If she's elected I fear she'll bomb something immediately to prove she's Tough Enough

[elehhhhna]

flame away

[snooper2]

1. I think Bildo O'Liely said the exact same thing recently

[elehhhhna]

13. So? Hitler said "good morning" once. wtf does that have to do with anything?

[snooper2]

20. Hitler never said good morning, ever- Here are his actual final words- EVER

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. WTF does your OP have to do with reality?

Your thoughts are not our problem. You don't appear to have arrived at them by any form of reasoning. Perhaps you fell asleep while listening to Bill O'Reilly, and that's how it got into your head. The only explanation so far, anyway.

[elehhhhna]

28. Look muriel, you and I agree much more than we disagree

but I've wanted to say that (the OP) for months. I feel she is a somewhat cravenly opportunistic corporatist poli and given her sorry/not sorry IWR vote and subsequent verbal acrobatics about it plus her I'm a toughguy stance on recent Mideast developments, I DO FEAR she will attack something early on in her first term just to make a point. Hopefully prior to her winning a Nobel Peace Prize. Don't like my opinion? HIDE IT.

[snooper2]

39. WTF is an "ook muriel"? And why are you one?

I did a google image search for ook muriel and this was the first hit-


HUH?

Muriel Sarkany stopt met muurklimmen: Ook outdoor nog doelen

?maxheight=460&maxwidth=629&format=jpg

[elehhhhna]

67. ook muriel lol geez youse guys

[LordGlenconner]

52. Answer: Nothing.

Just "look at me I can be controversial!1!" flame bait.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Who are you talking about?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

48. I think I saw this once on TV.

Notice the meticulous choreographing of every detail: The thin, dark-skinned ambassador made to look "extra Africa;" the pathos inspiring backstory of beleaguered women in foreign lands; the room of white, male generals all popping to attention when the female president walks into the room; the US officer of African descent standing-by to attend to the needs of the mission; the swaggering dismissive stride of the Davis' character; the general explaining matter-of-factly the death soon to be visited upon his countrymen; the ambassador stammering and dumbstruck by the message of sexual liberality.

Stirring stuff!

It's all so -- perfect. Hopefully future presidents -- whether female or male -- will avoid the need for such ostentatious displays of war-making power. I think we could all live without that (pun intended). I see no need to single out a particular (potential) candidate, let alone based on gender, when it is something they all fall prey to.

[SidDithers]

3. Warren? I don't think so...nt

Sid

[L0oniX]

5. Like you will be voting.

[MineralMan]

11. Sounds like you won't be voting for her, either.

What's your point? DU has many members who can't vote in the United States.

[L0oniX]

15. Sounds like you are bothered about me not voting for Hillary.

Are you going to stalk me now?

[MineralMan]

18. Not really bothered. You clearly state the fact, right below this subthread.

I don't stalk anybody. I read GD on DU. Sometimes I reply to posts in GD. That's what DU is about. If you post in busy threads, I'm sure I'll see those posts. I may reply to some of them.

[L0oniX]

21. "I don't stalk anybody" ...whatever.

[MineralMan]

89. Do I? Hmm.

Thanks for your thoughtful comment.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

92. It's not a comment. It's a question. nt

[MineralMan]

93. As was my response.

Are you demanding an answer to your rhetorical question? Well, I don't do that. Sorry.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

94. I'm not demanding anything. You refusal to answer my question stands. We're all adults here. nt

[MineralMan]

95. As you say, of course.

Since you self-deleted your question, this ends my participation in this subthread.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

96. I will self-delete nearly every post I make that I feel may be alterted on by anyone out

to get me suspended.

Just so you know, that's my method for now.

[MineralMan]

97. OK. Just so you know, though,

I never alert on any reply to me. It's a matter of ethics. Instead, I reply to the reply. In fact, I rarely alert on anything except serious personal attacks on other DUers. So, you needn't worry about alerts from me if you reply to me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

98. It wasn't you I was worried about. I know your policy on alerting. There are others

here would like like to do to me what others did to nadin.

My question was directed at you, no one else. So, since you already read it and responded, there was no reason for me to take the chance one of my ... fans ... would themselves alert on it.

I think your contribution here is valuable and we'll have our differences. I just feel you dumb down and condescend in the process. And I don't like that. So, I mentioned it. You read it. You reponded. I deleted. No big deal.

As you see in that other thread, I can agree with you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. If she wins the Primary and you DON'T vote for her....YOU sir or madame are no Democrat...

And therefore irrelevent to DU!

[L0oniX]

4. Doesn't matter what she does. I will never vote for her.

Those that do can have the blame.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. So you are outright right here and now admitting you WON'T vote for her if she wins the Primary?

Are you really going to admit that?

Admins are you listening?

