Here's what a right winger e-mailed me:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

Paradoxical Quote of The Day From Ben Stein:


"Fathom the Hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured... but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen."

This, of course, is supposed to 'prove' to me that Obama and the Democrats are wrong.

Right wingers are unabashedly ignorant, illogical, stupid, and senseless.

[rfranklin]

1. when I was a child in the '50's, we were told only Nazis asked "where are your papers?"

and those scary Communist regimes made everyone carry identity cards.

Now the right wingers want us to be exactly like the nations they used as examples of lack of freedom.

Go figure!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Good point!!!! Thanks! nt

[RKP5637]

5. Yep, same here. And growing up watching the WWII movies that was

always being done by the Nazis. And some seem to want just the same thing in this country. I'm beginning to wonder if some states are going to start proposing asking for papers every time someone crosses the border into their state from another state.

[CAPHAVOC]

6. And a Pee Test.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. And Ben Stein is Jewish and grew up during that time. Interesting how GOP $ will cause someone to

abandon their ethics, standards, sense, morality and logic.

[RKP5637]

18. And it shows how susceptible people are to brainwashing and endless

propaganda, coming to embrace what was horrific and wanting it again.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. Yup. I consider Ben Stein to be amoral, if $$ takes precedence for him.

I have never personally met a Jewish person that is in favor of being stopped, Nazi-like, and being asked to show I.D. Jewish people know all too well that was the way the Third Reich operated.

[RKP5637]

20. +1000 +++ n/t

[annabanana]

10. Yup! And we were told horror stories about how people spied on each other...

See something say something?

[OccupyTheIRS]

2. And yet the whole idea of a individual mandate was a republican idea... n/t

[Volaris]

12. That's what's ALMOST laughable about the last 3 years...

they get their way, and then they HATE it. Its the most masochistic political behavior in a century.

[Ian David]

23. Not just Republican, but straight from The Heritage Foundation.

The Individual Mandate's Conservative Origins
Posted: 03/28/2012 10:38 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/the-individual-mandates-c_b_1386716.html


Although this douchebag denies it...

From the right-wing douchebags at NewsMax:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Heritage-Foundation-Obamacare-Individual/2012/04/01/id/434420

[JHB]

4. And why, exactly, are we supposed to give a rat's banana about Ben Stein's quotes?

If appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, how much worse is it when the appeal is to non-authority?

[CAPHAVOC]

7. Could be a sign of rough water ahead.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. I consider Ben Stein an idiot, but apparently the right wing idolizes the man and considers him

brilliant.

[COLGATE4]

58. Ben Stein is the Jew Republicans love

because they can point to him and say "No, I actually have Jewish friends".

[libtodeath]

9. I dont waste my time on racist dog whistles

that is all they are doing.

[Snake Alchemist]

11. Oh just pay the penalty and shut up.

We've been hoodwinked.

[Son of Gob]

38. So you agree with the Right winger from the OP

Interesting.

[Snake Alchemist]

39. No, it's repuke idea that we've somehow adopted. Probably by design. nt

[PCIntern]

13. Personally, I don['t post what the RWers send me...

i may allude to it,but I don't post it...why do their work for them? But that's me.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. When their arguments sink to bullshit, I do like to point it out. It confirms for all of us

that the people who have held our country hostage for so long (Repukes) are a bunch of ignorant assholes. Or evil ones. I'm not sure which.

[Ian David]

24. It would be nice if you'd at least do SOME of the work of refuting it when you share it. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. You mean to tell on DU what I said to him? I'll tell you...

I told him that I've tried both healthcare systems: the current, prohibitively expensive system in the U.S., and the single-payer healthcare system of Europe (since I lived there), and that the latter is better in every respect HE (the right winger) could possibly think of. Then I invited him to name any aspect of healthcare and I would illustrate for him why single-payer is better than what currently exists here.

I ADDED that although what's being suggested is not single-payer, that it's heaps better than no health care at all, and will avail healthcare to people who currently have none at all.

I also added that Ben Stein is an asshole who is equating apples with oranges. The immigration issue has nothing to do with health care.

Further, I pointed out that Ben Stein's ancestors, and his (the right winger's) own PARENTS were all immigrants. In fact, the right winger's father came in illegally. This came out in a conversation we had, and I do believe that if the right winger had it to do over again, he'd take back what he had told me, given that I'm now using it against him.

