Guys: What If?

[sheshe2]

You think these decision's are only about women? Seriously? Think about that for a moment, would you, then get back to me. Thanks in advance.

It's the GOP creep and I mean that in every way. It creeps me out that they have such an unhealthy fixation on women's bodies and their functions. They are now voyeurs. They are creeping into our bedrooms and into our doctors office. I know women are creeped out by this. So how about all you guys?

[In_The_Wind]

1. It creeps me out.

[sheshe2]

2. Yes, and that does not surprise me in the least, I_T_W.

Creeps me out how many men are reacting here.

[In_The_Wind]

3. You and I are the only ones here.

[sheshe2]

4. Well, I know that. :)

Yet you would not believe what I read in GD today!

[hlthe2b]

8. I'd bet I saw what you did....

Good gawd, what I saw today...
and this a day or so after a long term poster stated this was a women's fight and others stating clearly the whole issue "bored" them and we needed to stop posting about it.

[sheshe2]

12. Yup you read the same threads as I did.

Sooo............



Together, hlthe2b!

[IrishAyes]

26. Guess it's a good thing I skipped GD today then, isn't it? I'd have gone on a tear.

They sound like flippin' conservatives! In fact, I'd bet your bottom dollar some of them are trolls, and I don't have to smell 'em up close to know that, anymore than I have to open an outhouse door to know it stinks in there.

[bettyellen]

51. and some are hosts insulting our Mr Green, who is gravely ill, as well as women and progressives.

yeah, it stinks.

[IrishAyes]

53. If it walks like a troll and writes like a troll, it sure stinks.

[doxydad]

5. MY dog was in the fight!

He's an old dog now, tired, limps, can't see, but still no puppies after 39 years of wedded bliss. I guarantee that you're NOT alone in this fight!

Thanks for the post!

[sheshe2]

6. Hey doxydad!

Thank for your years of support, doggone...

[IrishAyes]

27. Thanks. We need all the help we can get.

What if we - especially the older ones - had decided 'Nam for instance was just a man's fight that bored us so we didn't want to hear about it???

[obxhead]

7. Creeps me out doesn't even begin to describe it.

I honestly don't know how to put my anger into words. I'm against avoidable abortion, 100% for the option to have one, and infuriated by losing help in avoiding one.

As a guy, I can only partially comprehend the issue, but I am fully outraged by it.

[sheshe2]

14. Excellent, odxhead!

We will be heard. GOTV2014!

[blkmusclmachine]

9. ,

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[BrotherIvan]

10. A big AMEN!

Any guy who thinks this won't affect him needs to wake up. The fundies want women AND men to live like they do. Just ask Rick Santorum. Or Romney.

But now that I think about it, how many kids does Ryan have? Shouldn't we all go on witch hunts now to find out who's breaking the faith? Or our pro-life Democrats? Because if you don't have kids in the double digits, you're going to hell! Just ask Jesus, he had...oh wait.

[sheshe2]

15. DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[Skidmore]

11. Passing this one on.

Thanks, she.

[WillyT]

13. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[William769]

16. If every woman I ever slept with had a baby, that would be a whole lot of immaculate conceptions!

but back to your OP, Kick & recommended.

[sheshe2]

17. Damn, I love that you make me laugh even when I want to explode!

You are a good friend William!

[AAO]

18. I sleep with my wife every night - that would be a disaster!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. Then there's THIS...

[3catwoman3]

58. That kid is either an excellent actor...

...or has pulled that a few times IRL -

[mercuryblues]

20. I said

Last edited Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)

in another post.

After 20+ years of marriage, if the laws the religious right want were in place, we would have upwards of 15 kids. This is most definitely a man's concern.

[IronLionZion]

21. Oh shit

I can't deal with this. My life would be over. Those poor kids.

Vasectomy would be better.

[hunter]

22. My religious parents, and my wife's religious parents...

... figured it out after they'd had a few more kids than they could comfortably support.

My mom's doctor was explicit.

"Don't do this again. You and your next baby could die."

So my dad got a vasectomy.

