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malaise

(269,106 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:31 AM Jul 2014

Monica Lewinsky gooooooooooooooafuggingway!

When I was 20 I too made choices and I was responsible for every single one of them.
Since you didn't ask your parents permission to get down below his desk, I don't know how he owed your parents an apology. You are an adult at 20.

Many older men approached me (as they do all young women) but I never saw a single politician (or anyone else for that matter) as some superior being who could make me do what I didn't want to do.
Indeed I usually responded in a way that made them avoid me big time. I simply threatened to tell everyone including media folks and their wives.

Fuck off Monica - enough already!!

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Monica Lewinsky gooooooooooooooafuggingway! (Original Post) malaise Jul 2014 OP
Wait - JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #1
She was interviewed on the show malaise Jul 2014 #2
She wants Bill Clinton to apologize to her parents? AlbertCat Jul 2014 #13
I don't know if she was a groupie or not JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #22
Abuse of power? nope AlbertCat Jul 2014 #28
She made clear her agenda. antiquie Jul 2014 #3
Andplanning to cash in on those kneepads financially or politically malaise Jul 2014 #4
They have Monica brand knee pads now? L0oniX Jul 2014 #8
I bet those knee pads have little drawings of cigars all over them SummerSnow Jul 2014 #53
More Scarsdale Jul 2014 #40
Whoopie will eat her up. antiquie Jul 2014 #57
There was more. Beacool Jul 2014 #62
Most kindergartners know that you aren't supposed... 3catwoman3 Jul 2014 #79
True, but a sensible, moral President would have quietly told someone to have the karynnj Jul 2014 #97
I'll stop watching The View if they hire her. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #82
Let's face it. Monica wants to be the fourth Kardashian. Nedsdag Jul 2014 #52
I certainly empathize with young interns who are taken advantage of by their bosses IronLionZion Jul 2014 #5
"taken advantage of"..Bullshit...She knew full well what she was doing... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #7
I know, but I still empathize IronLionZion Jul 2014 #9
Not if the older person in this scenario is a well-known horn-dog... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #10
they were both consenting adults AlbertCat Jul 2014 #14
Don't back off Iron, you're right Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #17
That gave Clinton a certain amount of power over Lewinsky's career. AlbertCat Jul 2014 #31
Do we have to know that he explicitly threatened her for it to be inappropriate? hughee99 Jul 2014 #37
No, but she threatened to ruin his. Beacool Jul 2014 #65
Good post. Agree. 840high Jul 2014 #32
See #26, no Iron is not. There was no boss factor here. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #33
no he wasnt her boss the congress shut down and she was sent to intern leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #34
I had a plethora of 'bosses' over my lifetime malaise Jul 2014 #58
Bill should have said no IronLionZion Jul 2014 #63
This thread is not about Bill Clinton malaise Jul 2014 #67
Good for you IronLionZion Jul 2014 #78
You can successfully date the boss and not have it fuck up your career -- I did. moriah Jul 2014 #74
I agree 100% JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #23
ESPECIALLY when he is the damn president of the United States and her boss m-lekktor Jul 2014 #25
he wasnt her boss leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #35
Clinton had all the power of a boss Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #46
monica was not vunerable and bill wasnt her boss. and after he's out of office how could leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #49
Now we're playing the sexist card? Give me a break. Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #54
As I recall she first came to attention of Clinton Generic Other Jul 2014 #26
Experience Scarsdale Jul 2014 #43
Just to remind you how it started: the government was shut down question everything Jul 2014 #42
