Why debate one "morality" and ignore another?

[Scuba]

[xchrom]

1. du rec.

[yuiyoshida]

39. double DU Rec and two thumbs up!

[Enthusiast]

2. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

Seriously.

[chervilant]

3. K&R

And, let's not forget our younglings who've lived the majority of their lives in foster facilities after being rescued from abusive parents, many of whom use their "religious beliefs" to justify their bad parenting.

[Louisiana1976]

26. +1 million

[yellerpup]

4. K&R! n/t

Good question. Best solution: impeach Thomas and Alito.

[wandy]

5. K&R

[IronLionZion]

6. It's possible to support programs for the homeless and birth control

just saying you don't have to pick one.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. I think you missed what the OP is saying.

He/she is pointing out that there wouldn't BE as many homeless children if people who didn't want to have children in the first place were able to easily get contraception, including emergency (next day) contraception. So folks on the left DO want to help with both, but those on the right want to ban contraception, thus adding to the problem of childhood homelessness.

[reddread]

17. theres a flipside as well

unauthorized or coerced ligations.
theyve been caught doing it in the local womens prison, and I suspect
it happens elsewhere. i dont see many(any) pregnancies in a very active population.
may just be that the fertile women move into assistance, as they should, but I know it
isnt that easy.
something reeks in denmark.
that could just be my kingsnakes.
time for a cage cleaning.

[JDPriestly]

46. What in the world do coerced ligations have to do with whether an employer should be required

to pay for a health plan that covers birth control for its employees?

Birth control should be a matter of choice for the woman in consultation with her doctor. No one else, neither a prison warden or an employer or the US Supreme Court should have any say in the matter.

[reddread]

48. "flipside"

Im so sorry, I thought this was about the homeless rather than the ACA.

[JDPriestly]

49. There is a tie between homeless children and denying birth control to women.

But what does tubal ligation have to do with either homeless children or Hobby Lobby, that is an employer's denying birth control to female employees or at least attempting to do so.

Did Hobby Lobby take a stance of some sort on tubal ligation?

I didn't see that.

If they didn't, then Hobby Lobby's employee health insurance policies probably still cover it.

What does tubal ligation have to do with Hobby Lobby?

[reddread]

50. this thread is about Hobby Lobby?

arent there 1,000 others more directly about them, and possibly a thimblefull about the homeless epidemic?

[JDPriestly]

51. What does tubli liigation have to do with the homeless epidemic?

I worked on a homeless project for years and the topic of tubal ligation never came up. Can you explain?

[reddread]

52. it is not an uncommon practice, and the local Chowchilla women's prison got caught recently

I wont strain myself too hard trying to reconcile "morality", birth control coverage and the "homeless epidemic"
the reality of population control concerns is far overstated when actual population density in the US is considered.
Over the last ten years of being engaged with certain homeless populations, I have noticed something odd about
the many women out there on the streets.
This latest scandal involving the women's prison reminds me of the Israeli/Ethiopian situation, and I dont think it is
any sort of leap to realize that women in the weakest socioeconomic position are being treated similarly.
None of which has anything to do with Hobby Lobby or the ACA battle. Simply criminal domestic abuse of women who
dont get the time of day from folks who would scream bloody murder over some internet slight of powerful white women like
Hillary Clinton..

[JDPriestly]

53. Thank you. You bring up a good point.

When I worked with homeless women, I found that many of them had been raped or sexually abused as young girls, often by a step-father or relative.

That has nothing to do with the importance of family planning, the need that families have especially today to be free to plan when and if they want children.

We certainly do not have a problem with underpopulation. Overpopulation is a huge global problem.

With most women working, family planning and the right to access to birth control as a part of your healthcare is utterly essential. For many people (like me) birth control is or was a health matter. For me, it was a matter of life or death.

My husband couldn't remember the name of Hobby Lobby this morning and blurted out Rabbit Habit. I think that Rabbit Habit is a better name for the company than Hobby Lobby.

If we did not have birth control, we would need to invent it. We may not have a problem with overpopulation now, but if the baby boomers had reproduced at the rate their parents did, the planet would be a mess.

[User_Friendly]

20. Their response would be something along the lines of...

It's better to be poor and alive than to have never been born (or even murdered)

[Skittles]

38. they really are pathetic, aren't they?

[JDPriestly]

47. But the best is to be born at the time when your parents really want you and feel confident

that the time you are born is right.

It isn't just a matter of being poor or rich or being alive or dead. Much of it is a matter of timing.

