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Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:17 PM

The Dumb War

Now there’s a meme applicable to the current Iraq debate, huh?

I recently attended my Congressman’s Town Hall Meeting, where Iraq 2014 was the agenda.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025142323

Congressman Larson’s opinion on the 2003 Iraq Invasion; The policy makers did the most appropriate thing given the intelligence available to them at the time, is a laughable and embarrassing position to make in public, given the easily accessible historical record available in 2014.

“The case for war wasn’t wrong, it was a lie.” – Rachael Maddow, 6-27-14

The show, in Rachel’s normal MSNBC time slot on June 27, 2014 ,was a repeat of her production of “Hubris”, with an important and noteworthy addition; The commentary by Rachel at the beginning was recorded recently, in the context of the recently renewed “how to fix Iraq this time” national debate. The people that lied us into this ill-conceived and stupid-well-beyond-the-point-of-treason invasion still walk free and are still a part of polite society. If not life in prison, they should at least be ostracized from all of civilized society.

The tricky thing about this video is that it is not very easy to find and play, compared to most TRMS shows. So I do my part to prevent her profound preamble from slipping into an easily forgotten rabbit hole. My personal transcription of part of that is below. If somebody can find this or put this on youtube, that would be great! At least the first five minutes or so.

http://now.msnbc.com/show/The%20Rachel%20Maddow%20Show/291312707660/0/TRMS%3A%20Hubris%20June%2027%2C%202014

The Rachel Maddow Show
TRMS: Hubris June 27, 2014
Season 2014 Episode 140627 Aired 6-27-2014

@1:35 – “...... it's more important than that even to remember that they just weren’t wrong. The Iraq war gets shorthanded now as an intelligence failure. U.S. policy makers were just acting on bad information. That is not what the Iraq war was. It was a deception and this is important; it was the deliberate manipulation of intelligence in order to deceive and it worked and a decade later we owe it to ourselves to not only learn from our mistakes as a nation so we do not repeat them, we owe it to ourselves as a nation to hold to account and treat accordingly the voices that snookered us into that war in the first place. Especially since they are now trying to drag us back in. Investigative reporter Michael Isikoff and Mother Jones’ David Corn co-authored a book called Hubris that detailed exactly how that war was sold to the American people. How intelligence was purposely distorted to make the case for war. The case for war wasn’t wrong, it was a lie."

How's that "We must look forward, not backward" doctrine of War Criminal forgiveness working out for yah, fellow Americans?


-90% Jimmy

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Response to 90-percent (Original post)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:25 PM

1. K & R...for exposure...

Rachel is a treasure. Hubris should be a must watch for anyone who doubts that the Iraq War was anything but a giant money grabbing scam by the Halliburton crowd.

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Response to 90-percent (Original post)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:35 PM

2. And folks like Sean Hannity who refused to fight the war, demanded daily that we have it

i want him in prison for war crimes too, and i am not kidding

he supported and promoted a war based on lies, he either knew they were lies or he did NOTHING to confirm the information

i hate that piece of shit

he NIGHTLY banged his desk demanding a war...and my life and others were drastically impacted as a result

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Response to randys1 (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 06:06 PM

7. I sympathize but such a notion is somewhat off the deep end.

No rational basis which means a government of rounding up folks for opinions based on who is in charge I guess.

Focus on the motherfuckers who actually did it instead of "looking forward" and such nonsense.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 06:37 PM

8. deep end is where we had to live for a year because of these motherphuckers

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Response to 90-percent (Original post)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:36 PM

3. Inciting an Investigation to arrest those who were Disturbing the Peace

Way to go, 90-percent!

Congressman John Larson (D-CT) is an outstanding representative. If more of his colleagues had any integrity when the Democrats had a majority, instead of taking "impeachment off the table," they would have investigated these traitors, warmongers and gangsters and dent them to prison for the rest of their natural days.

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Response to 90-percent (Original post)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:44 PM

4. I call it the "Bomb Countries For Profit War".

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:55 PM

5. i know this is whiney and pathetic, but

i'm really passionate about this and it would be nice to get just a few more recs for greatest page?

please please please.

as Frank Zappa would say, what a chump thing to do. and i putting rec'ing my own posts in a category of "chump things to do". which i just did. but, for the right reasons.

-jim

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Response to 90-percent (Original post)

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:03 PM

6. We need a new judgment at Nuremberg

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