Why are such a number of DU'ers so HOT on COLD WAR?

[reddread]

the antipathies being promulgated in advance of the Olympics seemed disproportionate and clumsy in their
timing, anti-homosexual issues aside, the sentiments appeared akin to chopping off a shoplifter's hand.
and this sort of hot blooded militarized response to (questionably derived) things happening within and to foreign countries?
Is that what DU is all about?
WAR?
what happened in the last 14 years?

[MineralMan]

1. I haven't really noticed many who are.

Perhaps this post is out of context, and I can't determine what prompted it.

[The Magistrate]

4. It Is Just A Cheap Agit-Prop Trope, Sir

Any distaste for or opposition to Russian policies or actions is called 'cold war nostalgia' or 'cold war blinkers' or 'cold war reflexes' by people who are often, themselves, stuck in cold war patterns of thought which dictate anyone opposing the U.S. in any sphere must by definition be right, since the United States is the locus of all evil and enemy of that is right and holy and left and progressive, etc.....

[reddread]

7. I wouldnt call lives "cheap"

and thats what military force expends.

[The Magistrate]

9. I Am Not Talking About Lives, Sir, I Am Talking About Words, And Bogus Words To Boot

Nor are you talking about lives, either, not really. You are talking about moral postures, or more precisely, impostures.

[reddread]

12. bogus words abound

cheaper by the pound?
this trope get floated much?

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. Not taking a side on this issue; but ...

damn you have a way with words!

[MineralMan]

8. Ah, I see. I suspected as much.

I didn't really expect an answer from the OP.

Having lived through the entire Cold War era, I can't say I'm at all nostalgic about it. I was born at the end of July, 1945, and was part of the group that dived under desks, saw their parents build fallout shelters, etc. Not nostalgic at all. And yet, I suspect I'd be one of those the OP referenced, somehow.

[reddread]

13. maybe you shouldnt.

you were never on that radar.

[MineralMan]

16. But, you see, you leave it all unsaid as to who is on your "radar."

That makes your OP less than clear. In another post, I asked for links to examples of DUers expressing such fondness for Cold War conditions. If you provide some of those, I'll be able to understand you better. Your OP was unclear, you see.

[reddread]

23. you lead with insults

you leave empty handed.
what did you expect?

[MineralMan]

25. I see. Well, I'll stop waiting for your supporting links, then.

Thanks anyhow.

[LanternWaste]

29. Links to evidence to support your allegations...

"what did you expect?"

Links to evidence which may support your allegations that particular DUers wish to see another war...

[cali]

33. you op and comments are beyond ironic. It's a Joe McCarthy tactic

to accuse "many DUers" as being hot on a new cold war, without providing a shred of evidence. I think all the pre-Olympics stuff was a proxy thing- and had more to do with President Obama and defense against criticism of him than anything else.

[MineralMan]

54. You know, your last word or acronym,

is so far over the top, it's beyond belief. We all know what it means. Please don't do that here.

[reddread]

58. Joe McCarthy?

right.

[MineralMan]

59. No, not Joe McCarthy.

The acronym I'm referring to is GFY. As you used it, its meaning is crystal clear. If you think not spelling it out lessens its impact, you're incorrect. Over the top and beyond, given recent history on DU.

[tammywammy]

60. The post was hidden.

That kind of language is unnecessary.

[MineralMan]

61. Yes, I see that it was. Good.

That was my alert. The poster's transparency page is now displayed, I just discovered. Time for a break, I guess.

[Bobbie Jo]

64. Along with a well-deserved vacation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=307895&sub=trans

[MineralMan]

66. I saw that, but only after the jury results were in.

Looks like the poster will have time to consider posting styles for a while.

[Bobbie Jo]

83. Doubt it....

Not his first time-out.

Like I said down thread, I've seen enough.

[MineralMan]

85. You're probably right. Sad.

[one_voice]

73. Jesus...this hide should get him/her

banned..in my opinion..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5248565



I cannot believe someone voted to leave that.

[William769]

77. I can. he has friends here who feel the same way. nt

[one_voice]

80. I have no..

patience for that kind of shit.

For you

[William769]

82. Thank you my dear friend.

[Bobbie Jo]

81. Yeah

I've seen enough.

[ieoeja]

74. A flaw with automatic vacations.

I resisted pointing out that this poster was making great headway in getting PPR'ed because people tend to take that as a threat instead of friendly warning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025251017#post18

I suspect the vacation just saved this poster from flaming out. The poster was on a roll today.