That's a bit of what I responded to him with.

[Ian David]

29. That's the stuff. You rock! n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. Thanks! :) nt

[lunasun]

37. It's OK his parent came here illigally cuz he is a republican - thats the dif

[Sarah Ibarruri]

40. That's the way Republicans operate pretty much - if it's them, everything is acceptable nt

[Major Nikon]

15. Fathom the hypocrisy of the GOP...

that whines incessantly about undocumented immigration, but votes to nominate a candidate that hires undocumented immigrants.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. Which of the Repukes was the last one caught hiring undocumented immigrants? nt

[RKP5637]

21. Wasn't that Romney? n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. I think so. I'm sure there are scores of them. Or hundreds. Look at this article from 2011:

Here are the top five Republican hypocrites on immigration.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/09/the-top-5-republican-hypocrites-on-immigration/

[RKP5637]

26. Reminds me of the old saying, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks!" n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. I agree! It also reminds me of all the Republican sexual perverts -

Why is it that the GOP sexual perverts are always the ones that are anti-gay, pro-religion, banging their chest about how holy they are, etc.?

[freshwest]

35. Deflection. Projection.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

36. That's exactly what it is. nt

[RKP5637]

41. Yep, good old psychological projection or projection bias ... We seen it over

and over, yet they are seldom called out ...

"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Sarah Ibarruri]

51. Perhaps that is part of the description of a right wing personality. nt

[RKP5637]

52. Yep, I do think so ... n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

53. Right wingers are some sick puppies, aren't they? nt

[RKP5637]

54. It gives a lot of people with a lot of problems a rally point under the

label of RW. I listen to some of them and they sound more like they have some real paranoia issues. And frankly, delusional.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

55. You make a good point. Right wing ideology might be a haven for whackos, nutjobs, and psychos nt

[RKP5637]

56. It sure seems that way. And they also seem to be the ones that always

resort to violence.

[LaydeeBug]

31. And you see 7 BILLION people have NO IMPACT on the earth's climate

but ONE MAN can control global oil prices. If they just keep repeating it...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

34. Yup. And never mind that speculator shitheads (Wall Street) are f*cking with oil prices

and making life in the U.S. a living nightmare.

[BiggJawn]

32. Beuhler? Beuhler? Beuhler?

THAT Ben Stein, right? Running on the super-extended 15 minutes.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. That's the one! lol nt

[Initech]

42. I pictured him reading that quote in the Bueller Bueller voice and nearly fell asleep.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

49. lol! I know what you mean. Ben Stein has that effect. nt

[Incitatus]

43. Who am I supposed to prove I am a citizen to?

[slampoet]

44. Government can't make you buy anything except an ID to vote and not get deported.

[Zalatix]

45. I agree with him - problem is, he should take it up with the Heritage Foundation

It was the Heritage Foundation that first proposed that Americans should be forced purchase health insurance on pain of being assessed a tax penalty.

So basically he is bemoaning his own party's brainchild.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

48. I didn't know this. Where can I find information about this? Thanks! nt

[Zalatix]

57. Rather than repeat this good post

allow me to refer you to it instead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=505807

[JoePhilly]

47. Response: "Mandatory transvaginal ultrasound"

"Fathom the Hypocrisy of a Government so small, that it fits inside a woman's vagina."

[meow2u3]

50. Here's a good comeback

The citizens should not be required to prove they're citizens; the government is supposed to be required to prove that they're not citizens.

[Cirque du So-What]

62. According to Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/benstein.asp

Ben Stein denied having said this...although he didn't say he disagreed with the sentiment either.

[blq]

63. The quote is not even by Stein.

Anyone think of checking to see if Stein is the actual author of the quote?

Ad hominem attacks are very rarely helpful.

[uppityperson]

64. A hit and a miss. Welcome to DU, hope your time here is educational. The point it that it is stupid,

doesn't prove what they think it does and now you say not even by the person they say it is. How does any of that help counter "Right wingers are unabashedly ignorant, illogical, stupid, and senseless"?

ETA you found this by some google search since this topic is over a year old and only findable that way. Well, aren't you cute.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/benstein.asp
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/30/chain-email/no-free-health-care-illegal-immigrants-health-bill/

And, fwiw, here is the person who wrote it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/11/1143228/-Obamaxenophobia-A-Pre-existing-Condition#