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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTed Nugent on Piers Morgan re: Trayvon Martin case. People like me don't see color but let's
not forget about all the other black men who die needlessly. (I'm paraphrasing)
Kaleva
(36,299 posts)Does he mean he treats everyone the same regardless of color but we shouldn't just concentrate on the death of Trayvon alone lest we forget about all the other black men who have died?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)What I think he is trying to say is that he doesn't think Trayvon should have been killed for being black in a gated community. Then he brings up a pertinent point I think, that this happens everyday, people getting killed for being black minding their own business at the same time a gun nut is present. Or I could be completely wrong.
ETA: If this is indeed what he is saying, then he is having a sort of a good moment. But, he is still an asshat.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)when the reference was to gang violence.
applegrove
(118,654 posts)superior because they don't see race - they are in fact post-racial (not). Which they are not. Because they still use the southern strategy. But they need to feel morally superior and the GOP has decided that denying there is any racism in the country is the best way to go to give 'the base' a superiority complex. Plus there are many black men dying violent deaths....but they don't see race!
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)I've been around plenty of conservatives and when there's no minorities around they will spew some really racist shit. I call them on it when I can, but sometimes because of the circumstances it's best to bite my tongue and let them display their ignorance
applegrove
(118,654 posts)a post racial world. So all those racists conservatives will see themselves as morally superior to him because they don't see race and Obama does. The GOP will box Obama in that way.
Initech
(100,075 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Just sayin . . .
yardwork
(61,608 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Violence against black men is the most common form.
spin
(17,493 posts)and discuss the problem of black on black violence that often occurs in the inner cities such as Chicago and is often caused by gang warfare.
This is definitely a subject that receives far less attention than it deserves and is worthwhile of discussion. However it has nothing to do with the Trayvon Martin tragedy.
applegrove
(118,654 posts)They just say they are 'post racial', and 'what about black on black violence' and someone else who could have learnt something is tuned out. All the better for the GOP to keep running by appealing to racists in the South.
spin
(17,493 posts)is an important problem that needs to get more publicity and needs to be addressed by law enforcement. Black on black crime is also a serious problem. Of course, such problems are a result of the failure of our educational system, our lost war on drugs and the outsourcing of quality jobs that pay a living wage to other countries. Law enforcement can't correct such problems and we currently have a battle between the two major political parties in our nation where both refuse any compromise and consequently make little progress on the major problems that hurt average and poor people.
But as I pointed out, these problems have nothing to do with the Trayvon Martin shooting and Ted Nugent was trying to divert attention from Zimmerman's actions and change the subject.
As a member of the NRA, a gun owner in Florida who has a Concealed Carry Permit and a registered Democrat from a long line of Democrats who worked in the steel mills of Pittsburgh, I cringe every time I watch Nugent on TV defending gun rights and responsible ownership. He my be a good entertainer but he does more damage than good when he represents responsible gun owners. He might appeal to conservative Republicans but when he opens his mouth to support gun rights he is in my opinion a total idiot. I personally believe that entertainers should stick to their day jobs unless they have enough intelligence and knowledge to comment on the issues that our nation faces. Many don't. Ted is an example.
In my opinion, Ted should have pointed out that the Stand Your Ground law was written to eliminate the duty of a person to retreat if he was attacked or faced imminent attack by an individual who intended to inflict serious harm or to kill. The person who was the aggressor in such a situation should have the ability to inflict such injury. A reasonable man standing in the shoes of the person who utilized lethal force in the incident should also have believed that the threat was immediate and no other choices would have avoided injury or death. For example, the attacker was much larger or in far better physical shape than the individual who used lethal force or he was armed with a weapon such as a gun, a knife or a club which could have inflicted serious injury or death.
The original concept of the law was not to protect an individual who started a confrontation and refused to back off before it turned violent or an individual who chased down an individual and then confronted him.
Ted might have pointed out that in some cases the legal authorities or judges have misinterpreted the law and allowed a person who questionably used lethal force to walk away without arrest or prosecution. He might have agreed with me that the law should be rewritten in order to remove any ambiguities or confusion that would allow an individual to escape prosecution.
Having said that, I would like to point out that I realize that commenting on the Trayvon Martin shooting is premature as we really don't know all the details of the ongoing investigation. It's foolish to form an opinion on any such incident based on the reports by the media before an investigation is complete and our system of law doesn't allow the media to be the judge and jury in any case.
However assuming the information that I have gleaned from the news is accurate, I have reason to believe that the investigation by the Sanford police department was flawed and incomplete. Racism might have been involved or political influence could have been a contributing factor. Perhaps we will learn more details in the future.
Currently I believe that Zimmerman should be arrested and have his day in court in front of a jury. I fear that if this doesn't happen, there could be violence.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)with Ella Baker.
"Until the killing of black men, black mothers' sons, becomes as important to the rest of the country as the killing of a white mother's son. We who believe in freedom cannot rest until this happens." 1964
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Now his language center of his brain is finally shot!
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)applegrove
(118,654 posts)they don't want the issue of race discussed because it may mean some understanding comes out of it and the GOP don't want the USA any more connected than it is already. They work hard to foment division in the USA. Their Southern Strategy and all. Why Gingrinch, Bachman went after Obama when he said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon. They don't want even the subtler forms of racism to be stopped. After all how can they get all those votes from poor whites, who vote against their economic best interest, if current race issues are taken on in the public domain.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)I doubt he is color blind so that leaves one possibility to describe people like him.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)he's not a person he's a piece of shit.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)You're a winner
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)saras
(6,670 posts)Let's pretend he's not a shithead and take his words seriously.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002519045
Okay, Ted. You've contributed something useful, even if it wasn't what you expected. Now shut up and play yer guitar.