Anyone else a little suspicious over the mass influx of refugees...as in where did the propaganda

[Drew Richards]

Come from that kids could stay...

This smells like a Rove or The Family dirty trick trying to create a crisis before midterms.

Or perhaps just an additional crisis for President Obama that they can bash him with.

[Gravitycollapse]

1. Hate to break it to you, but this is a crisis.

[Drew Richards]

3. Yes it is a crisis...

[TwilightGardener]

7. It's not. It's a problem to solve, and it will take a while.

[Gravitycollapse]

9. Why are you afraid to call it a crisis? That is exactly what it is.

[TwilightGardener]

15. Massive loss of life, limb and/or property affecting large numbers of Americans is a crisis.

A suddenly collapsing economy is a crisis. Impending war involving the US. Terror attacks. An environmental catastrophe like a nuclear meltdown or a big oil spill. Waves of immigrants showing up at the border hoping to get into the US is a problem.

[Iggo]

21. They're not American.

Oh.

[nomorenomore08]

30. +1

The choice of words is telling, isn't it?

[nomorenomore08]

31. Americans aren't the only human beings who matter. Even if many of us tend to forget that.

And "massive loss of life and limb" seems likely for many of these refugees, if we "send them back" and do nothing else.

[Gravitycollapse]

39. That is certainly a healthy dose of nationalism.

[Dreamer Tatum]

2. OMG.

Thanks for the chuckle.

[Louisiana1976]

4. The kids are refugees and they should be able to stay. And there is a humanitarian

crisis along the border.

[brer cat]

12. +1 nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. One problem with that, apparently, is that the US

has majorly strict limits on how many refugees (or 'asylum seekers' or whatever) are allowed to stay in the country any given year, and even smaller numbers of such assigned to specific parts of the world. I didn't catch the exact numbers, but from south america, the numbers for 2014 were TINY, something like a few thousand, tops.

Which seems sort of ludicrous, when you see countries surrounding Syria or Iraq absorbing MILLIONS of refugees. These far less populous countries will take in millions displaced by violence, but the US will only take a few thousand a year? Oy.

[etherealtruth]

5. Hope and desperation

Many immigrants have come to the US over the ages, based on rumors of a better life

[NutmegYankee]

13. I think instability has increased the numbers.

Some parts of our southern neighbor have turned into lawless warlord strongholds. I just hope we do the right thing and allow the children to stay. Imagine how hard it must be for a parent to send their child away knowing not when they might see them again for their safety. It's an ultimate act of love.

[etherealtruth]

18. Yes ... there is so much desperation

I can't even imagine having to send a child away ... and ... I can't imagine not sending a child away, if there was a chance for a safer , better life.

Like you, I hope we (the US) do the right thing, but I have grown so disillusioned I doubt we will

[NutmegYankee]

20. Watching people block children from passing through destroyed my optimism on the topic.

The last time we saw a sight like that was in the 1960s.

[etherealtruth]

22. Did you hear some of the hateful screeds ...

... from some of the protestors? It was sickening!

[NutmegYankee]

23. I only read articles.

Haven't had any time for TV this week.

[truebluegreen]

37. FYI, "our southern neighbor" is Mexico.

The children are coming through Mexico, not from Mexico--in fact, if they were from Mexico, they would be turned right around and sent back. Instead, they are coming from (the current murder capitols of the world) Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador and as such are entitled to "due process" re refugee status.

I too hope we allow them to stay.

[Drew Richards]

6. I agree with everything you are all saying but it has been reported that these countries have been

Told that children can come and stay....not all peoples just the children this just seems strange to me.

[femmocrat]

11. Could it be a misinterpretation of the Dream Act?

Although I would not put it past Rove to do something nefarious.

[Iggo]

26. I think that may be exactly what it is.

How many talking heads went on TV to say that the Dream Act was a green light to send your children to the USA?

[misterhighwasted]

14. Yes. In a "He Who Smelt It Dealt It" sort of way.

Yes, suspicious considering the source. GOP Congress refused to pass comprehensive for an entire year, or fund the President's supplemental to address this sudden issue.

Meanwhile, as Congress sits on funding matters, a sudden surge of young people from Central America gets transported to our border, like never before.

Who really IS behind the propaganda, and as I am damned near convinced, who wants to lay every crisis at the feet of President Obama? Even if they have to manufacture it themselves.

They hold up funds, a mass exodus occurs at our border, & Perry & the GOP says Obama plots a conspiracy to bring in masses of refugees..
I see a pattern here with the GOP.

I think that He who smelt it dealt it.

just sayin'

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. How does it benefit the Republicans though

They've already deep-sixed immigration reform and now they want to bash immigrants more. That's probably not going to help them much in the long-term.

[Drew Richards]

16. Ahh but you now you're ascribing intelligence to people known not to think things through :)

[Proud Liberal Dem]

36. We here at DU have such a problem with this, don't we?

[kimbutgar]

10. They say the media was reporting it was ok to come to America

Who's to say the right wing backers ,didn't pass out fliers in Central America to create this crisis? That said I am still suspicious about Beneghazi was set up for Rmoney to use. I would put nothing past these right wing cretins nowadays.