Yep, that's what happened. Beacool Jul 2014 #66
I remember reading her testimony when it was going on MiniMe Jul 2014 #44
She wasn't taken advantage of, she made the first move, he never made any effort to try to be with JI7 Jul 2014 #76
Seconded. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #6
Geez,,,, have yall already forgotten,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2014 #11
You have to work hard to remember who Donna Rice was. (WARNING-racy pic of woman in swimsuit!) MADem Jul 2014 #12
Maybe she should apologize to her parents. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #15
My heart goes out to Monica. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #16
Wow my mouth is hanging open Puglover Jul 2014 #50
No matter how badly she behaves or how disliked she is tea and oranges Jul 2014 #18
Agreed, I sympathize and wish she would get out of the public spotlight IronLionZion Jul 2014 #36
With the righties bringing Monica up again as a way to smear tea and oranges Jul 2014 #47
The righties aren't bringing her up OnlinePoker Jul 2014 #84
A Small Smattering tea and oranges Jul 2014 #87
No sympathy for Monica VA_Jill Jul 2014 #19
Responsible for Choices, what a refreshing concept. Thanks Malaise. nt clarice Jul 2014 #20
Oh, jeez... Hissyspit Jul 2014 #48
? nt clarice Jul 2014 #51
What a spoiled brat! MoonRiver Jul 2014 #21
If she didn't go yapping to Linda Tripp, we're not having this discussion KinMd Jul 2014 #24
her mission was/is clear sympathy and understanding aside reddread Jul 2014 #64
Bill was a fool, but I think it was discussed at length a few years back KinMd Jul 2014 #89
and everything old is new again reddread Jul 2014 #95
I missed the interview... ReRe Jul 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #29
If 20 year olds are not responsible, then Budweiser owed my parents an apology liberal N proud Jul 2014 #30
Gee: Hillary is a probable 2016 Presidential forerunner & Monica is stepping out of the shadows... C Moon Jul 2014 #38
Unfortunately, I don't completely agree with anyone here stevenleser Jul 2014 #39
Everyone was guilty of something in this story. nt IronLionZion Jul 2014 #71
I disagree again. I don't think anyone was guilty of anything outside of Republicans. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #73
Someone told me that she used to live here in the Pearl district in Portland cascadiance Jul 2014 #41
When my sister lived in SoHo, so did Monica AngryAmish Jul 2014 #96
Monica went to the White House with an agenda... Punkingal Jul 2014 #45
She's probably a Russian spy Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #77
Thing is, with Republicans, they get torqued up over sexual behaviors, but think Jesus loved greed. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #55
Is it just a coincidence that she's back in the news now? B Calm Jul 2014 #56
Ha malaise Jul 2014 #59
I agree and she was 22 at the time. Beacool Jul 2014 #60
A song that describes Monica-NSFW hobbit709 Jul 2014 #61
There were many, many Dems rusty fender Jul 2014 #68
Do you see a defense of Clinton here malaise Jul 2014 #70
Joe Lieberman knew what time it was reddread Jul 2014 #72
I don't think many Dems thought what Clinton did was right.. KinMd Jul 2014 #90
I was in the military from age 18-22 Skittles Jul 2014 #69
were you kicking ass in the military ? :p nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #80
in combat boots Skittles Jul 2014 #83
I bet the boots were uncomfortable ? nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #85
mmmmmm no Skittles Jul 2014 #92
i agree, it's not like she was some teenager JI7 Jul 2014 #75
I'd love to see the results of a DU poll malaise Jul 2014 #86
DU Rec! In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #81
bullcrap of the worst kind. He took advantage of her. period. cali Jul 2014 #88
no, she made the first move , he was stupid for doing what he did in itself JI7 Jul 2014 #93
You are giving a response any supervisor would give former9thward Jul 2014 #91
slut shaming an inconvenient woman Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #94
I wonder how this conversation would go if she had sucked off George W. Bush instead? Throd Jul 2014 #98