[elehhhhna]

70. ADMINS!! Thought crime in aisle 5!!!1!11

HYPOTHETICAL EXTRAPOLATION also, too!

[VanillaRhapsody]

117. Not hypothetical at all....IF you won't vote for the winner of the Primary....whomever that is...

You are not a Democrat.....you may have voted for them in the past.....but if you don't commit to whomever your fellow Democrats chose for their candidate...YOU are Independent not a Democrat. Its that simple.

[SidDithers]

71. Can't wait for Election Season...nt

Sid

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. neither can I....it just cannot come soon enough for me.....are we within 3 mos yet?

[JDPriestly]

86. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more trade agreements and more wars and more lost jobs.

We don't need Hillary. We need Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren has common sense and has not been in D.C. and on Wall Street so long that her head is full of the propaganda of wealthy people.

Hillary did not do the research before voting yes on the Iraq War Resolution.

My congressman did do the research and voted no on it. Goes to show the problem with Hillary Clinton. She does not make the best decisions. Neither did Bill on a number of things including GATT and NAFTA. The TPP negotiations took place in great part when Hillary was in the State Department.

Do you actually like the War in Iraq, GATT, NAFTA and the TPP?

Because if you do, I can understand that you disagree with those of us who do not want Hillary to be president. But if you don't then please explain whether you support Hillary and those trade agreements and if you do, why.

[VanillaRhapsody]

114. So you aren't really a Democrat either then?

because anyone who says they WON'T vote for whomever wins the primary just.....isn't...

[JDPriestly]

118. I'm 71, and I have voted for and worked for Democrats in every election in which I have lived

in the US. The only times I missed were the years I lived overseas. I am a Democrat.

My parents were Democrats. My mother still is and I most definitely am. I am a strong supporter of my Democratic Representative. I will never vote for Dianne Feinstein again. I support Barbara Boxer. I support my local Democratic candidates.

But I have seen too much. I will not support another corporate Democrat. They stole the party from working people. They looked on as unions were destroyed. They blame the Koch Brrothers and the Republicans. But it was the inaction on the part of Democrats, their acquiescence to the values and ideas of the Extreme Right that destroyed the unions in this country.

And now we see the Obama administration, especially the Education Department aiming their rhetoric toward teachers' unions and other public employee unions.

I am not from Wisconsin. But Obama and Hillary were noticeably absent from the valiant struggle of the public employees of that state to maintain their union rights.

No. I will never again vote for a candidate who answers to and favors the right-wing corporate agenda. Never. California is not a swing state. If Hillary can't win here without my vote, she can't win the nation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

119. wow you sure needed alot of words to prove your bonafides....

The fact remains if you aren't committed to voting for the winner of the Primary.....then you are not really Democrat....YOU are an Independent.....no matter what happened in the past.

[JDPriestly]

120. So far, we haven't entered the primaries. I hope to vote for either Elizabeth Warren or

Bernie Sanders depending on which of them runs in the Democratic Primary in California.

I will vote this November for my Democratic representative. The California senators are not up for election.

There is neither a litmus nor a loyalty test in the Democratic Party. I am a registered Democrat.

We don't have a Pope in the Democratic Party, no Pope who can excommunicate those who do not follow Democratic doctrine.

[VanillaRhapsody]

121. that doesn't even matter....YOU cannot commit to voting for the winner of the Primary that WE

Democrats elect....then you are not a Democrat. You are ipso facto an Independent.....

[JDPriestly]

123. Actually, that is up to the Secretary of State of California and the Recorder's or Registrar's

office.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

90. OMG! ADMINS! Someone had an independent thought! EX-TER-MIN-ATE! nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

115. Independent EXACTLY my point....IF you are sooooo "Independent" voting....YOU are not a Democrat....

Simple as that!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

122. Hahahahahaha! nt

[bravenak]

6. Who?

Are we talking about Hillary? We should bring up this concern to her during the primary if she runs. I would not like that at all.
We are doing a primary still, i hope? I like them.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. I love primaries too

[bravenak]

26. So exciting to have the debates!

I see why republicans hate us. Our primaries are real, theirs is like watching bad fake wrestling.

[JustAnotherGen]

30. Excellent analogy!

But they also have a Roman Gladiator feel to them - only they use words to bludgeon each other. It's kind of fun watching their shrill accusations.

[bravenak]

34. Fighting to the death in the arena, with fans screaming for blood in the stands.

Sounds just like the last republican primary.

[Faux pas]

7. No flames total agreement.

ABH.

[trumad]

8. a bunch of sexist dribble.

[riqster]

33. Beat me to it. Nt

[Chan790]

9. Who?!

Hillary: Maybe, doubtful though. She's more contemplative than that.