My own kids have many cousins, in one's, two's, and a single three sibling batch. This is the way it ought to be.

[Godot51]

23. Argument...

The same argument could also be made for abortion; an accidental, unwanted pregnancy could and would affect a "real" man's life as much as the mother's (a "real" man as in one who wouldn't cut and run).

[sheshe2]

31. I think you are missing the point here.

This is not about abortion, it is about BC. And no, BC is not an abortion. You do realize that do you not?

And I am not really interested what "real" men want. This is a woman's decision to use BC, not the courts and not her employers. It is a woman's right to chose to become pregnant or not.

[Shivering Jemmy]

34. I believe you misread that user's post.

[sheshe2]

35. No, I did not.

There is nothing in my OP that talks about abortion. This is about contraception to prevent a pregnancy.

[cyberswede]

39. It's health care. Insurance should cover it.

Welcome to DU.

[cyberswede]

49. Ah...the "personal responsibility" canard. Predictable.

Enjoy your stay.

On edit: bye bye! Oh...and to Juror #7

Author: tracentrace
Subject = Who is disagreeing with you?

Alerter comments: troll signed up to defend hobbylobby decision

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: troll
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I strongly disagree with the poster, but I'm not convinced the post violates the TOS.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Pfffft.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You want an appendectomy, pay for one. Don't hit others up for it.
You want hypertensive medicine, pay for it. Don't hit others up for it.

Trolling trolling trolling, keep those trollies rolling, trolling trolling trolling, so wrong!

[sheshe2]

52. Thanks for posting that cyberswede.

When I first saw their response, I checked, they had been a member for 9 minutes!

A whole 18 minute member of DU, from start to finish!

[liberalhistorian]

57. WTF? "You want an appendectomy,

pay for one, don't hit others up for it." WTF? Who the fuck WANTS an appendectomy? It's an emergency medical situation that no one wants and isn't "caused" by anything, and you MUST have an appendectomy if you don't want to either die or become gravely ill/injured. It's not as if it's a shiny new bauble or new car that you must have but expect others to just give you, for God's sake. I will never, ever understand people who consider health care, especially emergencies, to be just another consumer item that you have a choice regarding and that you should be denied needed care, or punished legally, if you cannot pay for. Attitudes like that are enough to make me physically ill.

[ProfessorPlum]

61. Totally, totally, totally agree with this frustratingly excellent and obvious point

I heard some people bitching that women get more healthcare than men. Christ, it isn't like "getting healthcare" is entertaining. It's usually agonizing and frightening and unpleasant, and even worse when it is all of that and also making you go broke. I'm delighted when I don't "get healthcare" because it usually means I don't need it. Knock on wood.

[The Magistrate]

40. You A Special Little Snowflake, Fella, Ain'tcha....

[sheshe2]

47. Thank you Sir!

You just made me laugh.

[ZombieHorde]

43. Insurance is mandated,

and I think mandated insurance should cover whatever the doctor orders.

[BrotherIvan]

56. + infinity

This should be an OP. Absolutely to the point of the HL fiasco.

[sheshe2]

44. Wow, you have been a member of DU for a whole 9 minutes!!!!

Guess you may not have read about the SCOTUS ruling yet, you know the one where women are being discriminated against??? HMMMM

[uppityperson]

45. What other medicines do you think should not be covered by insurance?

[sheshe2]

48. Well that was quick.

They be gone!

[smirkymonkey]

54. Not a moment too soon.

[Android3.14]

42. I agree with you on this one

Because the law of the land is such that a pregnant woman can make decisions about birth control that could also affect the rest of any man's life, men do have a dog in this fight.

I am grateful the women I slept with had the good sense to use birth control. Any dude with a dick knows that talking to an intimate woman about birth control is an absolute necessity. And every dude with a dick knows that there have been times when good sense has fallen silent to the forces of hormones and desire. Contraception is a shared responsibility between the individuals in a couple. When she doesn't have protection, a man picks up the slack and uses a condom.

Sex is better without a condom. If the government wins on this one, a lot of guys will have to use a fricken' rubber condom for the rest of their lives.

We men do have a dog in this fight.

