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Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:11 PM

 

Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): are you in favor or against?


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I don't know, because it's being kept secret, possibly until after it's voted on.
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Manny, it's very telling that this post doesn't address the specific concerns of [group x].
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Reply Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): are you in favor or against? (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 OP
el_bryanto Jun 2014 #1
whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #2
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #3
OhioChick Jun 2014 #4
whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #6
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #9
HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #5
Maedhros Jun 2014 #19
KittyWampus Jun 2014 #22
bettyellen Jun 2014 #7
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #8
bettyellen Jun 2014 #11
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #13
bettyellen Jun 2014 #15
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #18
bettyellen Jun 2014 #23
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #24
bettyellen Jun 2014 #27
Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #25
bettyellen Jun 2014 #31
JoePhilly Jun 2014 #10
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #12
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #14
JoePhilly Jun 2014 #16
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #20
JoePhilly Jun 2014 #21
MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #26
TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #30
pa28 Jun 2014 #32
pampango Jun 2014 #17
mike_c Jun 2014 #28
KamaAina Jun 2014 #29

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:12 PM

1. The thing is - i'm against it because we don't know what's in it.

I am not opposed to all trade agreements, but I am opposed to ones done in secret that we don't know the contours of.

Bryant

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:15 PM

2. However the president feels

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:19 PM

3. The President is highly in favor

 

So you are as well?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:22 PM

4. So is HRC, helped draft it

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:28 PM

6. Joking of course

Just illustrating - for people who will post tons of links to shilly op-eds - how much easier and more efficient it is to simply cut to the chase.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:38 PM

9. Got it.

 

Sorry!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:27 PM

5. Against. Most "free trade" agreements are bad...

 

... because they give unrestricted mobility to capital, that doesn't exist for labor. Therefore, labor in all countries signed on to the agreement end up getting the shaft.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:58 PM

19. "Free Trade" is dog-whistle for "Screw the Workers and the Environment."

 

I'm against the TPP for multiple reasons.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:02 PM

22. "Fair Trade not Free Trade". I think Kucinich used that phrase in a debate.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:30 PM

7. were you unable to do this without snarking on people who care about other issues?

 

and you wonder why people stay out of those threads, LOL. haven't figured it out yet....

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:37 PM

8. Sorry, perhaps you haven't noticed.

 

I'm regularly attacked for my posts because I don't mention X.

E.g., http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5119911
And of course, you did see http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5152183

How would you propose we end that kind of stuff?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:41 PM

11. so "he started it" works for you, LOL? Okay then.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:44 PM

13. No. I didn't do the same thing back.

 

Simply a bit of pre-emption.

It sucks to be called racist, misogynist, and so forth, even for nonsensical reasons.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:51 PM

15. it looks like childish tit for tat to me.

 

and you're still hurt about being called out for making fun of african americans dislike of watermelon jokes?
i guess that means your apology was bullshit.
but taken all together, it appears you are deliberately alienating people here, which is interesting.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:57 PM

18. Where did I write that I'm

 

"still hurt about being called out for making fun of african americans [sic] dislike of watermelon jokes"?

I eagerly await your response, thanks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:07 PM

23. what were these racist accusations about then? very eagerly awaiting your response!

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:36 PM

24. As I already linked to in a response to you in this very thread:

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5119911

At this point, it seems like you're pushing an agenda against me rather than trying to have a discussion.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:45 PM

27. no one called you are racist. they said it appears racial matters do not concern you.

 

that is a very different thing. was the watermelon joke the only pile of shit you stepped in?
that was kind of big, and gives this discussion- and the questions those Duers asked you, a whole lot of missing context.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:43 PM

25. LOL. You're still upset about my post from a week ago?

 

Where did I call you a racist in my post?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:34 PM

31. Manny must have misread your post- he claimed you called him a racist! Not true at all.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:39 PM

10. Is there a draft bill yet?

Anywhere?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:43 PM

12. Perhaps Ed Snowden can make a visit and let the people know what its gov't is doing.

 

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:45 PM

14. When would our President want that draft bill to be available to the public?

 

Actually, since our President wants fast-track authority, the agreement would essentially be the bill, no?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:56 PM

16. Fast track is used to prevent senators from trying to derail legislation with

extraneous riders. Its not like the GOP hasn't used approaches like that to obstruct legislation before, right?

And as I'm sure you are aware, legislation is introduced by a member of Congress, not the President.

Its tough for me to freak out about a piece of potential legislation that, as far as I am aware, has not been drafted bu anyone.

This topic is starting to look a lot like the "OMG, the President is about to gut/slash/kill social security" threads.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:58 PM

20. Thanks, but you didn't answer my simple question. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:00 PM

21. Nor did you answer mine. Funny how that works.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:44 PM

26. I think I did, but to make it clearer

 

There is not an explicit draft bill but there is effectively a draft bill, which is the draft of the TPP.

Now, your turn.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:56 PM

30. Works pretty good at stifling push back from all comers

As far as introduction of legislation, let's not blow too much smoke, the thing will get hammered out by the negotiators and some patsy will introduce it. I ask so what?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:11 PM

32. Except Republican Senators are the ones pushing for fast track passage.

Democrats like Harry Reid are trying to obstruct. Opposition to fast track is the Democratic position.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:57 PM

17. Against it because it does not do what needs to be done.

There need to be labor and environmental standards in any trade agreement. If TPP does not have them, and it sure seems like it doesn't, then sticking with WTO trading rules (which do not have labor nor environmental standards) is better than missing the opportunity that TPP could have represented.

To improve labor and environmental standards globally we will have to negotiate enforceable agreements with the rest of the world. Given what we know about TPP it looks like we will have to wait a long time for that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:49 PM

28. I'm against it, but I recognize that's a knee-jerk reaction to secrecy....

In truth, I don't have much information about the details of the TPP so it is difficult to make an informed argument against it. However, the secrecy surrounding it generates distrust and unease.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:52 PM

29. Whatever it is, I'm against it!

 

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