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What's the deal with this shirt West Virginia? (Original Post) Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 OP
I am sure it is to ensure that folks don't yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #1
Lincoln's condition for allowing the formation of WV Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 #8
West Virginia didn't secede from the US. Was formally admitted to the Union as a state in 1863. pinto Jul 2014 #2
That's what I read Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 #9
Yes, it's when they became their own state BainsBane Jul 2014 #22
Strikes me as pro-union (i.e. anti-confederacy) (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #3
That's what I get out of it, too. n/t bluedigger Jul 2014 #7
It's surprising eyeofnewt Jul 2014 #4
How have I missed these ignorant people all my life? Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 #11
There are ignorant people all over the U.S. Jenoch Jul 2014 #13
the upper peninsula of MI isn't all that far from Minnesota dsc Jul 2014 #16
You seem to have missed my point. Jenoch Jul 2014 #28
It can be confusing. johnp3907 Jul 2014 #24
John Denver wasn't helpful either Cirque du So-What Jul 2014 #5
I'm not familiar with the geography of that area, Brigid Jul 2014 #10
I don't know where the two of you are getting that nonsense... Johnyawl Jul 2014 #18
Maybe instead of "Shenandoah River" he should have sang "New River." BKH70041 Jul 2014 #12
The Shenandoah River Go Vols Jul 2014 #15
Barely. BKH70041 Jul 2014 #25
West Virginia just made it the official state song Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 #20
On June 20, 1863, Brigid Jul 2014 #6
Life is old there DirkGently Jul 2014 #14
When I was much younger SheilaT Jul 2014 #17
Yep, I heard that as well Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 #19
Maybe because even in the metro area we get confused with the wacko VA GOV and their Drew Richards Jul 2014 #21
The wacko VA governor finished his term of office jmowreader Jul 2014 #26
It actually happens a lot. ohheckyeah Jul 2014 #23
Honestly the politics behind the split is very interesting. Kurska Jul 2014 #27
Probably the same amount of times whistler162 Jul 2014 #29
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I am sure it is to ensure that folks don't
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jul 2014

Think they are from Virginia. Also it could be when they broke off from Virginia. Not everything is about slavery.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Lincoln's condition for allowing the formation of WV
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

was that the abolition of slavery (gradual) be inserted into the the new state's constitution, so yeah, it was about slavery on the legal side.

Having family from WV and having lived in VA for quite a part of my early life I was never aware of any confusion between Virginians and West Virginians.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
2. West Virginia didn't secede from the US. Was formally admitted to the Union as a state in 1863.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jul 2014

More accurately, I guess - it seceded from the Confederacy and sought US state status.

BainsBane

(53,333 posts)
22. Yes, it's when they became their own state
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jul 2014

so as not to be part of the confederacy. It's not a bad thing to boast about.

eyeofnewt

(146 posts)
4. It's surprising
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jul 2014

how many people don't know that WV is a separate state - when you say "I'm from WV" people will often say "I've been there, to Virginia" "Did you live in Richmond", totally missing the West part. I think the shirt is just saying "we're a state! Since 1863!"

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. How have I missed these ignorant people all my life?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jul 2014


Seriously, never ran into it. My father was born in Mayberry WV, and I have cousins in Mullens, WV, and I grew up in Waynesboro, VA.

I guess I need to hand with people outside the South to find this cluelessness.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
13. There are ignorant people all over the U.S.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jul 2014

I remember talking with somebody in Las Vegas one time. She was from Boston. When I mentioned I was from Minnesota she said "Oh, that's near Michigan, isn't it?"

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
28. You seem to have missed my point.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jul 2014

New Jersey and Virginia are the same disance as the closest point between Minnesota and Michigan. Anyone who qould get them confused is also ignorant.

Cirque du So-What

(26,445 posts)
5. John Denver wasn't helpful either
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jul 2014

Supposedly, in his song Country Roads, the 'west Virginia' refers to the western part of Virginia - not the state of West Virginia.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
10. I'm not familiar with the geography of that area,
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jul 2014

but I hear John Denver didn't get it right. Love the song, but it isn't accurate.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
18. I don't know where the two of you are getting that nonsense...
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jul 2014

...maybe something Virginia is spreading to claim the song as theirs.

Lets examine the lyrics.
First line, first verse:
"Almost heaven, West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River." The Blue Ridge Mountains are in both Virginia and West Virginia, and the Shenandoah flows through both states, so that line could be about either state.

First line, second verse:
"All my memories gather round her, miner's lady, stranger to blue water." Miner's lady? Stranger to Blue water? (I assume you know what Blue Water is). That line is definitely NOT about Virginia.

The song is about West Virginia, and the would be thieves in Virginia can kiss my ass.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
25. Barely.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jul 2014

I should have explained further considering....

Most people who know the area associate the Shenandoah with VA, not WV. That's all I was saying. The New River is better known as being in WV, although WV residents might prefer the Greenbrier River, the Elk River, or some other river associated with the State.

BTW have you ever gone to the New River Gorge Bridge when they do the parachute jumping there? Quite a site to see.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. When I was much younger
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jul 2014

people from West Virginia typically said, "West, by God." Frankly, that was sufficient to distinguish the two.

Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
21. Maybe because even in the metro area we get confused with the wacko VA GOV and their
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jul 2014

Ass backwards laws against woman.

jmowreader

(50,825 posts)
26. The wacko VA governor finished his term of office
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 03:47 PM
Jul 2014

His next term, in the Governor's Suite at the luxurious Sussex I State Prison, should be starting in just a few months.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
23. It actually happens a lot.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jul 2014

I live in southwest Virginia and that often gets turned into West Virginia.

Virginia and West Virginia have a long standing rivalry.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
27. Honestly the politics behind the split is very interesting.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jul 2014

Economics was really the driving factor. The eastern part of Virginia had all the good farmland, raised the tobacco and thus needed/could afford slave labor (slaves were very expensive, out of the reach of most poor farmers).

West Virginia was the western badlands tucked between mountain ranges. There were no good cash crops that would grow there, hence no real use for slave labor.

Western subsistence farmers didn't want to die so the rich eastern planters could keep their slaves.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
29. Probably the same amount of times
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jul 2014

the area north of NYC and south of Albany gets referred to as Upstate New York... ie... constantly.

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