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
1. Wait -
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jul 2014

She wants Bill Clinton to apologize to her parents?

BTW - I agree with you - at 20 I made my own choices . . . And we are now the same (Monica and me that is). It's like she wants us all (her peers) to forget that the hook up 90's ever existed.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
13. She wants Bill Clinton to apologize to her parents?
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:22 AM
Jul 2014

Should her parents apologize to Bill?

Groupies are groupies.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
22. I don't know if she was a groupie or not
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jul 2014

I'm not willing to go that far.

I do think though - if she wants to move beyond it - move beyond it.

Man in power/authority - is a man in power/authority. Abuse of power? Yep.

But the 15 minutes are up - move on. Build your life. Build it 'not' around this since you are now being quoted as saying you want that.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
28. Abuse of power? nope
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jul 2014

She wasn't abused. She got what she wanted. She isn't a victim. (see post #3 below)

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
3. She made clear her agenda.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jul 2014
Monica Lewinsky had a long-running affair with a married man -- her high school drama teacher. It began just after Lewinsky's graduation in 1991, and ended in 1997, when his wife found out. During that time Lewinsky often babysat for their children.

In June 1995, when Lewinsky landed her internship in White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta's office, she reportedly told friends, "I'm going to the White House to get my presidential kneepads."

http://www.nndb.com/people/588/000025513/


(emphasis is mine)

malaise

(269,106 posts)
4. Andplanning to cash in on those kneepads financially or politically
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:34 AM
Jul 2014

would be the only reason not to send one's dress to the laundry

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
40. More
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014

The couple moved because of her, and she followed them!! Now there is talk that "The View" might hire her. Who wants to see her fat mug on TV daily? What does she have to offer? (I mean apart from what she offered Bill)

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
62. There was more.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jul 2014

She stalked the guy, befriended his wife and managed to get her to let her babysit their children. When he found out who was babysitting his kids, he was appalled.

IMO, there's something wrong with this woman. How many 22 years old would deliver a pizza to the president and then proceed to flash the elastic of her thong at him?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
97. True, but a sensible, moral President would have quietly told someone to have the
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jul 2014

HR person in charge of the interns tell her she was no longer an intern - not to ever try to use the position on a resume and learn such behavior is not acceptable in any office, much less the WH.

There is blame on both sides.

Nedsdag

(2,437 posts)
52. Let's face it. Monica wants to be the fourth Kardashian.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jul 2014

She feels if Kim can make money off of a sex tape and go out in public without shame and make money off of it, then why can't she do the same thing?

IronLionZion

(45,475 posts)
5. I certainly empathize with young interns who are taken advantage of by their bosses
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jul 2014

since some of them can be VERY persuasive/manipulating/threatening. While we all know Bill Clinton seems like a great person, so did a 40 year old female teacher I know. Everyone likes her. No one would ever think of her as a predator. No one would believe she has a hidden dark side. It's not easy to say no to such a person. Who knows what the truth is with Bill and Monica, dude had a long history of fucking around and we know he's very charismatic and popular.

When I was 20 (not too long ago) I didn't know jack shit about such things. Good for you for being more savvy.

I think Monica is going about it all wrong, it looks like her motivations are for money and publicity, not to empower young people to say no or anything honorable like that.

IronLionZion

(45,475 posts)
9. I know, but I still empathize
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jul 2014

the older married person is supposed to know better than the younger dumber person. Older people are responsible for the safety and well being of younger people.



 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
10. Not if the older person in this scenario is a well-known horn-dog...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jul 2014

...this was not new behaviour from either party...both were adults...and therein lies my biggest problem...they were both consenting adults...but the rethuglicans impeached him anyway...

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
14. they were both consenting adults
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jul 2014

Just needs repeating.


I don't think Bill had to do much coercing.


No one cares about Monica's tacky behavior (or Bill's) anyway..... unless political/financial points can be had

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
17. Don't back off Iron, you're right
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jul 2014

In this situation, Bill Clinton was more than just an older charismatic man. He was Lewinsky's boss. Let that sink in. He was Lewinsky's boss. That gave Clinton a certain amount of power over Lewinsky's career.

Yes, Lewinsky was an adult, and she had an agenda as well. But this is not like a 50-50 affair that began on a subway, or anything like that. A closer analogy would be that of a distinguished married professor having an affair with his sophmore research assistant. Legal, but very, very unethical. And any reasonable person would condemn the professor's behavior.

As a side note, it really saddens me how people will twist and turn to defend the indefensible, as long as the accused is one of their own. And yes, everybody, left and right, has done it, since time began.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
31. That gave Clinton a certain amount of power over Lewinsky's career.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jul 2014

So, you know he threatened to ruin her career if she didn't acquiesce?

Let's see your proof. Is it in that 75 million dollar report?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
37. Do we have to know that he explicitly threatened her for it to be inappropriate?
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jul 2014

Under normal circumstances (when the person isn't someone with the "right" politics), this behavior isn't acceptable. The rule of thumb isn't that the boss has to threaten someone's job on video in front of witnesses for it to be unacceptable.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
65. No, but she threatened to ruin his.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jul 2014

She became obsessed with him like she had previously been with her drama teacher. Of course he was an idiot for getting involved with her in the first place.