[sheshe2]

50. Thanks Android, you explained it well.

Contraception is indeed a shared responsibility.

Damn! This is a great statement of yours, that can be used to stimulate (pun intended) the conversation that this is not just a woman's problem.

Sex is better without a condom. If the government wins on this one, a lot of guys will have to use a fricken' rubber condom for the rest of their lives.

Well said!!!!!

[smirkymonkey]

55. Yes, good point.

Another good point would be that if abortion becomes outlawed, women would be able to sue the biological fathers for child support whether they were married or not. With DNA testing, paternity would not be so hard to prove anymore.

[Babel_17]

24. Well in defense of the hardcore GOP members

Back in their younger days, if a woman they "had an understanding with" encountered some "female problems", they'd then arrange for some funds to come her way and ... problem solved.

This newfangled way is unseemly.

:satire:

[napkinz]

25. re It's the GOP creep and I mean that in every way.

the Supreme Creeps!

[IrishAyes]

28. You realize you've just ruined Li'l Rascals reruns for me, don't you?

It will take extreme mental discipline to blot THAT picture out of my mind.

[napkinz]

29. I just realized they left out Justice Kennedy

They could have used Mickey, Froggy, or Butch I suppose.

[IrishAyes]

32. Butch.

[napkinz]

33. he was the BULLY

nt

[SummerSnow]

30. And let's say the Rethugs make it impossible for women to get

birth control altogether. Do you think all sexually active males will invest in condoms? Don't think so.

[calimary]

36. It creeps me out, big time. THIS, from a political party that yells and screams for smaller

government - for government to get out of your life and your privacy, and off your back. So I guess they reason that the government has to go somewhere, so let's insert it into a woman's womb. Or hey, kids! How 'bout up her vagina! Yay!!!




Where I come from, forcible entry into a woman's womb, or her vagina, is called RAPE. PURE AND SIMPLE. Therefore, what the GOP espouses and is trying to shove down our throats (and up our vaginas) is state-sponsored rape. And state-sanctioned rape.

That is ALL.

[sheshe2]

37. I know this is 2 years old, however....

Rape Crisis Center Funding is 'Pork,' Says Awful Governor Nikki Haley

Maybe possibly probably not Veepstakes contender and South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley vetoed a bunch of stuff this week, claiming all of it is "pork." Among the pork she declared unkosher? Funding for the arts, and unnecessary shit that the taxpayers don't need to pay for, like funding for victims of domestic violence and rape. Quit mooching, victims! Pay for your own damn rape-doctor, or whatever!

Haley slashed a half million dollars from the state's rape crisis center, which exists to help victims of sexual assault navigate the legal system alongside trained advocates, so they don't have to do it alone, according to WISTV. The center's director expressed dismay that Haley seems to think that it's doing "the taxpayer" a disservice to help women who have been raped.

"The taxpayer" is Tea Party code for "white dudes," btw. If you're a lady, you're not a taxpayer. You're a dishwasher!

snip

Well, if only a small portion of the chronically ill or abused will be shat on, I guess it's okay. Carry on with the fuckery, Haley.

http://jezebel.com/5925622/rape-crisis-center-funding-is-pork-says-awful-governor-nikki-haley

[Uncle Joe]

41. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sheshe.

[Ilsa]

59. Fundies want everyone to practice Natural Family Planning.

Nevermind that some women have irregular cycles, meaning they could have sex right before an unexpectedly early ovulation, causing a pregnancy. Or that work, work travel, fatigue, stress, etc could interfere with opportunity for coitus during nonfertile periods. If prescribed contraception had not been available, there were times when my husband and I would have only rarely had sex. Real life gets in the way of NFP.

Some NFP proponents push the idea that couples grow closer while having to wait for sex. But there are many couples whose sex drives are stronger and wouldn't be happy with waiting.

[locdlib]

60. The way the trolls talk about birth control

is in terms of something that only affects women. They are so profoundly stupid that they cannot figure out that both the man and the woman determine when/if they want children. It all comes down to them seeing as children as the ultimate punishment for people having sex.