Warren: Unlikely. Her best bet to take the nomination is to run as the "domestic fixer". Bombing something is exactly opposite the campaign she needs to run.

Minnie Mouse: Yes. Fuck Yes. Oh God, Yes! This is why I don't trust rodents. Beady eyes, small hearts.

[Stellar]

10. What no Tequila?

[liberal N proud]

12. She

She is a pretty broad term. She could be any woman elected.

And elected could be elected to any office?

You must be more specific to really get flamed here!

[spanone]

14. joan rivers?

[CatWoman]

16. *SNARF*

[CincyDem]

17. I agree completely

If Sarah Palin is elected, she will bomb anything that doesn't have a cross atop it. That'll show everyone that she's Tough Enough.

You did mean SP when you said "she" didn't you ???

[riqster]

35. Must have been.

Yupyupyup.

[FSogol]

19. Unrec for attacking needlessly attacking Elizabeth Warren.

[SidDithers]

29. I agree...

Just because Warren has absolutely no foreign policy experience, I don't think that she'd start bombing anyone just to show how tough she can be.

This OP is a pile of dreck.

Sid

[OilemFirchen]

41. I think she will.

That is to say that I've never heard her say that she won't.

Why won't she deny it?

[FSogol]

43. When she wins the election, I'll get bombed!

[OilemFirchen]

46. See?

The first of her potential victims weighs in.

Oh, the humanity!

[FSogol]

50. LOL

[VanillaRhapsody]

65. Oh yes I forgot,....this is Democratic Mindreading Underground!

[grahamhgreen]

23. Every time a bomb drops, someone makes $$$

[MohRokTah]

25. .

[riqster]

36. Best. Image. Ever.

[Squinch]

31. Especially if she's "on the rag." Amirite? Amirite?11? Your OP is disgusting. If you have an

objection to her, say it. Don't play into the asinine sexist crap that everyone will be throwing. You hurt yourself by doing that.

[elehhhhna]

53. Okay. Whatever.

yeah ouch I hurt myself by expressing a valid fear and guess what? Y'all are doing nothing to defuse it. Nothing. You got nothing, I guess.

[Squinch]

57. I need to allay your fears that Hillary will bomb something simply to prove she is tough? I need

to allay some sexist terror of the scary, irrational woman? Well then, you are correct. I have nothing for you there.

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. and you think you've got "something" that is not pure speculation that is?

[tammywammy]

84. Nah, she's gotta be post-menopausal.

She'll bomb during a hot flash. Those women you just can't trust them with the nuclear keys. Cause ya know hormones make us all unstable nut jobs.

[Squinch]

110. I read a while back that post-menopausal women are the most hormonally balanced of all

people of all ages, male or female.

I loved reading that.

[tammywammy]

111. That's interesting.

I've never heard that before. Well nor have I spent a lot of time contemplating menopause since it's a ways away for me.

[Squinch]

113. I'll see if I can find it. If I do, I'll post it to you here.

[KansDem]

32. Wasn't that W's schtick?

[JDPriestly]

91. And Maggie Thatchers.

Thatcher's popularity during her first years in office waned amid recession and high unemployment until the 1982 Falklands War brought a resurgence of support, resulting in her re-election in 1983.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

[hack89]

37. I have some obnoxious neighbors she can practice on. nt

[TeamPooka]

38. Everyone has their own opinion, even if they are just repeating right wing talking points.

[Thinkingabout]

40. Especially when they quote a RW backing up their story.

[sharp_stick]

42. If she's not elected

I fear she's going to unleash an Ebola epidemic against America to retaliate against people who can't stop their own hyperbolic idiocy from getting out of hand.

[OilemFirchen]

44. ...

[Bluenorthwest]

45. This is pretty sexist thinking. Plus, just because Warren was a Republican for so many long years

and supported all the military adventures of Reagan and Bush 41 that's no reason to assume she'd be a mass murderer just to make a point.

[closeupready]

47. She voted for the IWR to "keep faith with" the US military.

So I agree, and I don't think it's an unfounded fear. K&R

[bigtree]

49. because she's a woman?

. . . sexist dribble. Warren should feel as secure as any man in that position; maybe more.

[LittleBlue]

51. Agreed. We need someone strong enough to resist the calls for war

Not someone like Hillary

[elehhhhna]

55. Oh cripes! Don't let facts and history get in the way of all this righteous indignation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. Unlike Romney who actually protested FOR the Viet Nam war from his bunker in France!

[elehhhhna]

73. true story

and he had to sell some stocks to pay his college bills. Oh, the humanity!

[Ash_F]

75. You mean Clinton hasn't voted for war? /nt

[closeupready]

99. I think elehaa was being facetious/sarcastic - i.e., you and she agree.

[Ash_F]

102. Thanks

[VanillaRhapsody]

112. no I think you are wrong....I think she agreed with me....