[herding cats]

28. That wasn't really factual as it turns out.

Don't Blame Central American Newspapers For Influx Of Undocumented Children

A new conservative talking point holds that Central American newspapers are inaccurately reporting on U.S. immigration policy, thereby creating a stampede of undocumented minors over the U.S.-Mexico border. But an examination of those newspapers shows the picture is more complicated than that.

The number of unaccompanied minors apprehended while crossing illegally into the country has shot up from less than 7,000 in 2011 to an estimated 70,000 for the current year, according to the Department of Health and Human Services -- with most of them coming from Central America.

Prominent conservatives, including Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), are blaming that surge on President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, which allows many undocumented immigrants who arrived here as children to avoid deportation for a renewable two-year period.

<>

A Huffington Post review of Spanish-language and Latin American news reports found that while the region's newspapers often failed to emphasize the June 2012 cutoff date, they otherwise covered DACA accurately and included enough detail about the program to raise serious doubts that newly arrived migrants would be eligible.

Moreover, HuffPost found, Central American news media routinely portray Obama as tough on immigration, instead of creating the sense that the administration welcomes the undocumented.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/12/central-america-daca_n_5488329.html

If anyone is saying those things it's the Coyotes who make the money transporting these children.

[HooptieWagon]

33. I agree, it's probably the Coyotes spreading the false story.

Most likely, the villages where they spread it don't have newspapers, tv, etc. to get the true story. And the Coyotes are just looking to make money... once the kids are delivered to the border, they don't care what happens.

[malaise]

17. Yes but I wondered about Negroponte

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025213746

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. I remember seeing a documentary (CNN maybe?) several years ago

about kids from Central America hopping trains heading through Mexico to come to the U.S. I remember seeing the tops of the train cars coated with children, some of them who doze off and fall to their deaths from moving trains in the night. I think this problem with unaccompanied children has been ongoing for some few years. But maybe it's recently got worse? I doubt Rove has anything to do with this one. Petty slimeball smears are more his game.

[malaise]

24. It's been going on since Bush signed the bill into law in 2008

but what is happening recently is different.

[Starry Messenger]

25. Whut?

[FreakinDJ]

27. Rove and GOP are not behind it and the Dis-information is real

These countries have corruption and a Wealthy Ruling Elite that make Rove and the worst of Wall St pale in comparison

Yes its horrible down there. They won't allow schools for the children to educate themselve.

But we allow this to continue through Free Trade Agreements that ignore the plight of the peasent class workers

[wandy]

32. To a large extent the crisis was already happening.........

It's just that recent events took some of the punch out of Benghazi, the IRS scandal wasn't doing as well as expected, the POW exchange might have been hot for a while but it fizzled and the Obama lawsuit was starting to look like they really stepped in it.

Have to keep the base stirred up so it was time to make a big thing out of the disease ridden, non English speaking, democrat voting, terrorist little brown children.

Isn't anything all that new.
Just political gain trumping humanity.
Again.

[bradla]

34. Yes

I am going to be laughing my ass off at all of the complainers on this board and general public when Obama walks away from the presidency with a sub 5% unemployment rating. There is no housing bubble today or a .com bubble. Eventually the American people will wake up and realize that he has done a remarkable job turning around the economy. Please spare me the inequality and shadow stats BS.

[HooptieWagon]

35. Not quite.

Yes, there have been unaccompanied minors crossing the border for years. But the economic situation and violence in Central America has greatly worsened the past few years, and the number of kids has soared to about 10 times as many, overwhelming the the programs currently in place to deal with them.

[wandy]

41. Most true. True also is that the loudest GOP clamor only started after some of their other.......

"red meat" had spoiled.
This is by far not the worst problem this country has faced.
I guess I ask too much to think the GOP might work towards an answer.
Honestly I'm surprised they haven't demanded that they be just left to wonder around the desert.

[FSogol]

38. I've suggested it a few times in threads. Where is the investagtive reporting on the causes?

I suspect the Koch Brothers. The timing is too coincidental, imo.

[chowder66]

40. Humanitarian Crisis due to growing violence

snip....

"But administration officials, custodians of a tenacious deportation policy, deserve credit for recognizing that this is not a border-security crisis but a humanitarian one, fueled by growing violence and instability in the countries feeding the influx: Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.

The United Nations high commissioner for refugees issued an alarming paper last month affirming what The Times and other news organizations, notably the magazine Mother Jones, have also reported: that spiraling criminal violence and fear of gangs have sent thousands, including many more younger children and girls, on a desperate journey."


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/05/opinion/children-on-the-run.html?_r=0

[Vattel]

42. Unaccompanied children from central america can stay for a while

if they have family in the US. That is why many of them don't even try to escape INS patrols. They are detained but the law then requires a search for relatives who, if found in the US, are allowed to keep the child in question with them in the US pending an immigration court appearance to decide their status. The order to appear in court is sometimes described as a "permiso" because prior to the court date it does entitle them to stay in the US. Because of the backlog of cases, the time between receiving the court order and the court appearance can be months, and there is no guarantee that the child will appear in court.

[MiniMe]

43. It's an election year, the repubs are throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks

[CreekDog]

44. trying to build credibility with us?

you know we have no love for Rove, but most of us don't think he's capable of orchestrating 50,000+ people from Central America to the USA.

[840high]

45. ....