[Hekate]

27. When I see MinMan and The Mag both weigh in....

What can I say but thanks for clarifying the mysterious OP.

Nostalgia for the Cold War my foot. Like you I dived beneath my little desk on command. It was not any fun.

[MineralMan]

30. No, it was not any fun at all.

International relations are, and have been, difficult for a very long time. I expect that they will continue to be so in the foreseeable future, as well.

I still believe the US should not be involved with any meddling in the Middle East, nor should any other world powers. I do not expect, though, that my opinion about that will prevail. So, I'll focus on other issues.

[greatauntoftriplets]

35. I was under the desk hiding with you!

During the Cuban missile crisis, the nuns at school were hanging crepe and telling us to be in a state of grace because we were about to DIE!!! Then I went home and my mother was threatening to drink all the booze in the house so it didn't go to waste. I have absolutely no wish to return to those days.

[Hekate]

63. We have no wish to return to it -- but we recognize it when we see the signs, I think. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

65. I think we do.

Not happy about it, but there it is.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC.

Works every time.

[reddread]

5. I just want to know who and what gets that erection

and why here?
USA! USA! USA?

[MineralMan]

14. Again, I'm not seeing those people on DU.

Perhaps you could provide links to some examples. You seem to have recognized such sentiments here, and I'd like to see whether your recognition is accurate or not.

I'll wait for links. I'm just not seeing nostalgia for the Cold War on DU.

[reddread]

15. do a site google for "putin" or any of the terms around that fellow

im certainly not defending any nation or politician.
but it is interesting to see the response here, and respondents.
very.

[MineralMan]

17. Actually, you are the one posting the premise.

I'll let you do the search and provide links to examples. Your premise; your data, please.

Putin is the head of a major country. His approach to things is his approach to things. I disagree strongly with his approach on many issues, particularly social justice issues. I will admit that colors my view of him, overall, frankly.

[reddread]

21. well, if you havent seen it yet, you probably wont.

not chasing any links for you, and please dont leave any for me.

[uppityperson]

3. what? eom

[Boom Sound 416]

6. Promulgated

I thought was a juice berry.

[OKNancy]

10. many of us do not put "anti-homosexual issues aside"

Plus being anti-Putin and his propaganda does not mean a return to the cold war. It means we can't stand Putin and his actions.

[reddread]

18. well, surely you have heard

Im a racist, anti-semite with strong feelings about homosexual rights.
oh wait, maybe Im just a feminist.
waiting to be played by the next sympathy trope, as the troops move in to make the place safe.

[OKNancy]

26. oh good grief...

I feel sorry for you.

[William769]

38. I will not argue with you on how you just described yourself. You are spot on with that.

Putin can go fuck himself and so can any asshole who supports him. Especially when they try to justify what he has done to the LGBT community in Russia.

Khrushchev prediction "“We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!

“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”". Boy was that Communist pig wrong. So wrong in fact they destroyed themselves from within. Guess what? Putin is on the same track.

Gay rights are Human rights, and since communism didn't give a shit about human rights, they damn sure didn't give a shit about Gay rights. Putin is Ex KGB and he is the one who yearns for the days of the old soviet union, not us. But to be honest, I hope he gets his wish. Because as the with this asshole along with all the other communist ass holes they will fail once again.

Gay rights are human rights, they are here to stay and they will be sweeping all Countries because at some point the people of the world will finally rise up and say enough is enough.

Many people hate Russia right now because Russia needs to be hated. they are Bullying LGBT people, arresting them harassing them basically throwing them to the wolves (or in this case people that have nothing better to do because they live in a shit country run by a shitty man. Russia also is showing it's bullying with Ukraine and failing miserably in the public opinion. No matter what the fucking Putinista's say, the world isn't buying it, just like people here on DU are not buying what you are trying to sell.

I have said it before and I will say it again, all the propaganda in the world is not going to change the minds of people of the bullshit Russia is pulling.

And with that said,

Have a nice fucking day.

[OKNancy]

39. Good post!!

and if that airliner really was shot down by the Russian-backed Ukrainian rebels - uh oh.

Side note: our favorite news source ( not) rt.com is posting graphic pictures of dead bodies. Accidentally saw it on twitter.

[greatauntoftriplets]

43. Well said!

[tammywammy]

47. Excellent post. n/t

[joshcryer]

49. Boom.

[Trajan]

55. +1,000,000

This OP is an outrage ...

What a cesspool ...

