy shit.....I was laughing my ass off at that, too.....nt

[msanthrope]

105. OMG--"people have unfairly demonized the NSA!" Make up your mind, Eddie. nt

[AnnieBW]

116. Ummm.... like HIM?

What a douche.

[randome]

108. Of all the things he misses, he never mentions his girlfriend, who said she was devastated.

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[msanthrope]

109. Girlfriend may have dumped him. nt

[ucrdem]

110. What I'm saying is, it's not the NSA, it's that [indistinct] in the White House

[msanthrope]

113. EXACTLY.....that came through, loud and clear. nt

[merrily]

111. Snowden's motives are irrelevant to me. This is between the USG and those who vote and pay for them

IOW, it's about us.

[SidDithers]

112. DU rec...

nice job on the thread.

Sid

[ProSense]

114. The person

who advised him to do this interview should have to pay his legal fees.

Geez, what a train wreck.

[AnnieBW]

115. Yeah, he's a real Jason Bourne...

Snowjob, you're a low-level sysadmin who happened to work one assignment overseas. You're not a hero. You're a twit.

[Whisp]

117. Thanks for making this thread. Verrrrry interesting. n/t

[msanthrope]

119. Now listening to the Ambassdor skewing Snowden's lies on the live stream....

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/join-brian-williams-live-reaction-analysis-snowden-interview-n116871

[Whisp]

123. Mitchell dissing Kerry and cuddling Snowden.

[msanthrope]

125. But then turned around and noted that Snowden is "radicalized." nt

[msanthrope]

131. Mitchell just knifed him, though....says possible letter he sent would have been April 2013.....

Which means that he sent his letter after he met with Greenwald and after he went to BAH to steal.....


so....it's ass-covering.

[randome]

135. Maybe Greenwald suggested he send that letter.

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[MohRokTah]

140. This is getting dangerously close to implicating Greenwald.

Could Greenwald really be stupid enough to have colluded with Snowden before the fact? I just don't see him being that completely idiotic in order to get a story.

[msanthrope]

185. Oh no--Glenn is that stupid----if you look at the case he defended

Matt Hale in, Greenwald acted so stupidly that I would unreservedly call it malpractice.

[msanthrope]

153. Well, if he did, that was amazingly stupid advice. nt

[msanthrope]

118. Now listening to the Ambassador ---who is skewing him over the passport bullshit

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/join-brian-williams-live-reaction-analysis-snowden-interview-n116871

[msanthrope]

120. Former ambassador notes that Snowden is not "stuck" in Russia--Russia is a sovereign nation, could

have absolutely given him travel documents....

Also, Snowden's lawyer is FSB...so claiming that he has no contacts with the government in Russia is a LIE....

[MADem]

190. Russia could give him citizenship if they'd like. They did it with Gerard Depardieu, after all.

And GD didn't have to wait five years, or take a test, or anything. Pootie liked him, so they made him up a nice passport, complete with one of his film "head shots" as the photograph.

They could do the very same for Snowden.

And then, he could go anywhere on his Russian passport.

[msanthrope]

121. NOTE--the live stream continues, with snowden being SKEWERED by American Ambassador.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/join-brian-williams-live-reaction-analysis-snowden-interview-n116871

[ecstatic]

122. I'm late to the party but the title "Inside the mind of Edward Snowden"

kind of implies that Snowden might be crazy. About to start watching now...

[msanthrope]

124. Andrea Mitchell "He seems to have been radicalized." LIVE STREAM>>>>

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/join-brian-williams-live-reaction-analysis-snowden-interview-n116871

[elias49]

134. Good grief...Andrea, go away!

[msanthrope]

126. "Snowden is naive and mistaken" about the harm he is caused, and is naive about

the unregulated and uncontrolled.....

Michael Leiter........

[whatchamacallit]

127. "SNOOOWDENNNNN!!!"

[randome]

130. Jesus fuck, if anything deserves a trigger warning...

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[whatchamacallit]

132. Haha sorry

[msanthrope]

128. Mitchell just revealed something interesting-Snowden claims to have sent a letter in APRIL 2013---

but he had already met with Greenwald, already taken job at BAH....

So what it sounds like this letter is "ass covering!"

[Whisp]

129. Snowden went to Hawaii to intentionally leak

Then why did he send those emails to the NSA?

Don't not fit, as so many things in this saga that don't make sense.

[msanthrope]

133. Look at the time--he sent the letter Mitchell is talking about in April 2013....after he stole. nt

[elias49]

137. I know...it's almost 11:30 and you're still at it!

[msanthrope]

143. NBC is still showing the Snowden interview online.....nt

[MohRokTah]

136. Damn, missed the meltdown because I'm watching the Hawks/Kings game

Sounds like Snowden really fucked this up.

[elias49]

138. How so?

Stick with basketball...it's really American.

[MohRokTah]

142. Can tell you're a real sports fan.

REading the comments here.

BTW, this is hockey. Double overtime. Stanley cup playoffs.

