You may be an Israel Supporter, but you really think that US aid to Israel should continue ?

[Joel thakkar]

After Afghanistan, Israel is then 2nd country to get most foreign aid.

You may say that Israel has a right to defend its own country and also argue that hamas is using civilians as cover-up against Israeli attacks but i hope you also agree that US military aid to Israel should stop.

Also, while we are on that how about stopping military aid to every country ?


Note : One of the posted said that iron dome expansion was funded by US govt. I am not against iron dome and it great defence system to save lives in the war. The only thing is that Israel should be able to fund it's defence program from its own budget and not US budget.

[reddread]

1. they should be able to make their own money, they have great middle man skills

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin7.html

and entrepreneurial abilities

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

i guess I could go on and on, sort of like our support for this ally does.

[COLGATE4]

2. Yep. I hear that lots of 'them' are also

usurious moneylenders.

[reddread]

3. got a link?

[ieoeja]

10. Glad I'm not the only one who caught how close to that this was. Yet a Jury let the comment stand.

To Juror #7 I have to ask, how is racist bigotry not a violation of TOS?

Blatant bigotry. Linking to a site, Consortium, that has dozens of articles about Zionist conspiracy is hide worthy to say the least. We do not support Zionist CT here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:09 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And The Guardian?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Couldn't work a "Jewish bankers" comment in there?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I thought the comment was sarcastic, however, I'll err on the side of caution here and vote to hide, mostly because of the links.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't see a ToS violation here.

[reddread]

14. lol

[ieoeja]

18. You got away with racial stereotyping. Gloating only calls more attention to it. Keep it up! n/t

[reddread]

21. like hell

you may see everything in those stark stereotypes
i made historical points which
some would rather not discuss.
im about as racist as it gets , and this kind of bullshit is why racism is not
on the local agenda.

[davidpdx]

16. I was either juror #2 or #5

I didn't see the alerter's comment and wasn't aware of the first source was bigoted (never heard of the site). Had I been, I would have switched to hide

[ieoeja]

23. My initial reaction was to leave it as a word play on actual actions.

But then I realized it was also anti-semetic stereotyping. One comment might have been a coincidence. With two, I find that difficult to believe.

[COLGATE4]

30. A real shame that a jury found that antisemitic

stereotyping of the worst sort deserved to be left up.

[one_voice]

65. Word play...

(directed at the poster not you)

Bigotry seems to be a theme...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5248565


nastiness

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4897148


forced time out http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=307895

[reddread]

24. google Bob Parry

those who would hide or dismiss him have a Bush agenda to protect.
simple as that.
his worst aspect is he is partial to the Clintons.

[joshcryer]

33. At least it was 3-4.

Bad luck on that jury, probably one or two local anti-semites amongst us.

[reddread]

36. and youre serious.

[joshcryer]

38. "they have great middle man skills"

"and entrepreneurial abilities"

[reddread]

43. perfectly describes the circumstances of those terrorist arming deals Isreal was involved with

That brow beating really has lost its effect over the years, hasnt it?
Is that a Norwegian Parrot?

[reddread]

44. lets talk real racism- South Africa and weapons of mass destruction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

[JI7]

58. pretty sure there are more than 1 or 2

[Rex]

11. The jury sided with you, but just by one vote.

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Blatant bigotry. Linking to a site, Consortium, that has dozens of articles about Zionist conspiracy is hide worthy to say the least. We do not support Zionist CT here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:09 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And The Guardian?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Couldn't work a "Jewish bankers" comment in there?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I thought the comment was sarcastic, however, I'll err on the side of caution here and vote to hide, mostly because of the links.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't see a ToS violation here.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[ieoeja]

20. Apparently racial sterotyping is not a TOS violation. n/t

[reddread]

26. apparently using history to discuss the bad idea of weapons dealing is racist

i did not know this.

[tritsofme]

15. Yep, those JOOOS sure do love money!

Pathetic.

[geardaddy]

52. Nailed it.

[JI7]

59. i'm convinced that even if that had been posted it would probably still have been left up

by a jury.

[tritsofme]

64. Rejecting Hamas propaganda won me my first hide today

after 11 years here. There sure is a lot of stupid on this topic.

[cali]

40. repulsive post. hate is not a sterling quality.

I could go on and on about how disgusting your post is.

[alsame]

4. Revolving door of

$$$ makes it more advantageous to keep the conflict going. There's no money to be made in peace.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/07/17/under-rocket-fire-israel-looks-raytheon-build-more-anti-missile-systems/KziQB3E7zhRqkd6ZqW0R6N/story.html

The Israeli Ministry of Defense is undertaking a final review of a deal with Raytheon for more antimissile batteries. The company is also working with Israeli defense firms on a separate deal for a next-generation shield designed to strike down long-range missiles that may already be in the hands of Hamas as well as the Hezbollah terrorist group in neighboring Lebanon.

Israel built its existing “Iron Dome” defense system with the help of US funding and expertise. The system has succeeded in shooting down most of the rockets that have threatened populated areas, but concern about the continuing threat has led Israel to enlist Raytheon’s help to expand its missile defenses.

<snip>

For Raytheon, the Israeli contracts — part of a “coproduction” deal with Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems — present a potential financial windfall. Much of the work would be done at Raytheon’s Tucson, Ariz., missile systems plant, as well by subcontractors across the country, officials said.

Raytheon’s contracts with Israel would indirectly help the US economy recoup some of the nearly $1 billion in US aid that enabled Israeli designers to develop the Iron Dome system in recent years. The Obama administration requested $175 million for Israel’s Iron Dome in the 2015 budget, and that amount has been doubled by congressional defense committees. The House measure required that much of that money be spent on US components, which is likely to be beneficial to Raytheon.