[one_voice]

62. ^^^This 100000000%^^^^

[Bobbie Jo]

84. Slam Dunk

[William769]

86. Thanks, I have been along with many other's, slam dunking these people.

[betterdemsonly]

11. The socalled centrists want to save a seat for their neocons friends

They lost their seat at the republican kiddy table when Cantor lost.

[betterdemsonly]

19. Hillary is more or less openly embrasing cold war nostalgia

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025251239

I think Putin demonization is a symptom, not the disease.

[reddread]

22. yes, it is symptomatic of something terminal

peace doesnt stand a chance, and the peace symbol being sported by most Americans
is simply a swastika.

[sabrina 1]

31. Peace doesn't provide obscene profits for the MIC. We need 'enemies' for that.

Terror seems to be wearing thin, so why not go back to an old enemy? Makes sense to me!

Regarding the war machine I mean.

[JEB]

69. +1000

Sad but I fear all too true. Definite bandwagon.

[woo me with science]

90. This is the correct answer.

[Chan790]

36. If peace means turning a blind eye to tyranny and oppression...

peace deserves the grave. That is no world anybody should strive to live in.

Of course, you're abusing the very concept of peace to backstop your own oppressions and it means nothing of the sort. The sort of peace you embrace is the peace of Neville Chamberlain and it leads only to larger conflicts later, the results of despots knowing they can take and tyrannize while you turn a nose up at any notion of stopping them.

Peace has nothing to do with this situation.

Vladimir Putin is a violent militarist with a goal towards the expansion of the Russian sphere of influence and the oppression of his enemies within that sphere of influence. One can fully embrace peace and still think Putin needs to be opposed and thwarted for the good of a less-violent world and free people everywhere.

[betterdemsonly]

53. Yes Mr Cheney!

Every move toward peace is comparable to Neville Chamberlain.

[Chan790]

76. No, but this one certainly is.

Putin's a rat bastard. He has a long history of being a tyrant and looking westward to see if he's going to to get slapped for it...and every time we don't say anything or sanction or outright tell him that continuing on that course will lead to conflict, he takes it as permission to go further.

That's directly comparable to Chamberlain's non-action and appeasement; the results will likely be the same. I'm not arguing for war...but I am arguing that the US stance needs to be that no outcome except complete Russian withdrawal from Ukraine will be permissible if they don't want sanctions to continue and they don't want us to aggressively pursue NATO expansion. The opportunity to even keep the Crimean went out the window when they didn't stop there and started arming rebels in the East.

[betterdemsonly]

79. Nato expansion was in the works long before this event.

To expect Russia to give up its access to the atlantic is really insane and bizarre, and neoconish.

[sabrina 1]

70. Yes, we know, peace means, to paraphrase George Bush regarding the DP 'we have to kill them to stop

the killing' and then he proved he really wasn't kidding by lying this country into a devastating, tragic war.

So where is the peace brought by our militarism over the past decade? I'd love to see just a glimmer of peace anywhere we've bombed them into 'democracy'?

Wait, you weren't talking about the US 'democratization with our humanitarian WMDS.

Sorry, but you'll have to forgive us for thinking US when anyone talks about 'militarism' in recent times.

[JEB]

72. The USA has an inclediblely large blind eye

when it comes tyranny and aggression. It chooses to see a very select few and for very specific reasons.

[MohRokTah]

20. .

[stevenleser]

24. Links to what you are talking about or it didn't happen. nt

[mylye2222]

28. We live in a decisive turn of the world.

I think more abd more that a global war may occur...as the Asian and Gulf nations are more and more rich...and the Western world is slowly embracing the new Third world status...

[Tetris_Iguana]

32. Yep

War will follow as eastern nations scramble for western scraps.

We live in interesting times, indeed.

[NCTraveler]

34. "Is that what DU is all about? "

Not to most of us. Seems you have been corrected very quickly with respect to your op.

Why are such a number of DU'ers........ You could damn near cover every base starting a statement with that while never actually saying anything. As you have done here.

[leftstreet]

37. Don't see it on DU, but it's returning in movies, tv

Russians as bad guys

Jack Reacher
Jack Ryan
Tinker Tailor
that recent Die Hard movie

a tv series, name escapes me

[mylye2222]

40. yes. Old ugly paradigms coming back

The old Russian ennemy to US.
And in France rises again germanophobia...baded of their relative prosperitys jealousy.

[conservaphobe]

41. Fuck Putin.

I'm not sorry that I loathe Vladimir Putin.

