295 innocent lives lost is all that is confirmed. Can we a take a break for an hour or so to mourn?

[Fred Sanders]

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Can we begin the hate speculation later? Leave that to the usual haters.

DU should be a sanctuary from hate, only reason I try to stay here is because hate is recognized and hated.

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EDIT: (after the hour) - The speculators and media armchair assassins should read this:

"Fox News host Greta Van Susteren sharply criticized Fox News correspondent Todd Starnes for "very bad taste" over tweeting petty attacks on the president in response to the deadly crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.

Starnes has tweeted that Obama isn't "interested" in the crash because it doesn't involve "beer or golf," "Russia bracing for a severe hash tag from the Obama Administration," and "Obama won't comment on Malaysian jetliner crash until he's had a chance to read tomorrow's paper."

In a post on her blog headlined, "NOTE TO FNC's TODD STARNES: THIS IS VERY BAD TASTE, 295 PEOPLE DIED," Van Susteren wrote: "I was just sent a Mediaite article with these tweets on it. I don't know Todd Starnes (he works in NYC), but I do know he works at Fox News Channel and so do I. I don't like his tweets. They are very bad taste. This is not the time to be snarky or some pathetic attempt at humor. Let me repeat... 295 people died."

Fox News host Greta Van Susteren sharply criticized Fox News correspondent Todd Starnes for "very bad taste" over tweeting petty attacks on the president in response to the deadly crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.

Starnes has tweeted that Obama isn't "interested" in the crash because it doesn't involve "beer or golf," "Russia bracing for a severe hash tag from the Obama Administration," and "Obama won't comment on Malaysian jetliner crash until he's had a chance to read tomorrow's paper."

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Let me repeat this for Senator McCain, let me repeat for the hair on fire speculation media......

[mylye2222]

1. May they rest in peace...

[SummerSnow]

2. My condolences to the families of the passengers and crew.

[Bonobo]

3. It's horrible. Absolutely horrible.

May those affected someday soon find some healing.

[Fred Sanders]

5. All I can think of is the lives lost, souls flying in comfort, looking forward to going home.....

The media speculation without barely acknowledging the tragedy is making me ill, like politicizing the refugee children, it is sick and it does not have to be this way.

[HERVEPA]

8. No souls flying anywhere. Sadly, they're just dead.

Can we mourn them without the hocus pocus please.

[cyberswede]

11. I think he meant "souls" as in "people." nt

[AgingAmerican]

54. It is a figure of speech

nt

[get the red out]

60. Can DU go 10 minutes

Without an Atheist attack on the slightest verbiage they disapprove of, answer is NO.

[HERVEPA]

61. By the way, "atheist" does not need to be capitalized.

and can DU go one minute with invisible cloud beings being though of as real. Non-atheists really do have it tough in this country. I so feel for them.

[get the red out]

67. Having it rough in this country

Doesn't justify picking apart someone's verbiage to make sure your ideas are the only ones heard. Sadly this is the way of too many liberal places online. I know that atheists are shit on out in the real world, I am against that. But that shouldn't translate into bullying and correcting people's words here, that's the wrong way to go about maintaining respect, because you are showing no respect.

[sabrina 1]

68. This thread is about the tragic deaths of nearly 300 people.

There are families who have received the worst news a family can get right now. Their lives have changed forever, it's hard to imagine the shock of learning that you have just lost a loved one, perhaps more than one, in a tragic way.

[HERVEPA]

72. True

However, those families are not reading DU right now.

[misswizard1]

73. We've all seen Weird Al's video and don't need spellcheck here

Whether the A in atheist is capitalized or not isn't the point. Being patronizing and condescending regarding others beliefs does not shed a positive light on atheists. Remember, you may be the only atheist they have ever met, so to speak. You sound like a miserable individual. and that just makes me feel for you.

[HERVEPA]

74. Actually, I'm a very happy individidual,

with a good job, retiring soon, and two great kids and two great grandkids, and a good life in general.
But good guess.