She kept trying to get to Clinton through his private secretary, Betty Currie. That's around the time that he sent her out of the WH. In her new post she started confiding on another person who was no longer in the WH either and was pissed off about it, Linda Tripp. Monica would spew her tales of woe and Tripp would record their conversations.

Oh what a tangled web we weave...........

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
34. no he wasnt her boss the congress shut down and she was sent to intern
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jul 2014

he couldnt fire her. he could request another staffer but that was abut it

Yes, Lewinsky was an adult, and she had an agenda as well" this is were you should have ended.
my guess is if this were ron lewinski and hillary clinton people would have less of a problem with what went on

malaise

(269,106 posts)
58. I had a plethora of 'bosses' over my lifetime
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jul 2014

and very few didn't make advances.
I simply never played games with them - never made suggestions and certainly never showed any of them my thongs (well I've never owned one of those anyway). We make choices - I said no and never put myself in a situation where they could take advantage of me. Most men back off the minute you respond to overtures by asking them how they'd feel if their wife knew what they were suggesting?
Those very public photos of Monica speak volumes - she sure looks terrified -NOT.





Which sane woman without an agenda doesn't have her dress washed or dry cleaned but preserves it and trips all over herself for ReTHUGs.
Fuck Monica Lewinsky!!! She's crawling out for another paycheck.

IronLionZion

(45,475 posts)
63. Bill should have said no
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jul 2014

Big Dawg screwed up and he knows it and has admitted as much. He listed that as one of his 3 biggest failures along with Rwanda and health care reform.

IronLionZion

(45,475 posts)
78. Good for you
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jul 2014

You're a stronger, more savvy person than I was. My story wasn't so happy. The consequences for me just never end.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
74. You can successfully date the boss and not have it fuck up your career -- I did.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jul 2014

It helped that we were hired by the company with the full knowledge that we were an item, and we worked together 50+ hours a week then came home together. They also saw that I worked my ass off.

What's more amazing is that our relationship survived until I got offered a better job, not my career.

Bosses screwing subordinates is not always verboten, but it certainly adds a complication to a relationship that I would not recommend. And screwing a married boss is just fucking insane.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
25. ESPECIALLY when he is the damn president of the United States and her boss
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jul 2014

also he was basically being anally probed by his rightwing enemies in search for reasons to impeach him looking to fabricate scandals and he hands him a real one on a silver platter. what in FUCK was he thinking? yeah pooor Bill Clinton, that evil seductress/harpie young enough to be his daughter, Monica Lewinsky held a gun to his poor , innocent head. jesus fucking christ.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
46. Clinton had all the power of a boss
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jul 2014

Clinton did not hire Lewinsky. And neither did he sign her paychecks (yes, I know she was an intern).

But Clinton gave her orders. Shuffle these papers, or whatever. And he could have had her promoted, in an instant. Or had her removed, in an instant. That's the power of a boss.

It is very much like a temp agency sending a person to work at a law firm. The temp agency hires the person, and cuts the paychecks for the person. But you had better believe that the head lawyer at the firm is the temp's boss.

Look, I'm a fan of Bill Clinton (except for NAFTA, but that's another story). But don't you see, to excuse his behavior here is to green-light that sort of behavior in general.

In this particular case, Lewinsky was most probably a very willing participant. But that's not always true! Clinton's behavior here must be condemned, not excused away. Let's error on the side of protecting the vulnerable.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
49. monica was not vunerable and bill wasnt her boss. and after he's out of office how could
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jul 2014

he affect her promotion.

but perhaps the key to all this difference of opinon is in your statement refering to her as "vulnerable". seeing this adult as vulnerable is sexist - implying that she is incapable of taking care of herself - she went there with or for (cant remember how she put it )her "presidential kneepads" this was not a vulnerable woman

see reply 26 as well

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
54. Now we're playing the sexist card? Give me a break.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jul 2014

A vulnerable person is any person who is (in any way) under the control of another. That in and of itself is not a bad thing. For example, my boss can give me a raise. Or my boss can fire me. Yes, I'm vulnerable in this particular situation. And it's normal. Nothing to get upset about.

The problem is when a vulnerability is exploited for venal reasons. As in, suppose I'm a week away from a pay review, and my boss says to me "Shemp, I'm collecting for my favorite charity. Can I put you down for $1000?" My vulnerability is being exploited. Gender has nothing to do with it.

