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"...She did." (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2014 OP
Well sure..... johnp3907 Jul 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Jul 2014 #26
Don't worry... PosterChild Jul 2014 #32
May wee, say vraymont. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #34
I admire your ambition; you'll need fortitude because English is the most versatile and IrishAyes Jul 2014 #35
Cheese eating surrender monkeys! nt LiberalElite Jul 2014 #40
Uhm ...that phrase/plac was removed a while back and sits in a museum. L0oniX Jul 2014 #2
When and why was it removed, do you know? babylonsister Jul 2014 #3
Yea I was baffled by that too. L0oniX Jul 2014 #4
It is still there, on exhibit inside the pedestal. Tanuki Jul 2014 #5
It's in the museum. L0oniX Jul 2014 #7
It was moved to the museum that is inside the statue. L0oniX Jul 2014 #6
I thought it might have been the Republicans who removed it because ... aggiesal Jul 2014 #33
So true. Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #8
"That's what she said." n/t eggplant Jul 2014 #9
DUzy!! riqster Jul 2014 #13
You Mean Boner and Carnivale Cruz haven't accused Liebrals rustydog Jul 2014 #10
she is now a hostage ... napkinz Jul 2014 #11
Great images! Thanks. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #37
This'll tell my age.... ReRe Jul 2014 #12
Me too evillemike2009 Jul 2014 #14
WOW, I had never heard that before Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2014 #17
Thanks for adding that clip! ;-) n/t ReRe Jul 2014 #22
Awww, harmony Cal Carpenter Jul 2014 #55
I did, too! babylonsister Jul 2014 #18
me too mac56 Jul 2014 #21
that ain't no minor chord. it's a major seventh. nt. navarth Jul 2014 #41
Ok, smarty pants... ReRe Jul 2014 #46
artistic freedom! navarth Jul 2014 #52
Immigration now isn't nearly like immigration between the Civil War and the 30's. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #15
Yes, the immigrants have more melanin. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #23
Simpleminded. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #24
If you think the country is no longer empty, jeff47 Jul 2014 #25
HAH. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #27
Not all immigrants have to be farmers. jeff47 Jul 2014 #28
And those cities had jobs for a lot of those people to do. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #29
If you were correct, we would have zero undocumented workers. jeff47 Jul 2014 #30
No but the anti-immigrant arguments are exactly the same. treestar Jul 2014 #31
No Irish Need Apply. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #38
They were Catholic and would not assimilate treestar Jul 2014 #48
Here where I retired in the Midwest (you know the story all too well by now!), IrishAyes Jul 2014 #49
I know, I'll never get a lack of appreciation for what we have here treestar Jul 2014 #53
Since I suffer an inordinate fondness for Oriental rugs, IrishAyes Jul 2014 #54
Great misdirection! cheapdate Jul 2014 #42
Actually if I remember defacto7 Jul 2014 #43
I don't know. My Great-Grandfather came over on a boat from Greece cheapdate Jul 2014 #44
I've heard it all now. cheapdate Jul 2014 #47
Hear, hear! IrishAyes Jul 2014 #50
K&R nt redqueen Jul 2014 #16
Kicked and recommended In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #19
Ah, yes..... the good old days when people asked, "WWAD"? world wide wally Jul 2014 #20
Believe me, coming from a 2nd-gen Irish American with (ahem) Fenian ancestors, IrishAyes Jul 2014 #39
k&r... spanone Jul 2014 #36
DA*N those FRENCH! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #45
Pass me some Freedom Fries! IrishAyes Jul 2014 #51

Response to johnp3907 (Reply #1)

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
35. I admire your ambition; you'll need fortitude because English is the most versatile and
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jul 2014

beautiful language I know, yet its intricacies make it treacherous. I'd wager 85% of native speakers do so under par. May I suggest you begin with punctuation? I realize you're in 'text mode' but that's only appropriate when texting.

Or did you mean French?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. Uhm ...that phrase/plac was removed a while back and sits in a museum.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jul 2014

"She did" truly is past tense.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
6. It was moved to the museum that is inside the statue.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jul 2014

The pedestal went through some reconstruction which required the plaque to be removed and stored until the museum was created.

"Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", is uniquely identified with the Statue of Liberty and is inscribed on a plaque in the museum in its base.[82]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
33. I thought it might have been the Republicans who removed it because ...
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jul 2014

they wanted to make sure their sheeple could still be brainwashed with FOX crap.

Could you imagine what FOX nation would do if they really understood what this plaque meant?

Their heads would figuratively explode.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. This'll tell my age....
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jul 2014

... I sang that song in choir in high school. As soon as I seen your OP with the words, I sang it. The reason I think the tune always hung with me was that it starts out in sort of a minor chord.

evillemike2009

(13 posts)
14. Me too
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jul 2014

I remember it from music class in grade school.



Miss Murphy was a great teacher, but she never got a buncha 5th graders to make it sound that good.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
24. Simpleminded.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jul 2014

100-150 years ago, immigrants came from mostly agrarian societies to not only an agrarian place, but one that was completely unsettled in many places and generally more ready to turn human capital into productivity. In short, there were more places for immigrants to go and prosper on their own. This was critical, because government support of immigrants was very close to zero.

Now we have basically unskilled labor coming across the border to work in an advanced information and service economy that's been settled and in which property rights have been claimed coast to coast.

It's different now. Sorry, them's the facts.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. If you think the country is no longer empty,
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:43 PM
Jul 2014

then it sounds like you haven't spent much time West of the Mississippi, or terribly far inland from the West coast.

This was critical, because government support of immigrants was very close to zero.

