Thu May 29, 2014, 01:15 PM

Goldstein: Kerry should "man up" and quit government

for his vote on the Iraq War.

Kerry: Snowden should 'man up' and return to U.S.

Which will cause more suffering? That damned war or Ed Snowden's disclosures?

(Even better, Kerry should "person up" up and quit. What's with the "man up"? Women aren't capable of whatever it is that Kerry seeks?)

62 replies	Author	Time	Post
Goldstein: Kerry should "man up" and quit government (Original post)	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	OP
Did you vote for Kerry in 2004?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#1
Yes.	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#3
Yeah but if he should quit because of the Iraq war why did you vote for him?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#4
Would you rather have a hand amputated, or a finger amputated?	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#6
No I prefer to keep my limbs and digits.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#8
I think I did. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#13
Then why is his iraq war vote held against him now but not then?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#15
Hey How About Those Mets? n/t	HangOnKids	May 2014	#16
They suck as usual.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#18
Ahh too bad	HangOnKids	May 2014	#20
I was raised on the Mets.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#22
Oh don't be too sure they will go all the way	HangOnKids	May 2014	#24
Time will tell.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#26
I've held it against him since it happened.	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#19
Then why was it ok for him to be president then but not ok for him to be SOS now?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#21
My choice was Kerry or Bush.	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#27
My point is it seems odd you would say he can't be SOS because of his war vote but he could be	hrmjustin	May 2014	#29
That is an interesting point you make.	zeemike	May 2014	#44
If you think that Kerry is not up to the job then that is a legit point to make.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#46
And what choice did we have?	zeemike	May 2014	#50
I agree the choices were limited but we made it.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#52
Why shouldn't it be	sulphurdunn	May 2014	#41
You people?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#42
Yes. It is very odd	Cali_Democrat	May 2014	#43
I just don't get it.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#45
Think what you like.	sulphurdunn	May 2014	#49
And that is a legitimate thing to say.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#51
For the record, most Congressional Democrats voted against the Iraq War Resolution. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#54
To be clear are you saying Kerry's vote to go to war disqualifies him to be SOS?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#55
Clearly it doesn't, because he is SOS	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#56
Quit because he is doing a bad job or his vote?	hrmjustin	May 2014	#57
Because of his demonstrated poor judgement when it counted the most, and	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#58
We could argue this all night so I will say it is unfair to hold his vote against him as SoS	hrmjustin	May 2014	#62
Because he's doing a bad job.	sulphurdunn	May 2014	#59
Well I can not say I am impressed with Kerry myself.	hrmjustin	May 2014	#61
Same for HRC. n/t	PowerToThePeople	May 2014	#2
You should Manny up and laugh it off	BeyondGeography	May 2014	#5
...	NuclearDem	May 2014	#7
He's just trying to get in touch with the common man, Manny.	bemildred	May 2014	#9
Demonstrates to which demographic group (male, conservative) the Adminstration is speaking.	Maedhros	May 2014	#11
If he had tried to be in touch with the common man in 2004	Autumn	May 2014	#17
LOL! n/t	Aerows	May 2014	#28
No question about that in my mind.	bemildred	May 2014	#36
Snowden tried to join the war to fight in Iraq	ProSense	May 2014	#10
That's pretty much the same thing as voting as a US senator to go to war. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2014	#12
Or you voting for Obama.	ProSense	May 2014	#14
Goldstein is channeling Ted Cruz	Cali_Democrat	May 2014	#23
I like beer ... Hitler liked beer	Trajan	May 2014	#53
who?	Egnever	May 2014	#25
Rec'd for "person up." I can't stand the noninclusive expression "man up."	Louisiana1976	May 2014	#30
Kerry practically defines the word "mediocre"	LittleBlue	May 2014	#31
Oh? How about THESE trivia questions? Who investigated and exposed IranContra?	blm	May 2014	#33
Oh please	LittleBlue	May 2014	#34
Don't forget his stance on Syria...	sendero	May 2014	#38
IranContra, BCCI, CIA drugrunning and S&Ls were minor shit to you?	blm	May 2014	#39
You don't oppose a fellow Bonesman.	zeemike	May 2014	#47
Robert Perry?	sulphurdunn	May 2014	#37
Robert Parry was a key investigative reporter on some of the IranContra stories.	blm	May 2014	#40
ah, "manning up"! so that's what sarah palin was doing when she quit government!	unblock	May 2014	#32
"In what respect, unblockie?"	KansDem	May 2014	#35
Nobody said he should quit before this	treestar	May 2014	#48
Kerry is living in "a pipe dream more fitting to fantasyland than any serious discussion."	Autumn	May 2014	#60