[elias49]

144. Cool.

No, I'm not a sports fan.

[MohRokTah]

145. Your sarcasm detector is broken, too. eom

[msanthrope]

146. Well...he did show his ass in a pretty meaningful way.

He admitted to criminal activity.

[MohRokTah]

149. That was pretty damned stupid since the interview can be used against him in a court.

HE has to know Putin will be finished with him one day and will revoke his temporary sanctuary, right?

I mean a super secret double naught spy like Snowden isn't going to miss that guaranteed eventuality, right?

[msanthrope]

162. That interview is a goldmine for a prosecutor. nt

[msanthrope]

139. Ambassador outlining damage to US--

Damage to bilateral relations.

Information given to enemies...

Ambassador notes that Russian human rights dialogue ENDED because of Snowden's presence in Russia---he was used in propaganda.

How does releasing capabilities help us.

[msanthrope]

141. OMG--now Snowden is talking like an idiot about the 4th amendment----

it's friggen hysterical.

Oh Eddie.....go finish high school before you opine on the Constitution!!!

[JI7]

147. not watching it but from i read he sounds like a fucking idiot

[ProSense]

155. LOL!

Like I said, train wreck.

Everything he hyped was BS. He basically gave an interview that stepped all over his talking points.

[msanthrope]

172. Well....he sounds like a person who has read a few books. And that impresses others

that have read a few books....

For example, his dissertation on the 4th amendment was cringingly stupid. But it 'sounded' smart...you know what I mean? Then Michael Leiter destroyed his analysis....

[msanthrope]

148. Michael Leiter, Breyer's former clerk, is ABSOLUTELY SKEWERING Snowden's 4th amendment claims as

completely unfounded in legal reasoning and fact.....

Snowden is wrong on facts and law.

[msanthrope]

150. Snowden could not provide NBC News with any examples of wrongdoing!!!! No actual

examples of overreach when asked.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/join-brian-williams-live-reaction-analysis-snowden-interview-n116871

[Number23]

178. Really? Wow!

[msanthrope]

182. No--apparently he forgot to steal proof. nt

[Number23]

189. !!

[randome]

151. "He confuses the capability of the NSA with what they're actually doing."

And he never had evidence to back up his fears. Excellent points.
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[msanthrope]

154. NBC news is noting that he hasn't provided any actual "proof." nt

[msanthrope]

152. Williams notes long breaks, loss of train of thought, aphorisms, loss of eye contact in interview

process.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

158. I"ve been trying to watch the aftershow ever since it started but it's frozen :( nt

[randome]

163. I saw about 10 minutes of it before it froze for me, too.

I refreshed the page but still nothing.
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[ChisolmTrailDem]

164. Can't believe traffic is bad enough to jam it...

[msanthrope]

166. Just froze for me....nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

169. Well, Big Giant Head said it would be available afterwards. Guess I'll have to watch it later. nt

[MohRokTah]

156. So when will the GG Twit fit over this interview start?

I just checked and I do believe he thinks Snowden nailed it because he hasn't tweeted a thing yet.

[msanthrope]

167. It's entirely possible that Glenn may not realize Eddie fucked up--remember the Putin

interview crap???

[msanthrope]

157. So now Snowden is explaining how we should allocate defense funding....to another agency. nt

[msanthrope]

159. Pete Williams just debunked Snowden's inane point on the Boston bombings.....nt

[ecstatic]

160. Edward comes across as extremely arrogant (or narcissistic?)

It's almost like he's putting on an act. Even Glenn comes across better than him.

[msanthrope]

165. He was very well-prepared. I have no doubt his FSB lawyer made sure he was. nt

[msanthrope]

161. Pete Williams notes neither Greenwald or Snowden have shown us how the programs are illegal. nt

[dgauss]

168. Great, let's have more of it, it works for my agenda!

ffs this is a depressing thread.

[msanthrope]

170. Goodnight alll---live feed froze for me, and I am tired. nt

[ucrdem]

173. This was fun.

Good night!

[Bobbie Jo]

174. Nicely done, msanthrope.

[msanthrope]

181. Thanks!! nt

[MisterP]

176. what the hell are you gonna do January 2017; ask yourselves that

[stevenleser]

187. Celebrate Hillary's inauguration? nt

[msanthrope]

188. Going to my third Clinton Inaugural??? nt

[Cha]

179. Mr "It's Not About Mememememememe" Full of Holes Snowden who

keeps putting his narcissistic face out there for the suckers who eat up every word without question.

[Skidmore]

180. Thanks for following this and posting, all.

My allergy medicine got the best of me yesterday evening so I crashed early.

[ProSense]

186. 3 Reasons To Doubt Snowden's Claim That He 'Has No Relationship With The Russian Government At All'

3 Reasons To Doubt Snowden's Claim That He 'Has No Relationship With The Russian Government At All'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025017483

[L0oniX]

191. Holy fucking self kick Batman!