As for Lewinsky, she was in a vulnerable position, even if she was the one who initiated the affair, as seems probable. And that was NOT because she was a woman. It was because Clinton had great power, and she did not.

There are rules against generals fraternizing with privates. And there are rules against prison guards fraternizing with inmates. Those rules make sense, regardless of who initiated the affair.




Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
26. As I recall she first came to attention of Clinton
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jul 2014

by flipping up her skirt and showeing off her thong undies. How exactly is that being taken advantage of? It seems more an offering to me.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
43. Experience
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jul 2014

Her parents should apologize for failing to teach her some morals. She chased after married men before. Knowing he was married, why did she go after him?

question everything

(47,510 posts)
42. Just to remind you how it started: the government was shut down
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014

and Monica brought a pizza to Clinton. On her way out, she "showed" him her tong underwear.

She was not seduced. She seduced him.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
66. Yep, that's what happened.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:44 PM
Jul 2014

How do we know that, thanks to the soft porn publication know as the Starr Report.

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
44. I remember reading her testimony when it was going on
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jul 2014

And She went after Bill, and she admitted it. I don't think Bill was blameless, she came on to him, not the other way around.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
76. She wasn't taken advantage of, she made the first move, he never made any effort to try to be with
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jul 2014

her before that.

she set out to be with him .

i blame him for cheating and what he did as a married man and president who had wingnuts going after him .

but i know he didn't take advantage of her.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
11. Geez,,,, have yall already forgotten,,,,,
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jul 2014

how the game is played,,,,,, She will have her own weekly reality show by 2016 if Clinton runs for Prez.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. You have to work hard to remember who Donna Rice was. (WARNING-racy pic of woman in swimsuit!)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:15 AM
Jul 2014

And she was involved in an ENORMOUS scandal and her face was on every front page. FWIW, I think, frankly, it's ASININE to warn people about a PEOPLE MAGAZINE cover of a young woman in tacky 1980s swimwear, but we've got some people here who get agitated and personally affronted if that doesn't happen, so...there ya go.






And she's in public life, too, still. She's involved in the "anti-pornography" movement (having to do with internet safety for children, apparently). And, from all appearances, on "the other side" (I would assume that means she's a Republican!).



But I'll bet plenty couldn't name her on a bet, if shown a pic of her today, or back then.

I'll bet most people can't name "The Argentine Firecracker" either. She was a young lady who ended up in the Tidal Basin with Wilbur Mills, the aged and horny Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee (a position that some call the most powerful one in the land--first I look at the purse, after all). FWIW, her (stage) name was Fanne Foxe. She was a businesswoman, too--she made her living as a stripper and a paramour.



That's old Wilbur (No Fool Like An Old Fool) on the left. He was a gentleman, anyway-the drunkard leapt into the Tidal Basin to 'save' Ms. Foxe.

When the scandal blew, old Wilbur doubled down and resisted pressure to leave Congress--he even came on stage with her when she was working the old Pilgrim Theater in Boston!



That's old Wilbur on the left, again.


It took forever for Wilbur to be convinced to shuffle off to obscurity, but he did, and Fanne did so as well in short order (to her homeland) after writing a book.

Ms. Lewinsky has had nearly two decades to reinvent herself--it's curious that all she STILL wants to do is talk about "that." Yes, it was a tough thing to overcome, all that notoriety, but I get the sense she hasn't even tried. She went over to London where people CARE about it less, but she hasn't gone to any effort to associate herself with any sort of industry, purpose, goal, etc. She went to school for a bit and made an HBO film about ... THAT. She co-authored a book about ... THAT. She sold handbags for a bit, but it was obvious she was trading on her notorious reputation and that fizzled out when her cachet faded. Now she's back doing a photo spread and essay for Vanity Fair about ... THAT.

I think her story is one that is over. If she wants to be remembered for one thing, she's doing a "Heckuva job." She has had, and continues to have, a few years to change her reality, but that window is closing and faster than she thinks. As the years pass, options get fewer. Middle age turns into old age quick as a wink, and reinvention gets harder when you're old. She needs to get serious, or resign herself to having her one "accomplishment" chiseled on her gravestone.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. My heart goes out to Monica.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jul 2014

And this part just sucks.