[CanonRay]

54. I just think we have enough to worry about

without worrying about what someone might do years in the future. Haven't we got enough shit for you to deal with? Worry about who a Republican President would appoint to the SCOTUS...that'll keep you up at night.

[treestar]

56. That's ridiculous

I don't believe that of any person who is a Democrat.

[elehhhhna]

58. And in today's america, belief trumps reality

so you have that going for ya

[treestar]

103. pot calling kettle black

all you have is a "belief" also.

[elehhhhna]

106. BUSTED!!! nahnah boobooo

[Fuddnik]

59. Not like she doesn't have a record.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hillary_clinton_flaunts_her_surveillance_state_baggage_20140707

Who is the true patriot, Hillary Clinton or Edward Snowden? The question comes up because Clinton has gone all out in attacking Snowden as a means of burnishing her hawkish credentials, eliciting Glenn Greenwald’s comment that she is “like a neocon, practically.”

On Friday in England, Clinton boasted that two years ago she had favored a proposal by a top British general to train 100,000 “moderate” rebels to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria, but President Obama had turned her down. The American Thatcher? In that same interview with The Guardian she also managed to get in yet another shot against Snowden for taking refuge in Russia “apparently under Putin’s protection,” unless, she taunted, “he wishes to return knowing he would be held accountable.”

Accountable for telling the truth that Clinton concealed during her tenure as secretary of state in the Obama administration? Did she approve of the systematic spying on the American people as well as on others around the world, including the leaders of Germany and Brazil, or did she first learn of all this from the Snowden revelations?

On Saturday, a carefully vetted four-month investigation by The Washington Post based on material made available by Snowden revealed that while Clinton was in the government, the NSA had collected a vast trove of often intimate Internet correspondence and photos of innocent Americans, including many users of Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other leading Internet companies. The Post reported many files “described as useless by the [NSA] analysts but nonetheless retained ... have a voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes.”

(snip)

[EC]

60. Really? n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

61. This must be some sort of DU insider's thread, or a game where we all have to guess who the fuck

you're talking about. Pronouns needs an objects.

[Ash_F]

77. Yeah, the OP could be about Warren.

[Ed Suspicious]

80. Good point . . . Or anybody really. I figured he was talking about Palin, but I didn't understand

why. Probably just me. Oh well. We don't really need clarity, let's just assume. Sorry for being the bad guy here.

[ecstatic]

62. What have I missed?

[TBF]

69. FFS.

[stevenleser]

72. Between this and the manufactured outrage over Hil's performing her duties as defense counsel for

an accused rapist, the Anti-Hillary crap is getting really deep here today. I'm going to need to put my galoshes on.

[TBF]

82. Seriously -

must be the topic of the day on FAUX news.

[In_The_Wind]

74. The jury results are in.

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[LittleBlue]

100. The PUMAs are back. nt

[hrmjustin]

105. Who here is a puma?

[LanternWaste]

76. Rather the imaginative prophecy you've created

Rather the imaginative prophecy you've created.

[hrmjustin]

78. Is this your view or is this sarcasm?

[JoePhilly]

79. Like the moon?

[treestar]

104. Yeah that's it!

To harvest it for the GMOs!

[JoePhilly]

107. She'll FRACK the moon too!!!

Sounds like an episode of Battle Star Galactica.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. Yep. Tough guy PR is what got us into Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

But, it still remains popular for ambitious politicians like the candidate in question.

[whistler162]

83. Who Sarah Palin or Golda Meir or Indira Gandhi?

[JDPriestly]

85. I very much agree. And all this Benghazi nonsense is intended to goad her on.

[zappaman]

87. I agree but I don't think Palin has a chance of being elected. n/t

[HooptieWagon]

101. Assuming "she" is HRC...

... I doubt "she" would start bombing a country just to prove "she"'s tough. However, I don't trust her judgement... "she" seems more inclined to make a knee-jerk reaction based on political expediency than a measured thoughtful response to a delicate situation.

[amandabeech]

108. I think that Hillary is just naturally hawkish.

She strikes me as being almost Scoop Jackson-esque. She also seems to be more interested in nation or democracy building in chaotic areas of the world, judging by the "Arab Spring" efforts which occurred on her watch as Sec. of State. Those actions seem not to be working out as hoped.

If she is the nominee, I will vote for her because whoever the pubs put up will probably want to bomb half the world back to the stone age. And of course, Hillary would be much better on social issues.

But . . . I'd really like to look at some other candidates, including Sen. Warren and Sen. Sanders.

[kiva]

109. You know, I had a similar fear about Obama in 2008,

I was afraid he'd order that all Muslims in the United States be arrested and executed to prove he was Christian Enough...oh wait, no I wasn't.