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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:53 AM Jul 2014

5-Year-Old Cited for Sexual Misconduct for Taking Off Pants on Playground

Good grief.

http://www.care2.com/causes/5-year-old-cited-for-sexual-misconduct-for-taking-off-pants-on-playground.html

Being a five-year-old is kinda weird. You are no longer considered a toddler, though some of your clothes may have a “T” for toddler after the number. Still, you’re not quite a big kid, an honor that seems unfairly awarded to those in the first grade. Sensible isn’t a word that is often described for a five-year-old’s actions, largely because decision making is based on impulse rather than logic.

This is the mindset that kindergartner Eric Lopez was in when he was on the playground at school in April. While playing with a group of kids at Ashton Ranch Elementary School in Surprise, Arizona, one of the students told him to pull his pants down. It’s unclear what Eric’s initial response was. However, the other student said that if Eric didn’t do it, he would do it for him. So Eric pulled his pants down. This is perfectly logical for a five-year-old.

For the principal and the Dysart Unified School District, it was not.

After witnessing the incident, a teacher took Eric to the principal’s office. It was there that the principal reportedly discussed the incident and why what he did was wrong. Then the principal pulled out a form, and checked off that Eric had been talked to and had told his side of his story. Eric was then told to sign his name on the document. He only signed his first name, because that’s all he knew how to do.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/5-year-old-cited-for-sexual-misconduct-for-taking-off-pants-on-playground.html#ixzz36brlB5dm

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5-Year-Old Cited for Sexual Misconduct for Taking Off Pants on Playground (Original Post) Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 OP
schools have to be very careful people will sue them over anything leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #1
I hope the boy's family sues the schools socks off. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #2
see damned if they do damned if they dont leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #3
Or, an admonition to the kid and a call to his parents would suffice. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #4
til he does it again this time the parents find out he's done it before and the school did leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #19
self-delete lunatica Jul 2014 #6
Methinks, you replied to the wrong post. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #7
You're right! I meant to reply to leftyohiolib lunatica Jul 2014 #8
No problem. I've done it myself many times. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #10
It's interesting that your concern is for the school lunatica Jul 2014 #9
i think that the school has to protect itself from lawsuits leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #20
You may call youself a liberal but in my opinion no liberal lunatica Jul 2014 #22
im not saying that i think this is just, i dont, i think it's overly harsh and completely leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #23
That's ridiculous. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #5
filing this one under = Are you fucking kidding me !? ... that file is huge, btw. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #11
How is that possible? liberalmuse Jul 2014 #12
The world gets crazier everyday newfie11 Jul 2014 #13
This zero tolerance bullshit makes me so so glad I'm not a kid in this insane era of America aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #14
Good. Catch the pedophiles early. TransitJohn Jul 2014 #15
In my kindergarten being a "man" was peeing through the chain link fence in the playground corner... hunter Jul 2014 #16
Blaming the victim... TeeYiYi Jul 2014 #17
Ikr? Bullied by the kids on the playground and HE'S the one who gets in trouble?? nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #21
Got to love the sheer stupidity of zero tolerance laws. Initech Jul 2014 #18
 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
19. til he does it again this time the parents find out he's done it before and the school did
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jul 2014

nothing about it last time now they sue.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
7. Methinks, you replied to the wrong post.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:23 PM
Jul 2014

Or, misread mine. I think the parents of the kid should sue the school does not indicate that I support the school.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. You're right! I meant to reply to leftyohiolib
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jul 2014

I will self-delete and reply to the correct person. You're actually one of my favorites!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
10. No problem. I've done it myself many times.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jul 2014

When I was a kid, I got "switched" more than a few times right here in 'Murka. And, it was still legal then.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
9. It's interesting that your concern is for the school
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jul 2014

When I was in a British school it was perfectly normal and acceptable to get corporal punishment by any and all teachers for any 'offense'. Among the offenses were talking out of turn, not addressing the teacher as 'sir' or 'ma'am', not standing when a teacher entered the room, questioning or disagreeing with a teacher and sometimes just standing up to a teacher and refusing to extend a hand to be whipped with a ruler, or questioning the imminent action of corporal punishment.

Maybe you think the school was in the right.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
22. You may call youself a liberal but in my opinion no liberal
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jul 2014

would say what you say. Or feel it for that matter. Just my opinion.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
23. im not saying that i think this is just, i dont, i think it's overly harsh and completely
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jul 2014

unnecessary. zero tolerance didn't just pop up out of nowhere

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. That's ridiculous.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:20 PM
Jul 2014

A 5 year old isn't going to know better. When I was a kid, my younger brothers and I would play in a flooded ditch in front of our house after a rain. My youngest brother, about 5, would get his pants so wet and heavy they wouldn't stay up. So he would take them off. Neighbors would call our mom, she would walk out to street with shorts or bathing suit to put on him. No big deal, no scolding, no signing a confession, etc. This situation is blown way out of proportion. Principal should have simply told the boy not to remove his pants, sent him back to class, and then discussed it privately with parents.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
12. How is that possible?
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

First of all, you don't want to label a kid like that, because labels can have a huge influence on children for the rest of their lives. Second of all, a child that age isn't even capable of "sexual misconduct". Making him sign a paper he's unlikely to understand is pointless. Is it really so hard to make wise decisions on a case by case basis? Have our minds become so feeble that we can only implement zero tolerance and by-the-book policies with little or no regard for the human beings said policies will impact?

Then again, we're a country that is okay with convicting children as adults, and not too many people seem to have a problem with this. We're a country where immigrants and other Americans gather together on the 4th of July to scream at displaced women and children, dehumanizing them by referring to them as "illegals", a word they like to spit out with such contempt that it's cringe-inducing, while truly believing this makes them Patriotic and noble, rather than the cruel, inhumane and ugly human beings they are. I am seriously beginning to think that we as a country are going collectively insane. When a country starts treating children they way we do, then that country is on the path of losing its soul and everything that makes it good.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
13. The world gets crazier everyday
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jul 2014

Did anyone talk to the kids that told him to pull his pants down.

For Pete's sake if their all 5 years old just tell them it's not allowed and tell parents to.
That should be the end of the story! This is not a big deal.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
14. This zero tolerance bullshit makes me so so glad I'm not a kid in this insane era of America
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jul 2014

The school administrators who devise and implement these policies instead of using common sense need to be pointed to and humiliated for the rest of their lives the way this kid will be, when called a sexual offender for this petty shit.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
15. Good. Catch the pedophiles early.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jul 2014

Pulling his pants down around all those elementary school kids. Hopefully he's on the sex offender registry for life.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
16. In my kindergarten being a "man" was peeing through the chain link fence in the playground corner...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jul 2014

... whenever the supervisors were not paying attention.

I never got into any trouble for that.

But I did get in trouble for building a "campfire" in the sandbox.

Wax paper milk cartons are easily ignited and burn well.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
17. Blaming the victim...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jul 2014

...a 5 year old victim. Actually, victimized twice; once by the bully and again by the adults that he's supposed to trust. Sad.

TYY

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