[Bonobo]

12. I'm glad I can't see it.

All I can imagine is all the beautiful Malaysian faces I have seen in airports in my years of traveling in Asia. Beautiful friendly people with big hearts who love their families. It is so sad... so sad...

[Fred Sanders]

14. Said to be the friendliest people on the planet....so sad...so sad the speculation barely noting the

human tragedy.

[sabrina 1]

4. I just heard it on the news. Heartbreaking for all those left behind.

RIP to all those innocent victims and peace to their families, although I know that will take a while.

[conservaphobe]

6. The best way to mourn is to punish those responsible. nt

[Fred Sanders]

7. Yes, before we even know if it was an accident or not, let us get the sentencing over with first.

Revenge is always the greatest comfort.....

[HERVEPA]

10. Yes, a plane being shot down is often an accident.

[Fred Sanders]

16. Well, when US navy shot down the Iranian jetliner it was said to be an accident, so turn off the

sarcasm and turn on the light.

[HERVEPA]

18. Stuff it.

[Fred Sanders]

20. You win, because you got angry first, congrats.....

[HERVEPA]

22. Thanks. Congratulations accepted.

[JEB]

70. Any chance to gin up a war with Russia these days.

They are so impatient they can't wait for facts. Plenty of despots around the globe, but for some reason Putin is their one and only target.

[robbob]

43. Who said it was shot down?

Did i miss something? Thread linking to the news story just says it was a plane crash?

[Bonobo]

13. No, it is no comfort at all. It fills no holes.

Only makes more for others.

[tkmorris]

53. What a bleak landscape your world is

[alsame]

9. ..

[ChisolmTrailDem]

15. Humanity is in an era of evolution where our intelligent, logical, and moral tendencies are in

direct conflict with our past as tribal savages.

[barbtries]

17. i wish i could.

but this, this...is bad. not just for those souls, for many. jmo

[cbdo2007]

19. RIP to all of these innocent souls. I wish you well in the afterlife.

[Terra Alta]

21. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims.

[bigtree]

23. tell that to McCain. He's ALREADY blamed Obama for this

. . . I don't know why we need to wait to speak out and condemn that.

[Fred Sanders]

24. McCain is a grifter, only the media props up his idiocy. No problem with pointing out the grifters,

The evidence is already all out there.....Sarah Palin.....

I have turned off the "news" until there is more evidence than the obvious before assigning blame...sorry about that to my friends here.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. John McCain is a United States Senator. Elected by the State of Arizona not 'the media'.

So your notion that he be allowed to do his own politics uncontested because he's a 'grifter' is a service to Republicans.

[Fred Sanders]

28. The internet is a poor place to try to speak clearly, my intent was not as you interpreted it.

And McCain has been elected by the media to speak and shoot first, ask questions later. Facts optional, lies never challenged.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. McCain has been elected by the people of Arizona to the Congress since I was in high school

He's not a media figure nor a media creation, he is a Republican Senator whom you are protecting from criticism.
You are transparent.

[Fred Sanders]

33. Protecting him from criticism? How do you ever get that?

Signed,

Yours Truly Puzzled.

[hrmjustin]

26. May they rest in peace.

[geardaddy]

27. RIP

[awake]

29. My they rest in peace and my all living being live in peace soon

Thank you for you kind posting

[greyl]

30. Good sentiment, but even that is not confirmed. nt

[taught_me_patience]

32. What hate speculation are you talking about?

There is a lot of speculation... that's what happens when there is an incident like this. We want to figure out what happened. Mourning does nothing.

[Politicub]

34. ..

[littlemissmartypants]

35. .

Love, Peace and Shelter.

[perdita9]

36. Mourn the dead, but fight like hell for the living

This tragedy was 100% preventable and unacceptable.

[CherokeeDem]

37. So terribly sad....

.... so many innocent souls lost. May their families find peace in their memories.

[lark]

38. I mourn for any innocents worldwide

who lose their lives due to government or anti-government violence. This includes Palestinians, Syrians, Guatemalans and all the rest.

