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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA conservative union member at work today about SCOTUS Harris v. Quinn Ruling
He started on about how IF they are not members of the union, they should not have to pay the fees at the center of this case. Faux has been saying it is over political donations. It is not. He watches Faux several hours a day BTW. It is over the cost of representing-negotiating for non-members that benefit from the contract.
So after 15 or 20 minutes I changed the subject to welfare. I've heard him go on about freeloaders several times before. He shot his mouth off. I countered with aren't non-union members freeloading off dues paying members in the SCOUTS decision? They get what union members are paying for while they get the service for FREE!!!
Ruined his good mood. How do you spell epiphany? A sudden realization about the nature or meaning of something. An epiphany can often come about due to some experience that may trigger the sudden realization.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)moment of insight from his memory banks.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,791 posts)Epiphany IS the word.
calimary
(81,594 posts)Sometimes they're stopped mid-sentence, and we might be tempted to think that it's struck a chord and maybe their eyes were just pried open. That and a dime might get you a few minutes on a parking meter. It'd be revealing to watch if his tune changed over the next few days - if he'd taken in what had been said and had a change of heart about it. Kinda doubt that, but one can always hope. But remember, sometimes they resolutely will cling to their false notions just out of spite - so you don't get the "win".
houston_radical
(41 posts)my father is a far right wing ideologue, and so was I (like many people who follow their parents' political and religious bias').
but my epiphany came when I heard Chomsky speak
then the long roughly seven year turn-around following the several denial-to-acceptance steps
having met a girl from a war-torn country, and learning to think critically in college, certainly helped though
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)welfare deal. Most people have never been a union member, never worked with a union, do not know how unions works but they are experts because they listened to someone talking about unions in a negative tone. It's like going to a brain surgeon and telling him how to perform the surgery on their own brain tumor. It is welfare on those who refuse to pay the dues. Unions are good, they do good things, it is a united effort going in the same direction.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I would have done exactly the same thing, only in more colorful language.
Oh, and by the way, I belong to a union that gives contributions to RepubliCON as well as Democratic Party candidates!
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Here's the deal:
This didn't have anything to do with people who make their livings as care givers. This involved family members who are caring for a disabled child or parent or other relative. The State of Illinois decided that they should classify these people as employees of the State which would mean that they had to join the union and pay union fees. Why? Because they were collecting the Medicaid benefits that were rightfully due for the care of the patient.
Now, there might be people who think that's reasonable, but bear in mind that these family care givers were not eligible to receive any benefits that the other union members receive. And they didn't receive any benefits that other state employees receive. I, for one, think these families have enough problems and this was just over the line. Others may see it differently.
Omaha Steve
(99,845 posts)That would be four judges on the SCOTUS and the Seventh Circuit Court.
The legal fees of the personal assistants was paid for by the right wing funded Right to Work Foundation.
The Court gave very little consideration to states rights, particularly:
whether the State of Illinois should have the right to determine which categories of employees it considers to be state employees and whether states as employers should have the right to decide whether they want to include agency fee provisions in their union contracts.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.supremecourt.gov%2Fopinions%2F13pdf%2F11-681_j426.pdf
From the ruling today: Respondents also maintain that the agency-fee provision
promotes the welfare of personal assistants and thus
contributes to the success of the Rehabilitation Program.
As a result of unionization, they claim, the wages and
benefits of personal assistants have been substantially
improved;23 orientation and training programs, back
ground checks, and a program to deal with lost and erro
neous paychecks have been instituted;24 and a procedure
was established to resolve grievances arising under the
collective-bargaining agreement
23 Wages rose from $7 per hour in 2003 to $13 per hour in 2014.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Gives them much pain and discomfort.
That's why they do it so little.
Lunacee_2013
(529 posts)in a unionized work place, but don't want to be a union member, then maybe they shouldn't take the pay raise that usually comes with being a union member. They didn't earn it, the union did.