The solution is not taking off our tops

[BainsBane]

and showing our breasts to men who think depriving us of reproductive rights is a big joke. If you want to engage in bodily protest, do one that makes sense. SCOTUS and Hobby Lobby seek to deny women access to birth control. The logical response--besides a consumer boycott, legal, and political action--is to go all Lysistrata. At the very least, refuse to have sex with someone who doesn't take your reproductive rights seriously. If he thinks companies have a right to make your reproductive choices or your reaction is "hysterical" or "hair on fire," that is someone who isn't worthy of intimate relations with you.

[mindwalker_i]

1. Pretty much what I said:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5179857

[BainsBane]

2. All excellent suggestions. nt

[BainsBane]

4. Some on this site

as we've seen today, not that I have sex with any of them. Someone may, however. Or members here may know men who adopt similar attitudes. Regardless, it beats taking off tops, which only incentivizes the men who treat women's rights as trivial.

[R B Garr]

5. Exactly right. That's why I couldn't figure out FEMEN (although that's since been

explained that they were mostly promoting their careers through looks and sensationalism...). Taking off your top is analagous to the Occupy Wall Street protestors taking their rent money and buying some 1% investment bankers lunch with it. You can't be a serious protestor if you are handing over all your power and assets to those you claim to shun. Makes no sense.

[BainsBane]

15. Particularly when you see

some of the people who think the reaction to the SCOTUS ruling is a big joke love the idea of a topless protest.

[R B Garr]

16. I just looked through that thread about the topless protest

although I'm sure there are more threads of that nature...I see what you mean. Parading topless women around is the answer to everything, of course.

[ZombieHorde]

6. It's a great idea, but human sexuality doesn't seem to work that way.

People, especially young people, usually don't look for goodness in their potential sex partners. I imagine just about everyone here has had sex with a crazy asshole.

[Nye Bevan]

7. Well it seemed like a good idea at the time.

[ZombieHorde]

10. Ha! Yeah, it usually does.

I sometimes hear guys complaining about gals who don't date "nice guys (them)," but they sure as hell aren't just looking for niceness in their desired partners. Niceness isn't number one priority for most of us.

[BainsBane]

11. Fact is

Those guys are rarely nice. That's just what they say because they don't have a lot of luck with women.

[ZombieHorde]

13. I bet. nt

[JI7]

19. none of those guys are ever nice. they are usually creepy and there is good reason

why they can't get anyone to be with them.

[BainsBane]

8. Just because we have in the past doesn't mean we need to continue to do so

I wish those five male justices' wives would give some serious thought to this.


A pre-screening interview, for example:

[ZombieHorde]

12. So funny.

I'm all for your idea, but actually attaining it will be difficult.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Ha, ha, ha!

That post made me laugh.

Yeah. Back in the day? Good God. i've got some stories.

[alarimer]

9. I definitely think people should stop having sex with Republicans.

Or maybe that's their problem already.

They sound like people who are deeply ashamed of their natural urges.

[BainsBane]

17. and with Dems who think too much like Republicans

on this issue.

[smirkymonkey]

14. +1000

[tkmorris]

18. I cannot even express how much I wish that would happen

Unfortunately women continue to be attracted to, and have sex with, utter morons. It baffles me, and they always end up sad and angry, but they do it anyway.

Edited to add: Men do this too. We SHOULD seek out out honest, loyal, intelligent and independent companions but instead we drool after the worst of the lot. We really can be our own worst enemy.

[GReedDiamond]

20. YES! That is the best response to Hobby Lobby..,

...and any other other "closely held" CorpoRats who go down that road, I have yet to see!!

Great Post.

[BainsBane]

21. Who I would most like to practice this

are the wives of the five justices and the yahoos in charge of Hobby Lobby.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. i dunno. Scalia, for instance, looks like the most vigorous physical activity he ever gets

Is drooling in his soup.

[JI7]

26. according to Scalia

<Challenged about his views on sexual morality, Justice Scalia surprised his audience at Harvard University, telling them: "I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged." >


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/01/usa.oliverburkeman

[Warren DeMontague]

30. Asshat

I don't mean that as a figure of speech, I mean this hat really looks like ass.

[BainsBane]

35. a flat ass at that

[JI7]

23. the wives are most likely wingnuts, look at the wife of Clarence Thomas and that call

she made to Anita Hill.

wingnuts or total idiots and in most cases both.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. I tell you, just envisioning Roberts's howdy doody ass in flagrante delicto

Is enough to turn anyone off of sex for good, i should think.

[BainsBane]

27. Scalia is a more frightening image

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by a long shot.

[gwheezie]

28. I'm not taking off my top so men can stare

It makes no sense to me.
I don't think withholding sex would work either since no decent woman had sex with a rightwing loon anyway. And I think that gets to a basis of why many rightwing loons are so hellbent on controlling women and reproduction. They've admitted this. There aren't enough loons being born. Very few woman are finding old white tea bags attractive. Since we can control our reproduction support ourselves buy propert own business etc.the one advantage to having a relationship with an old rightwing loon had been removed.
Women do not need a man to protect us, support us or feed us. This is the source if the outrageous behavior. There are plenty of men who appreciate us as full human beings. Since the rightwing old men are finding less women who are forced to form relationships with them. They are dying off
So no I won't take my top off. It only encourages creepy loons.

[BainsBane]

36. You nailed the motivation. It's about losing their grip on power over us

and they will use any means to try and reimpose it.

[Live and Learn]

29. Perhaps, imposing equal restrictions on men

would work even better.

Why should men be allowed to go topless when women can't? Why should women be subject to topless men that might make women lose their ability to control themselves?

Why should men be guaranteed equal rights if women aren't? And so on...

Or, how about getting rid of gender determinations/articles in legislation, all together and replacing them all with gender neutral descriptions?

[Ilsa]

31. Agreed. And sex ed might be needed for some of those men too.

My guess is that alot of men don't understand enough physiology and how different methods of birth control work. That's why they shrug it off.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

32. Not to draw too fine a point but

how can they miss not getting something they were never going to get in the first place? All the men (and women) supporting the HL case? Yeah, I wasn't going to be having sex with any of them. And if they decide to change their minds I still won't be having sex with them.

[BainsBane]

37. I suspect there are a lot of women

partnered with conservative or insensitive men who see the issue very differenltly from those men.

[Boom Sound 416]

33. So the way to fight the decision is

To not have sex. Seems like that kind of takes care of everything.

[BainsBane]

34. not with everyone

Just the jerks who don't support women's reproductive freedom..

[dilby]

38. Sure you can do that but why would you be with someone who doesn't

respect your rights in the first place.

I think a better solution would be for women to stage a no work protest day. Just all women who are offended by this ruling get together and not show up for work for 1 day to show these people what it looks like when they are missing half their workforce.