Goldstein: Kerry should "man up" and quit government

1. Did you vote for Kerry in 2004?

3. Yes.

4. Yeah but if he should quit because of the Iraq war why did you vote for him?

6. Would you rather have a hand amputated, or a finger amputated?

8. No I prefer to keep my limbs and digits.

13. I *think* I did. nt

15. Then why is his iraq war vote held against him now but not then?

16. Hey How About Those Mets? n/t

18. They suck as usual.

20. Ahh too bad

22. I was raised on the Mets.

24. Oh don't be too sure they will go all the way

26. Time will tell.

19. I've held it against him since it happened.

21. Then why was it ok for him to be president then but not ok for him to be SOS now?

27. My choice was Kerry or Bush.

29. My point is it seems odd you would say he can't be SOS because of his war vote but he could be

44. That is an interesting point you make.

46. If you think that Kerry is not up to the job then that is a legit point to make.

50. And what choice did we have?

52. I agree the choices were limited but we made it.

41. Why shouldn't it be

42. You people?

43. Yes. It is very odd

45. I just don't get it.

49. Think what you like.

51. And that is a legitimate thing to say.

54. For the record, most Congressional Democrats voted against the Iraq War Resolution. nt

55. To be clear are you saying Kerry's vote to go to war disqualifies him to be SOS?

56. Clearly it doesn't, because he *is* SOS

57. Quit because he is doing a bad job or his vote?

58. Because of his demonstrated poor judgement when it counted the most, and

62. We could argue this all night so I will say it is unfair to hold his vote against him as SoS

59. Because he's doing a bad job.

61. Well I can not say I am impressed with Kerry myself.

2. Same for HRC. n/t

5. You should Manny up and laugh it off

7. ...

9. He's just trying to get in touch with the common man, Manny.

11. Demonstrates to which demographic group (male, conservative) the Adminstration is speaking.

17. If he had tried to be in touch with the common man in 2004

28. LOL! n/t

36. No question about that in my mind.

10. Snowden tried to join the war to fight in Iraq

12. That's pretty much the same thing as voting as a US senator to go to war. nt

14. Or you voting for Obama.

23. Goldstein is channeling Ted Cruz

53. I like beer ... Hitler liked beer

25. who?

30. Rec'd for "person up." I can't stand the noninclusive expression "man up."

31. Kerry practically defines the word "mediocre"

33. Oh? How about THESE trivia questions? Who investigated and exposed IranContra?

34. Oh please

38. Don't forget his stance on Syria...

39. IranContra, BCCI, CIA drugrunning and S&Ls were minor shit to you?

47. You don't oppose a fellow Bonesman.

37. Robert Perry?

40. Robert Parry was a key investigative reporter on some of the IranContra stories.

32. ah, "manning up"! so *that's* what sarah palin was doing when she quit government!

35. "In what respect, unblockie?"

48. Nobody said he should quit before this

60. Kerry is living in "a pipe dream more fitting to fantasyland than any serious discussion."

13. I think I did. nt

56. Clearly it doesn't, because he is SOS

32. ah, "manning up"! so that's what sarah palin was doing when she quit government!