[djean111]

8. Either every sperm is sacred, or the Right just are offended at the thought of people

having non-procreational sex. Or both. it is, at heart, a matter of wanting to Control.

[PeoViejo]

9. yup

Check out the site..if you dare...lol

http://www.stopmasturbationnow.org/phototestimonials/

[defacto7]

23. That's the stupidest site

on the planet.

[Shrike47]

29. Oh my God. Do they realize what that looks like?

[cyberswede]

37. I think it looks like the contraption used for lethal injections

*shudder*

[whopis01]

45. You do realize that is satire don't you? n/t

[volstork]

30. I still agree with George Carlin:

The people who oppose birth control are those nobody wants to fuck anyway.

[Jerry442]

10. "Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they?..."

"...They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're pre-school, you're fucked."

- George Carlin -

[Louisiana1976]

27. I love Carlin. He died too soon.

[ismnotwasm]

11. No shit

Hypocritical assholes.

[Cha]

12. K!

[perdita9]

13. Churches now practice fetus worship

They seem to lose all interest when the kid is actually born.

I don't understand this viewpoint. It clearly isn't promoted in the Bible.

[marmar]

14. k/r

[Grey]

15. K&R

[AngryOldDem]

16. It is a shame that the zeal for one issue doesn't extend to the other.

Unfortunately, for too many, "pro-life" begins at the microscopic level and ends in the delivery room. After that, you're on your own.

[rhett o rick]

18. The "zeal" is manipulated. The oligarchs love to have turmoil in the masses.

Yet they won't support the "zeal" in a subject that might cost them money. They promote "zeal" about gay rights and not poverty.

[reddread]

19. brace yourself for another flag burning controversy n/m

[rhett o rick]

21. Good example. Patriotism is used as a tool to keep the masses distracted.

Illegal immigration is another example. The oligarchs make a big deal about the dangers to the American way of life and yet never do anything about it (e.g., the Bush disastrous decade). But the rubes (Republicans) dont catch on.

[reddread]

22. yep. Im saddened to think thats all they will harp about through 16

Because clearly, they have no issues with the opposition in real terms of economic justice.
the push me pull you show just keeps killing the dogs and ponys that step into the booth.
So folks get up in arms and rant and protest the racists, instead of taking it to the crooks
who benefit from the sideshow.

how many stupid people can one country accommodate?
Does fluoride impact long term memory?

[defacto7]

24. Anti-choice isn't debating anything.

They just demand based on myth at the cost of humanity which they take no responsibility for nor give a damn about.

[ReRe]

25. K&R

The condemning of common sense/logic boggles the mind.

[Louisiana1976]

28. Excellent post. K&R

[rickyhall]

31. Would that Rapture please come

And take these crazy motherfuckers away forever

Birth control prevents the need for abortion

[pansypoo53219]

32. their perspective

[tea and oranges]

33. K & R

I volunteer for an agency that is dedicated to homeless youth. 40% of these youngsters have been kicked out of their homes for being LGBT. I've seen articles posted here on DU discussing churches that threatened parents with expulsion if they did not put their LGBT children on the street.

While homeless youth is not a single cause issue, birth control/family planning should never be an issue as it's no one's effin business.

[hollysmom]

34. soeone trying to make women non-human is nto about birth control it is about control

Don't devalue my anger because other things are wrong. I am angry about homelessness adult and child,
But I have a right to be angry about someone dehumanizing woman and humanizing corporations - If you dehumanize women, you will probably lose the value of all the woman's support for children and all the issues there. I feel a percentage of woman angry about this is higher than men, just a little bigotry assumption on my part that does not reduce the outrage onthis subject.

So don't tell me there are more important things to be angry about - there are not.

[Scuba]

35. These are goo things to be angry about. Now the challenge is to channel than anger into change.

[Stuart G]

36. Thank You ...Scuba..great post..says so much in so little..

[reddread]

40. kicking for the homeless and unbalanced folks who get beaten by cops

the lady in LA only had one on her. The poor guy in Fresno had two cops beating the shit out of him for sitting there.
they shipped that fellow into an institution down south and isolated him from real support.
his lawyer managed about 40k in restitution.
you know what the Free Republic got for being called a hate group?
you should.
and no lawyer fees were necessary for that handoff from connected friends.

[DeSwiss]

41. K&R!

[sheshe2]

42. Kick and Hell yes Recommend!

No words for their stupidity!

[C Moon]

43. Seeing that photo and reading the text, sure tells me that the 1% are getting what they want:

sending the U.S. back to times much like those of which Charles Dickens wrote.

[Uncle Joe]

44. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Scuba.