Still is. There's lots of government services you can not access with just a basic immigration permit.

Now we have basically unskilled labor coming across the border

Guess what they called the Irish?

to work in an advanced information and service economy

Which still needs basic labor. There's a reason we haven't actually stopped "illegal immigration", despite the Republicans screaming about it. Vast swaths of our economy rely on it for labor.

Remember the stories coming out of Mississippi after the state made it much harder to have undocumented workers? Farmers complained massively about crops rotting in the fields because they couldn't find labor.....well, couldn't find labor willing to work for cheap.

The undocumented are already working here. Might as well make it official instead of pretending we don't need them.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
27. HAH.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jul 2014

Yes, let's give immigrants an acre of land in the desert and wish them luck.

If you think this is the same country it was when people streamed over from Europe 100 years ago, then you
can choose from the following two options to describe where your head is: SAND. YOUR ASS.

I am sorry you don't see that human capital was more fungible back then, but it was.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
28. Not all immigrants have to be farmers.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jul 2014

In fact, virtually none of the immigrants you cite were. Move here and plop down a farm wrapped up in the 1800s, and that "move West and start a farm" tended to not be immigrants - it was their children. Additionally, the vast majority of the people immigrating in the 1870s to 1930s moved into the cities. They weren't starting farms.

I am sorry you don't see that human capital was more fungible back then, but it was.

So those Mississippi farmers don't know how to run their own farms? Or should we reject reality since it doesn't fit your model?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
29. And those cities had jobs for a lot of those people to do.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jul 2014

The same is generally not true today. Nevermind, though.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. If you were correct, we would have zero undocumented workers.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jul 2014

There's enough jobs that millions of people are illegally entering the country in order to take the jobs.

Is the economy booming? Fuck no. But we can absorb these people into the labor market.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
48. They were Catholic and would not assimilate
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jul 2014

they would obey the Pope first. All said of them just like they now claim that the current immigrants are "different" because they "won't assimilate." It's amazing how identical the arguments are.

http://projects.vassar.edu/1896/immigration.html

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
49. Here where I retired in the Midwest (you know the story all too well by now!),
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jul 2014

someone once asked me what I liked best about living in L.A. so many years. I said the cultural diversity and how I could meet people from all over the world even w/o traveling! When I mentioned how people used to have block parties where they brought traditional dishes from their country of origin, listeners flipped out and raged, "They shouldn't do that! They should be like us!" It made me think, why in God's name would they want to do that?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. I know, I'll never get a lack of appreciation for what we have here
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:51 PM
Jul 2014

in the US - so many different cultures to enjoy. It is really our strength.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
54. Since I suffer an inordinate fondness for Oriental rugs,
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jul 2014

I was known to visit those shops on occasion. A major interior design store belonged to a chatty gentleman who'd fled Iran shortly before the Shah. Unfortunately, the best I could do was to buy new wall-2-wall carpet for my condo. Anyway, he told me he always asked his clients why they chose a particular color scheme - mine was a pure plush blue - and I told him it was because I look best in blue. He was stunned and said nobody had ever given him THAT answer before! I've always followed interior design, and that was just my independent conclusion about interior color choices. If I wouldn't wear it, it didn't belong in my house either. Only once, quite recently, did I see that official suggestion in a design forum.

That was another fun thing about L.A. I could find things there that weren't widely available, including fabrics. I've dragged enough of that stuff hither and yon on my moves so that now I don't have to worry about my own house looking like any other, much less in the Midwest. I really prefer oak floors (wall2wall 2nd choice) with the few Oriental rugs I do have, old mahogany, rosewood, or ebony furniture upholstered in Oriental styles, and plain white walls with cloisonne pictures. Except for the Maxfield Parrishes. Well, at least nobody else in the remote areas of the Midwest decorates that way. Certainly not here. They think Victorian painters were all pornographic.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
42. Great misdirection!
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:06 AM
Jul 2014

As if the previous poster either claimed or implied that they thought "...this is the same country it was when people streamed over from Europe 100 years ago".

Obviously, you mean to imply that immigrants of yesteryear were given "an acre of land". My ass.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
43. Actually if I remember
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:13 AM
Jul 2014

it was 640 acres... plus an adjoining 640 acre parcel for each family member who was over 18 and immigrants were on the front line. That was for a period of time to settle western territories. Yeah, free land but at the cost of native Americans. Now I'm not sure whose side I'm taking in this argument.

Someone feel free to correct me.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
44. I don't know. My Great-Grandfather came over on a boat from Greece
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:55 AM
Jul 2014

through Ellis Island in the 1920s and nobody gave him squat. I was responding to "Dreamer Tatum". He was arguing that the country was basically just full-up now, which is preposterous.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
47. I've heard it all now.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:11 AM
Jul 2014

The United States is no longer a place for immigrants because we've run out of empty space: "In short, there were more places for immigrants to go..." as you put it.

Um, there's plenty of room in the United States. There's plenty of rural land and there's plenty of room in the cities.

The United States absorbed waves of immigrants in the 20th century, my mother's family from Greece among them. They didn't fan out into unsettled places and farm the land. The majority settled in cities to work, start businesses, and start families.

All of your arguments that the United States can't easily absorb new immigrants are complete bunk.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
39. Believe me, coming from a 2nd-gen Irish American with (ahem) Fenian ancestors,
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:02 PM
Jul 2014

this is hard to say; but to paraphrase (choke, gag) Churchill, America will always do the right thing after everything else has failed. I hate to admit the SOB was right about anything. Not much else, but credit where credit's due.

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