[Bluenorthwest]

42. Those of you who seek to defend authoritarian bigot Putin like to say 'aside from the bigotry'

as if that makes it ok to defend bigoted hate against minority groups. It's just a handful of you on DU, the folks who love Putin more than their own LGBT fellow citizens.
'anti homosexual issues aside'. Why? Why should anyone put hateful ignorant bigotry 'aside' to serve you? Why?
I say put bigotry front and center where it can been seen and where those who dismiss it can be seen making excuses for it. The same old handful on DU....Let them be seen for what they are.

[reddread]

46. Putin and Warren, the two biggest threats to civilization?

nobody is defending bigotry. Some are putting their own issues FAR and above the
realities of oppression.
if hate were cancer, where would you be?

[conservaphobe]

51. +1,000,000

[Jamastiene]

45. You almost had agreement from me, until...

you said, "anti-homosexual issues aside." There is just no way. No way. Gay people all over the world are facing more severe threats to our lives JUST for being gay than ever before. I am not pro war, but no, I won't put "anti-homosexual issues aside." Ever.

[reddread]

48. if you cant take the proviso, I understand

the way that issue was exploited reminds me precisely how Burqas were the latest and greatest menace to peace and freedom.
until we achieved the real goals. WHich, coincidentally will include keeping women in their place, and executing homosexuals.

[betterdemsonly]

50. I won't put those issues aside in my own country

but I am deeply distrustful of using those issues to stoke war. If you recall one of our justifications for the Iraq war was to fight islamic fundamentalism and help women in those countries, but what we did was enable islamic fundamentalists. Now women in many parts of Iraq must wear hajibs, where as they didn't have to before. Furthermore, the fascist in the current Ukrainian regime are no friend to homosexuals.

Neocons often manipulate liberals to their own illiberal ends.

[Nye Bevan]

52. I've seen a lot of DUers disgusted about Putin's anti-gay antics.

But I haven't seen any DUers advocating war. Certainly none on the first few pages of DU today. (Perhaps these alleged pro-war DUers have all deleted their posts in response to your OP).

[betterdemsonly]

56. The cold war was not a direct war with the Soviets

it was a proxy war fought in many cold war countries like Viet Nam and Nicaragua.

I don't believe democratic neocons really care about his anti-homosexual demagoguery, otherwise they would go after the Ukrainian opposition too, not to mention our Saudi allies who actually put gays to death.

They are really pissed he stopped their attempts to get us into another war in Syria, so they moved their proxy war to the Ukraine.

[Jamastiene]

57. I haven't see that either.

I have only seen criticism, most often mild criticism with some more harsh criticism thrown in, not any declarations of war on Russia. Some people on DU seem to think that any kind of criticism of Putin, no matter what he does, is bad. I've got news. He needs to be criticized for a lot of his policies. Sitting around being all quiet about it isn't going to change any of it. Silence is consent.

[ellenfl]

67. a cold war won't cost lives and will keep the mic strong. that's the desired status. eom

[betterdemsonly]

71. It is naive to say it won't cost lives

Did no one die in Viet Nam, or El Salvador or Korea?

[ellenfl]

87. those weren't cold wars. how many died in combat with the ussr? eom

[betterdemsonly]

88. The cold war was a war against communism not just the USSR

Those were cold war hot spots. They also warred against social democrats in Latin America and still do. That is why Allende and Zalaya were overthrown.

[get the red out]

68. War doesn't achieve anything positive

I certainly am against it.

[haele]

78. Short attention span and Drift. Get'er Done/Just Do It sold to us over the past 30 years.

War is now a video-game concept for most people. Only a few of the chosen people will be sacrificed for Glory, don'tchaknow? And their deaths will be conveniently run up the flag pole whenever someone wants to prove how patriotic they are.
Everyone else - especially those dark people or foreigners - is disposable.

Those of us who lived through the Cold War and still have active or working grey matter remember the nasty meat-grinder of blow-back after blow-back we were constantly sending our young men and national wealth into for the 50 years it was waged.

Wait. This is just as much an accident as the Iranian Airliner shoot down in 1988, no matter who pushed the button on it. Let's not turn it into Sarajevo, 1914, please? please....

July is such a sucky month.

Haele

[GeorgeGist]

89. I lived through the cold war ...

and I felt safer then.

[woo me with science]

91. Because there is a very busy Third Way propaganda machine here,

and the MIC needs reasons to warmonger.