"Many older men approached me (as they do all young women) but I never saw a single politician (or anyone else for that matter) as some superior being who could make me do what I didn't want to do.
Indeed I usually responded in a way that made them avoid me big time. I simply threatened to tell everyone including media folks and their wives."

Fucking good for you. Shows a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to things young women face in this world. Shows a complete lack of knowledge with respect to the culture many women are raised in.

While you are so concerned over something someone you claim to give a shit less about said, you have truly let your slip show.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
50. Wow my mouth is hanging open
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jul 2014

reading all of this "sex shaming" of a woman on a progressive board.

I am not a Lewinsky fan and it's a simple fact that Clinton should have used better judgment.

Do I think he owes her or her family an apology? No.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
18. No matter how badly she behaves or how disliked she is
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jul 2014

I will never feel anything but sympathy for the young woman who had no idea what she was getting into, was slut-shamed by almost everyone, & was betrayed by the odious Linda Tripp.

IronLionZion

(45,475 posts)
36. Agreed, I sympathize and wish she would get out of the public spotlight
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jul 2014

since it can't be helping. Counseling and therapy might help more.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
47. With the righties bringing Monica up again as a way to smear
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jul 2014

another Clinton, I have no recommendations for her, personally. But I wish we could bring this variant of a Republican talking point to a rest!

Having no empathy for the failings of others is something I always imagined to be more a Republican thang than Democrat. But I'm not too old to be shocked.

People have inappropriate sexual relations. Even POTUS, even interns. I suggest we get over reviling one of the participants (the one who has never been able to find her way back!) in a long ago sex scandal.

OnlinePoker

(5,724 posts)
84. The righties aren't bringing her up
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jul 2014

She wrote an article for the May Vanity Fair. She has brought herself back into the spotlight.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
87. A Small Smattering
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

w/o linking to anyplace disgusting like Breitbart. Sometimes we (Dems) do this, prop up the right w/o even knowing it.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/republicans-torn-over-how-to-talk-about-monica-lewinsky

[link:http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/01/monica_lewinsky_a_campaign_iss.html|
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/27/1272815/-The-hot-new-Republican-talking-point-against-Hillary-Clinton-is-Monica-Lewinsky]

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/01/monica_lewinsky_a_campaign_iss.html

Edited to remove link to Limbaugh after saying I didn't want to link too anyone repulsive, then I did. Who, after all could be more so? But still that's the kind of folks talking 'bout breathing new life into old shit.

VA_Jill

(9,990 posts)
19. No sympathy for Monica
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jul 2014

Sorry, folks. This girl figured out early that it was okay to sleep her way to the top. She was a CONSENTING ADULT and IMNSHO the kind of girl my grandma always characterized as "no better than she should be." Not that that excuses Clinton, but this goes both ways.

Go away, Monica. Your 15 minutes were up LONG ago.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
21. What a spoiled brat!
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jul 2014

She's the one who should be apologizing to her parents for disgracing them. OF COURSE, Bill was equally responsible, emphasis on EQUALLY.

KinMd

(966 posts)
24. If she didn't go yapping to Linda Tripp, we're not having this discussion
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jul 2014

or if she dry cleaned the blue dress

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
64. her mission was/is clear sympathy and understanding aside
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jul 2014

Bill put everything on the line for that skank.
including Hillary's ambitions.
THAT is the real problem.
not worth discussing?

KinMd

(966 posts)
89. Bill was a fool, but I think it was discussed at length a few years back
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jul 2014

it goes under "how someone so smart , be so stupid?"

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. I missed the interview...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jul 2014

If I were Monica, I would have gone to the other side of the earth (or Canada), grown up, and lived a normal life and never looked back.

Response to malaise (Original post)

liberal N proud

(60,339 posts)
30. If 20 year olds are not responsible, then Budweiser owed my parents an apology
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jul 2014

After all, if it wasn't for them, I might have completed college in 4 years and done architecture instead of engineering.