[Boom Sound 416]

5. They want to buy weapons

I prefer they buy them from us.

just my opinion.

[reddread]

6. and sell them to Iran and South African apartheid (RACIST) governments? NUKES?

great idea.

[Boom Sound 416]

8. 2 points

1. I'm not aware of the Israelis selling weapons to Iran and can't imagine why they would. I don't know about SA. need to educate myself there.

2. If that is the plan. Frankly I'd still rather them buy them from us than another country and turn around and sell them. For a few reasons. 1. It's one of the only industries we haven't totally offshored. 2. Allows us to track the weapons. I'm sure in this digital age their are all kinds of goodies in the 'big guns' that allow for that.

At the end, if someone is going to sell them, I'd rather it be us. I trust us the most. (That's not really saying a whole lot though)

[reddread]

9. what are these weapons used for?

and are you in favor of handgun proliferation?

[Boom Sound 416]

12. Ask me that question the next time

A rocket lands in your neighborhood.

I'm standing by till then.

[reddread]

13. where were you on the 4th?

thats a pretty solid excuse for nuke powers arming terrorist states.

[Boom Sound 416]

17. I was celebrating

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Sorry I don't remember what happened on the 4th offhand.

But happy to discuss.

[reddread]

25. rockets were being lit off all night during the worst drought in history.

I didnt need a gun.

[Boom Sound 416]

28. I'm sorry, I don't understand

[Joel thakkar]

19. is buying weapons same as military aid ?

also if they threaten that they won't buy weapon if we stop their military aid..then so be it....other countries don't put these conditions before buying weapon from us

[Union Scribe]

50. No. I don't think your chart includes arms purchases.

If it did the money totals would be much higher and there would be some countries present that are missing on the aid chart in your OP. I'm not sure if given weapons count as aid, though.
Article on US arms sales $$: http://www.thenation.com/blog/169568/us-sells-three-fourths-worldwide-arms

[conservaphobe]

7. I think helping fund the Iron Dome was money well spent.

If those rockets were actually killing people, the situation would spiral out of control much more quickly.

[Joel thakkar]

22. I am not against iron dome

iron dome is great and actually helping israel save the lives of her citizens..but why can't they build it on their own ? Let them fund from their own budget.

[samsingh]

27. yes, it should continue

[Joel thakkar]

31. and may i ask why ? n/t

[samsingh]

34. because Israel is being attacked by many enemies that want to destroy it

do you recall the words of the President of Iran?

[Joel thakkar]

39. Only 1 Question

Is Israel the dominant country in this war or Palestine ?

I am not saying that start supporting palestine. I am just asking to stay neutral by not favouring any country and not giving any type of military aid to any country.

[samsingh]

48. i think Israel was attacked by rockets first

[Joel thakkar]

49. yes so ?

they do have a right to defend themselves...i am just asking why should they use US money to defend themselves..

[HooptieWagon]

29. All aid to Israel should have stopped in 1967...

... when they deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, killing 34 US Navy seamen and wounding anorfher 170. The NSA has aided Israel in the coverup (that the attack was deliberate).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Israel is not a friend of the US. US support of Israel causes FAR more international embarrassment and foreign policy problems than any benefit. Time to cut our losses, and stop the gravy train.

[Joel thakkar]

32. I think not only to israel

all military aid should be stopped...not a single country...without exception...

[samsingh]

35. you realize that this will allow other nations such as China and Russia

to support governments that support their global interests?

[Joel thakkar]

37. I am not saying to close military relations with other countries

Joint Military practice, joint weapon technology research etc should continue with equal amount of money spent on both sides.

[GeorgeGist]

56. The ooga booga rationale.

Brilliant.

[HooptieWagon]

41. I agree we shouldnt supply arms to Saudis, etc, in ME.

I don't mind working with NATO allies, Aus, NZ, Japan in weapons, aircraft, ships, etc. It makes sense to have them using our equipment (and us theirs in some circumstances) in case we have to fight together.

[Joel thakkar]

45. This may be called weapons/technology exchange

I am all for weapons/technology exchange with countries having democratically elected govt and have a responsible attitude in the past.

However, if you look at the image provided in the op, the top 10 countries are all unstable and doubtful past. Also as they are technologically weak in defence weapons, USA do not get any advantage just to give them billions of dollars of free weapons and tech to them.

[samsingh]

47. don't we sell arms to countries like saudi arabia?

[HooptieWagon]

53. Thats what I addressed in post you responded to.... we shouldn't be.

We don't have any reliable friends in ME, and shouldn't be arming any country there.

[samsingh]

54. okay

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. All of it military according to the chart. Yes. Stop it.

[redqueen]

57. +1

[Xithras]

46. $0 in foreign military aid to ANY nation.

If a situation is really so dire that a nation cannot stand without our aid, then we can use our own armies to help them. Funneling more weapons into the rest of the world simply fuels more conflict.

Israel is not a poor country, and it's home to some of the best weapons designers on the planet. They can defend themselves.

[Union Scribe]

51. +1

It fuels more conflict then the leaders use that as pretext for even more involvement. Awful cycle.

[bigwillq]

62. Good post.

[ChiciB1]

55. NO! All I Have To Say... n/t

[trueblue2007]

60. NO MORE WAR. I SUGGEST USE THE $$ TO RE-BUILD OUR COUNTRY

[bigwillq]

61. The USA needs to stop giving aid to Israel (nt)