[Turborama]

39. Thinking about the poor passengers and crew makes me cry.

[Fred Sanders]

40. Who has the time when there is speculation to comfort you and revenge to consider?

[LanternWaste]

56. I imagine it's not very difficult for the rational mind to hold more than one thought simultaneously

I imagine it's not very difficult for the rational mind to hold more than one thought, or the heart to hold more than one emotion simultaneously.

So I'd hazard that one with a normal, functioning mind may rather easily both speculate on, and be saddened by, at the same time.

That one person may be unable to do so is little reason to believe that all are unable to do so...

[AtheistCrusader]

41. .

[Jenoch]

42. Putin really screwed the pooch on this one.

[TBF]

64. The request was for peace

And reflection. Please think about deleting your comment.

[Jenoch]

69. i was four minutes premature.

I didn't see anything about peace in the OP.

[Renew Deal]

44. How do you define hate?

Is hate being used in place of "blame?"

[joshcryer]

45. This particular flight likely a very diverse passenger list.

People from many countries, AU, US, EU (and its countries), Asia, everyone is going to be affected. The time for mourning will be long and arduous.

In the meantime the culprits must be bore out. Trying to shut down discussion about what happened is just shameful.

[Fred Sanders]

46. Trying to shut down discussion....I seem to have failed. Happens every time.

[joshcryer]

47. Good.

Using these victims as a political platform to shut down discussion about why the plane went down is sad.

[Fred Sanders]

49. Speculation is sad. Sad, so sad. Kind of like speculating on motive.

[LanternWaste]

57. Or speculating on an alleged hated in others...?

"Speculation is sad. Sad, so sad. Kind of like speculating on motive."

Or speculating on an alleged hated in other posters...?

[Jenoch]

48. You asked for an hour, time's up.

[Fred Sanders]

50. LOL, got me there. Let it begin, I release DU from my shutting down of discussion disguised as

speculation....go for it.

[TexasTowelie]

65. Yahoo is reporting 23 Americans on board.

http://news.yahoo.com/maylasian-plane-crash-ukraine-russia-153426322.html

A Malaysia Airlines passenger plane was reportedly shot down near the Ukraine-Russia border Thursday killing all 295 people on board, an adviser to Ukraine's interior ministry said.

Both government officials and pro-Russia separatists fighting in the region denied responsibility.

An aide quoted by Interfax said the total number of dead in the crash was more than 300 and includes 23 U.S. citizens, while an Associated Press reporter at the scene reported seeing at least 22 bodies.

In brief comments made in Delaware Thursday afternoon, President Obama said the White House was aware of reports of American fatalities and was working to determine whether there were U.S. citizens on board flight MH17.

[joshcryer]

66. Figured as much.

Apparently this plane came from a very diverse hub and it would have tourists and people traveling abroad. Many different nations are represented by the passenger list, no question about it.

[locks]

51. One thing we know

war does not discriminate between the innocent and the guilty. We have met the enemy and they surely include us.

[KinMd]

52. Why's McCain a foriegn policy"expert"?

graduated near the bottom of his class at Annapolis, and then got shot down. yeah I know about all he went through as a POW, but that's a separate issue. Then he came home, dumped the wife for a younger, richer model ,and got his political future bankrolled.

[Fred Sanders]

55. Because the media considers it fun to give airtime to angry old white men shouting at air?

[JEB]

71. Well at least we can rule out that reverse ace McCain was not the pilot.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. Man, What A Horrible Year for That Country's Airtravel

I'm at work and can't check right now, but i'm guessing that two total loss crashes haven't happened in the same year for a really long time.

Condolences to the families.

[get the red out]

59. I feel horrible for the families

I can only imagine the shock and misery that such a sudden and terrible death of a loved one would cause. Thoughts for them.

[Boom Sound 416]

62. May I suggest a silent thread for all souls lost

[rocktivity]

63. Good idea.

rocktivity