C Moon

(12,219 posts)
38. Gee: Hillary is a probable 2016 Presidential forerunner & Monica is stepping out of the shadows...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jul 2014

I believe there's Koch Kash involved here.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. Unfortunately, I don't completely agree with anyone here
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jul 2014

#1 - This is not a boss/abuse of power situation. She wanted Clinton, threw up her skirt to show him her underwear. She made all of the first moves. She was an adult and not only a consenting one to this situation, she initiated it. That is not an abuse of power issue as some are claiming.

#2 - I still feel sorry for her. She should not have been sex-shamed and subjected to any humiliation (nor should Bill, as far as I am concerned). She did not deserve that at all. Unfortunately, those responsible for it don't care and can't be touched. The only people who she can go to/after are the Clintons. I wish she wouldn't do it, but her life was for all practical intents and purposes destroyed and no one else involved cares at all for any reason.

I do not believe in sex-shaming (I wont use the other term) adults for consensual sex with other adults. There is plenty of non-consensual sex to worry about. Once we resolve that issue, we can consider going after consensual sex. I won't agree even then, but there is no point to it with all of the sexual assault issues we have.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
41. Someone told me that she used to live here in the Pearl district in Portland
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014

and even pointed out the housing complex where they thought she lived next to theirs around 2008 when I first moved here. I won't go as far as noting the building, but it was right before the 2008 election, and I was kind of curious at the time if anyone saw any of the Clintons venture close to there during campaign season or not. I guess the Clintons were smart enough to stay away, even though Obama had a pretty huge rally in this city earlier that year not too far away.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
96. When my sister lived in SoHo, so did Monica
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jul 2014

There was a very good Vietnamese restuarant there. Monica would go there, sit by herself and would try to be ignored.

I was tempted when visiting to chat her up. She was still a bit big, and when compared to the models that also hung out there that could take some starch out.

Until you see someone as a human it is easy to tell them what to do. I will always remember her as a prettyish girl who made a ton of enemies.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
45. Monica went to the White House with an agenda...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jul 2014

And she got her "presidential kneepads." The question for me is what is her agenda now, and who is paying her?

BTW, did she ever apologize to Hiliary Clinton? Or to Chelsea, who was a young girl then?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
77. She's probably a Russian spy
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jul 2014

No matter what the public is intrigued with this. I expect if Hillary doesn't run Monica will go back into her shell.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
55. Thing is, with Republicans, they get torqued up over sexual behaviors, but think Jesus loved greed.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jul 2014

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
60. I agree and she was 22 at the time.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jul 2014

I don't condone Bill's behavior. He was older, the president and should have definitely known better. On the other hand, I have no use for women who pursue married men. Bill was not her first affair with a married guy. By her own admission she pursued him, not the other way around. Therefore, she was responsible for her actions. This was not a case of a dirty old man chasing a naïve girl and forced her to do something against her will, quite the contrary.

You play with fire, you get burned.



 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
68. There were many, many Dems
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jul 2014

who defended Clinton's actions in the Lewinsky affair. I wasn't one of them.

As POTUS you have ONE JOB and you have sex in the Oval Office with an intern who is half your age? You didn't have other things to do, like being POTUS? Or the fact that you are married?

Clinton's actions were shameful, and, not for one second, would 99.99% of those defending him at the time would have defended him if he had had an affair with a male intern, or if Clinton had been a Repub.

Hypocrisy, thy name is all of you who still defend Clinton in the Lewinsky affair.

KinMd

(966 posts)
90. I don't think many Dems thought what Clinton did was right..
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jul 2014

just that it didn't rise to the level of impeachment

JI7

(89,259 posts)
75. i agree, it's not like she was some teenager
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jul 2014

and she did make the first move so it wasn't a case of him going after her and pressuring her in any way either.

malaise

(269,106 posts)
86. I'd love to see the results of a DU poll
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jul 2014

with the following question
When you were 20--22, did you show your boss your thongs?? I'm betting that the Nos will be in the high 90s

JI7

(89,259 posts)
93. no, she made the first move , he was stupid for doing what he did in itself
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jul 2014

but he sure didn't take advantage of her.

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
91. You are giving a response any supervisor would give
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:09 PM
Jul 2014

to a sexual harassment charge by an intern. Bill Clinton was in a extremely powerful position. It was he that started the process and the young woman should not be blamed.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
98. I wonder how this conversation would go if she had sucked off George W. Bush instead?
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jul 2014

Everything else being equal.

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